What exactly is the 1/2 life of a popup? And when do you give up? - GoFuckYourself.com

SleazyDream · 12-20-2003, 12:29 AM

ok, popups make money. I won't dispute that.

but what exactly is the 1/2 life of adding an extra popup?

example ( and truly an example - not real numbers)- if someone gets 100 sales without popups, with one popup they'll get an extra 15 sales for 115 total. with 2 popups they'll get 15+ 6 for 121 sales total, with 3 popups they'll get 15+6+3=124 total sales and so on...

At WHAT point to do give up? or do you?

Thoughts............

personally i think anyone doing much more than 2 has absoluty no respect for a surfer, and doesn't know when to give up and move on.

stevecore · 12-20-2003, 12:32 AM

at one point a company i worked for had 8... it drastically affected sales. two is good... first one leading back into your other sites then the second for top affiliates.

smack · 12-20-2003, 12:32 AM

i run only one exit console, i would rather not annoy the shit outta the surfer and ruin them buying anything in the future...

SleazyDream · 12-20-2003, 12:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by stevecore
two is good... first one leading back into your other sites then the second for top affiliates.

JDog · 12-20-2003, 12:34 AM

Yea once you get up to two, quit! I notice that more than 2 will just piss off the surfer!

jDoG

Spunky · 12-20-2003, 12:36 AM

Pop ups suck

Smokey The Bear · 12-20-2003, 12:36 AM

-*- Until the money runs out

I would say about 3 , if you want to go any further put timers in the pages, so they dont popup right away.
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Mutt · 12-20-2003, 12:37 AM

i like the idiots who open up a never ending console hell that the surfer can't get out of without shutting down. That makes alot of sense

guarantee you half these companies haven't even done a valid study on their pop-ups and have no idea past the first two consoles what's going on.

SleazyDream · 12-20-2003, 12:38 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
i like the idiots who open up a never ending console hell that the surfer can't get out of without shutting down. That makes alot of sense

guarantee you half these companies haven't even done a valid study on their pop-ups and have no idea past the first two consoles what's going on.

even worse are the ones that crash your computer.

yep - that takes brains......

Smokey The Bear · 12-20-2003, 12:40 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
i like the idiots who open up a never ending console hell that the surfer can't get out of without shutting down. That makes alot of sense

guarantee you half these companies haven't even done a valid study on their pop-ups and have no idea past the first two consoles what's going on.

-*- WEGcash pops like 15 consoles

SleazyDream · 12-20-2003, 12:42 AM

someone should LIST the urls of the major paysites out there and the number of popups you get from their top programs.

I'll start.

Adult Friend Finder - ZERO.

Streamray - Zero

please add to this list

Two MAJOR companies that HAVE a clue.

Mutt · 12-20-2003, 12:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by *Smokey The Bear*

-*- WEGcash pops like 15 consoles

WEGCash are pretty scientific about their business so I am assuming that even that 15th exit console must be bringing in some $$$ or serving some purpose. Maybe they sell those impressions through one of these traffic brokers or something.

Smokey The Bear · 12-20-2003, 12:46 AM

-*- Purecash.com only pops 6 consoles.

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SleazyDream · 12-20-2003, 12:48 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by *Smokey The Bear*
-*- Purecash.com only pops 6 consoles.

<big><big><big><big>ONLY?

stevecore · 12-20-2003, 12:53 AM

maybe the amount of popups are relavent to how much they payout per signup

Vox · 12-20-2003, 12:53 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream
someone should LIST the urls of the major paysites out there and the number of popups you get from their top programs.

I'll start.

Adult Friend Finder - ZERO.
Streamray - Zero

please add to this list

Two MAJOR companies that HAVE a clue.

Braincash

Personally, I pop one full page exit console when the surfers doesn't click anything on my site.

Amputate Your Head · 12-20-2003, 12:54 AM

I block all popups.

Smokey The Bear · 12-20-2003, 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream

<big><big><big><big>ONLY?

