You know your girlfriend is half BLACK, right?? She is the daughter of Mr. Commodore himself, LIONEL "FUCKING BIG ASS AFRO" RICHIE!!!

yes, and it's obviously converting very well. which is what it's all about.

That is awesome man :thumbsup If everyone followed your business model the industry wouldn't be in the mess it is in right now.

Does this link work for you guys?

I'm pretty sure they will make someones life miserable, it's not just the money they have it's the **POWER**.

HollyWood Sq.'s

Most people in this thread are hypocrites.

If you had the chance to pull in $30m for a few months work at the end of which you would have your merchant account removed and be depised by the adult industry would you not do it?

Why do you think Scott PB, Atherton, Greg etc had a company WRGAF ltd (Who really gives a fuck).

Do you think they care about 200 joins per day (Quiet)? Fuck no that is pocket change to them. So you dont like their tactics WRGAF.

At the end of this Atherton will be richer and wont give two fucks what you think of him as he will be flying around the world in his private jet laughing his balls off while you continue to be the honest people that you are.

It's a total scam, billing-wise.

You sign up on a non-secure form, a form that was totally broken until over a week after the site was up. I tried and I had to fill it out twice since the fields were in a broken table.

There's no cancel link in the members area or the receipt. Half the links in the members area are no-notification $10 one time charge upgrades.

The terms (only found on the join page) say it's a 30 minute free trial but they bill you $2.95 anyhow. They leave themselves open to charging you a bunch of other 'silver' and 'gold' memberships up to around $200. There is no selection/options to choose which membership you are getting.

Another thing they have on their 'approval' page is a statement saying you will be billed $150 if you charge back. I found that funny enough to screenshot.

When you get into the members area, on an amusing note, the player for the Paris video has a little note that says you have to wait up to 15 minutes since there are 'so many' people in the queue. But the clip plays right away, oops. It was a nice attempt to scam the customer into rebilling though. They even put that the clip is 42 minutes long, right next to the windows media player window that says 2:56 in running time.

I had to find the www.pzest.com site to cancel my membership, which was at the bottom of about 30 pages of terms. And of course I still was billed.

All you need is a person with a clean tax ID and credit history to get a new merchant account, and whatever fees that bank requires.

So scammers like this are allowed to continue, as long as they can find bulletproof hosts and enough relatives to sign up with the banks for them.

- Titus

I would say power not money. Because power yields money, and more.

thank you, captain obvious.

Most people in this thread are easily star-struck. And don't understand how the banks work, or how much effort it actually takes to net 30 million dollars :)

The days of even considering doing that many trial sales a day with a single affiliate-driven site are pretty much over. Anyone who can even show us stats of them doing 100 sales a day with the paris site would shock my socks off.

- Titus

I was getting 100-250 joins a day from that shit, I wish I could charge them 200 a pop, I'd fuckin retire.

The hosting alone must cost a fortune.

To clarify, not THAT program, a honest one.

:1orglaugh

way to go Krome - we were all sitting here debating whether Atherton has any feelings of guilt. Thanks for clearing that up - I was on the fence but now I know.

and no i nor most of the people I know would do what he's done.
i am as envious of Jon Atherton as I am of a wealthy drug dealer.

Did you say 100? Half a dozen ppl in this thread send them 100+ each, daily.

So at least 6 people in this thread make over $3000 a day?

Have them contact me and I'll match payouts, in that case.

ICQ 199346608

That's how confident I am this is more BS than truth.

- Titus

read the court documents I linked to - there are affidavits with info how these criminals get merchant accounts - in this case Lasrado had some mystery man in Europe who processed his transactions when he lost his merchant accounts, Lasrado never met him, had no clue who he was - when Atherton lost all his merchants he went to Lasrado who hooked him up with the mystery man - Atherton was required by the mystery man to put up $250,000 to cover his chargebacks and some other expenses -
even this mystery man according to Lasrado got nervous about doing business with them and stopped replying to his emails - Atherton sued Lasrado for the $250,000 claiming Lasrado stole the money from him and the mystery man never existed. Which is a fucking joke - judge decided against Atherton.

believe me this isn't as simple as Atherton using relatives or patsies to get merchant accounts for him to burn through - there are tens of millions being processed - this is a major operation -

I think my post came out in the wrong way. Was i was trying to say is that over the past 5 plus years people have asked if they (Greg, Scott, Atherton, Shannon etc) give a fuck.

I think people pretty much know the answer.

But then again I am also trying to say that the majority of people would do the same for one month to get the money they have made.

In that case it's only a matter of time. This kind of volume doesn't exactly go under the radar. There are a limited number of places/people in the world who process high risk in that kind of volume. The trail will eventually end, with Atherton knee deep in money and litigation.

Let's hope he doesn't do any more irreparable damage to the rest of us who are using VISA/MC as legitimate money sources.

- Titus

In some cases like for the majority of celeb sites the damage has already been done

This guy brought you the Visa paranoia of Oct. 2002, let's see what he brings us next :1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Out of anyone who has the right to bitch about this i think the number 1 would be HANK (mr. skin). Something like this celeb scam could really hurt him and a few others in the long run. I know He does allot of shows and other marketing but I think is is one of