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-*- I was being faceteus

No popups is sort of lame. Nastydollars is the best as they have only one or 2 popups and you are FULLY paid for them. Just as with the programs. So you get off-sales.

Mutt · 12-20-2003, 01:00 AM

for a PPS program PureCash is very good with popups, compared to other PPS and even some revshare programs we are angels.
No time delayed shit hiding in the taskbar. Nothing gets opened behind the browser on entrance.

SleazyDream · 12-20-2003, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
for a PPS program PureCash is very good with popups, compared to other PPS and even some revshare programs we are angels.
No time delayed shit hiding in the taskbar. Nothing gets opened behind the browser on entrance.

6 is VERY GOOD??

Hooper · 12-20-2003, 01:07 AM

conversioncash has 1
quickbuck has 4 or 5 i think... but that's if you choose the traditional console option.. if you go with console lite you get 2.

Smokey The Bear · 12-20-2003, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
for a PPS program PureCash is very good with popups, compared to other PPS and even some revshare programs we are angels.
No time delayed shit hiding in the taskbar. Nothing gets opened behind the browser on entrance.

-*- Not saying good or bad just stating the amount

I have never used purcash so i dont know, nice looking sites though. I like a sponsor that allows you to turn off consoles for a reduce paycut or pays you fully for offsales from them.

Cecash has a good method So does nastydollars, Wegcash is ok too.

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SleazyDream · 12-20-2003, 01:09 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Hooper
conversioncash has 1
quickbuck has 4 or 5 i think... but that's if you choose the traditional console option.. if you go with console lite you get 2.

back to my origional question - you're a good one to ask as you guys usually have a clue and know what you're doing

what do you find is the half life of the 4 or 5 consoles you use? do they decrease with each popup? what influenced you to stop at 4/5? money? respect for a surfer? another reason?

just curious....

pornkitten · 12-20-2003, 01:23 AM

I wonder if maybe you get more click thrus but then you have twice the amount of pissed off customers who wont come back. I am going to try without pop ups and then with as an experiment.. I am curious to see

Smokey The Bear · 12-20-2003, 05:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by SleazyDream

back to my origional question - you're a good one to ask as you guys usually have a clue and know what you're doing

what do you find is the half life of the 4 or 5 consoles you use? do they decrease with each popup? what influenced you to stop at 4/5? money? respect for a surfer? another reason?

just curious....

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ravo · 12-20-2003, 07:43 AM

We've found that the returns on anything after the second consoles are pretty negligble.

Agreed, the first console does very well, and the second does ok. But the third (and more) do nothing more than piss off the surfer. The click ratios drop through the floor after 2 consoles.

And, yes, this is based on hard numbers after running console programs for the past 4 years.

slapass · 12-20-2003, 08:28 AM

Lightspeed must agree with the 2 deep theory. Of course they bash the hell out of it. They do
2 on entrance
2 exits main program
2 on exit from the entrance pops.

Topbucks does 1 entrance and 2 exit. I see sales from these now and then so they must be good for me too.

I think i need to add some pop ups to my stuff. For those of us who filter, I normally jsut want them at the tour with no distractions but that is just me.

maxjohan · 12-20-2003, 08:31 AM

Imlive.com - 0 pop ups.

fatbaby · 12-20-2003, 08:32 AM

We do three.. all exit.. nothing on entry....

10% of the traffic is clicking on links on the thrid console....

Hooper · 12-20-2003, 08:45 AM

well it's hard to measure that exactly.

but i'd venture to guess that the 2nd console is half as effective as the first, the 3rd is half as effective as the 2nd and there comes a point, around 4 or 5 where each additional console carries the same value as the previous ones.

Ross · 12-20-2003, 08:45 AM

I don't like pop ups. Well certainly not for all my traffic. Right now I have a redirect for my UK traffic to send them to an SMS messaging thing and its working out really well. I'll keep it for a while longer but not indefinate.

The only other time I have pop ups on my site is when I am feeding some traffic to my other sites.

slapass · 12-20-2003, 09:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by fatbaby
We do three.. all exit.. nothing on entry....

10% of the traffic is clicking on links on the thrid console....

WOW! I don't do 10% on the first one. i need to get my act together.

ravo · 12-20-2003, 03:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slapass

WOW! I don't do 10% on the first one. i need to get my act together.

I agree 10% on the THIRD console, that's good. On average, we get 10% on our second console.

Corona · 12-20-2003, 04:06 PM

I love it when sponsors, like pornkings, have 8 or so on the tours linked from the webmaster area.

Nice!

BlackCrayon · 12-20-2003, 04:18 PM

if i ran a paysite i would use 2 on exit, thats it. i think a list of what pop ups sponsors have is a great idea.

Smokey The Bear · 12-21-2003, 05:23 AM

-*- Bump out of the pit.

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12-20-2003, 12:29 AM	#1
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	What exactly is the 1/2 life of a popup? And when do you give up? ok, popups make money. I won't dispute that. but what exactly is the 1/2 life of adding an extra popup? example ( and truly an example - not real numbers)- if someone gets 100 sales without popups, with one popup they'll get an extra 15 sales for 115 total. with 2 popups they'll get 15+ 6 for 121 sales total, with 3 popups they'll get 15+6+3=124 total sales and so on... At WHAT point to do give up? or do you? Thoughts............ personally i think anyone doing much more than 2 has absoluty no respect for a surfer, and doesn't know when to give up and move on. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

12-20-2003, 12:32 AM	#3
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12-20-2003, 12:34 AM	#5
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12-20-2003, 12:36 AM	#6
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12-20-2003, 12:37 AM	#8
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	i like the idiots who open up a never ending console hell that the surfer can't get out of without shutting down. That makes alot of sense guarantee you half these companies haven't even done a valid study on their pop-ups and have no idea past the first two consoles what's going on. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-20-2003, 12:32 AM	#2
stevecore Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,130	at one point a company i worked for had 8... it drastically affected sales. two is good... first one leading back into your other sites then the second for top affiliates.

12-20-2003, 12:36 AM	#7
Smokey The Bear So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: South Of Heaven™ Posts: 3,880	-*- Until the money runs out I would say about 3 , if you want to go any further put timers in the pages, so they dont popup right away. <p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><br> __________________<br> <table width="420" border="1" bordercolor="yellow" bgcolor="black"><tr><td width="120" height="60" style="cursor:url(http://bestpornhost.com/gfy/crane.ani)"><img src="http://bestpornhost.com/gfy/gfy2.png" alt="I Dont Get Paid For This Bitch !"></td><td bgcolor="red"><center><img src="http://board.gofuckyourself.com/images/on.gif"><a href="http://www.duocash.com" target="_blank" style="color:white">DuoCash - Fuck Visa.</a><img src="http://board.gofuckyourself.com/images/on.gif"><br><a href="http://www.cecash.com" target="_blank" style="color:yellow">CeCash - Trusted Sponsor.</a><br><a href="http://www.nastydollars.com" target="_blank" style="color:lime">NastyDollars - Clean Program.</a><br></td></tr></table>

12-20-2003, 12:42 AM	#11
SleazyDream I'm here for SPORT Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Phone # (401) 285-0696 Posts: 41,470	someone should LIST the urls of the major paysites out there and the number of popups you get from their top programs. I'll start. Adult Friend Finder - ZERO. Streamray - Zero please add to this list Two MAJOR companies that HAVE a clue. __________________ This dog, is dog, a dog, good dog, way dog, to dog, keep dog, an dog, idiot dog, busy dog, for dog, 20 dog, seconds dog! Now read without the word dog.

12-20-2003, 12:46 AM	#13
Smokey The Bear So Fucking Banned Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: South Of Heaven™ Posts: 3,880	-*- Purecash.com only pops 6 consoles. <p><font size="2" face="Verdana, Arial"><br> __________________<br> <table width="420" border="1" bordercolor="yellow" bgcolor="black"><tr><td width="120" height="60" style="cursor:url(http://bestpornhost.com/gfy/crane.ani)"><img src="http://bestpornhost.com/gfy/gfy2.png" alt="I Dont Get Paid For This Bitch !"></td><td bgcolor="red"><center><img src="http://board.gofuckyourself.com/images/on.gif"><a href="http://www.duocash.com" target="_blank" style="color:white">DuoCash - Fuck Visa.</a><img src="http://board.gofuckyourself.com/images/on.gif"><br><a href="http://www.cecash.com" target="_blank" style="color:yellow">CeCash - Trusted Sponsor.</a><br><a href="http://www.nastydollars.com" target="_blank" style="color:lime">NastyDollars - Clean Program.</a><br></td></tr></table>

12-20-2003, 12:53 AM	#15
stevecore Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 6,130	maybe the amount of popups are relavent to how much they payout per signup

12-20-2003, 12:54 AM	#17
Amputate Your Head There can be only one Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Somewhere else Posts: 39,075	I block all popups. __________________ SIG TOO BIG

12-20-2003, 01:00 AM	#19
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	for a PPS program PureCash is very good with popups, compared to other PPS and even some revshare programs we are angels. No time delayed shit hiding in the taskbar. Nothing gets opened behind the browser on entrance. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

12-20-2003, 01:07 AM	#21
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	conversioncash has 1 quickbuck has 4 or 5 i think... but that's if you choose the traditional console option.. if you go with console lite you get 2. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

12-20-2003, 01:23 AM	#24
pornkitten Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 1,412	I wonder if maybe you get more click thrus but then you have twice the amount of pissed off customers who wont come back. I am going to try without pop ups and then with as an experiment.. I am curious to see

12-20-2003, 07:43 AM	#26
ravo Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: Skype: ravo.fpctraffic Posts: 5,444	We've found that the returns on anything after the second consoles are pretty negligble. Agreed, the first console does very well, and the second does ok. But the third (and more) do nothing more than piss off the surfer. The click ratios drop through the floor after 2 consoles. And, yes, this is based on hard numbers after running console programs for the past 4 years. __________________ AdultAdBroker - Buy and Sell Your Flat Rate Banners, Links, Tabs, Pops, Email Clicks and Members' Area Traffic - updated Sept 2025

12-20-2003, 08:28 AM	#27
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,622	Lightspeed must agree with the 2 deep theory. Of course they bash the hell out of it. They do 2 on entrance 2 exits main program 2 on exit from the entrance pops. Topbucks does 1 entrance and 2 exit. I see sales from these now and then so they must be good for me too. I think i need to add some pop ups to my stuff. For those of us who filter, I normally jsut want them at the tour with no distractions but that is just me.

12-20-2003, 08:31 AM	#28
maxjohan Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Sweden Posts: 7,219	Imlive.com - 0 pop ups. __________________ I went from 100 to 313,000 satoshis in 2 days! Lots of daily freerolls...

12-20-2003, 08:32 AM	#29
fatbaby Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 486	We do three.. all exit.. nothing on entry.... 10% of the traffic is clicking on links on the thrid console.... __________________

12-20-2003, 08:45 AM	#30
Hooper Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: A Free America Posts: 2,210	well it's hard to measure that exactly. but i'd venture to guess that the 2nd console is half as effective as the first, the 3rd is half as effective as the 2nd and there comes a point, around 4 or 5 where each additional console carries the same value as the previous ones. __________________ <a href="http://www.adultplatinum.com/"><img src="http://www.adult.com/wmbanners/10dcash-468x60.gif"></a>

12-20-2003, 08:45 AM	#31
Ross Ik ben een aap Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Traffic Force Towers, Canada! Posts: 18,874	I don't like pop ups. Well certainly not for all my traffic. Right now I have a redirect for my UK traffic to send them to an SMS messaging thing and its working out really well. I'll keep it for a while longer but not indefinate. The only other time I have pop ups on my site is when I am feeding some traffic to my other sites.

12-20-2003, 04:06 PM	#34
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12-20-2003, 04:18 PM	#35
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12-21-2003, 05:23 AM	#36
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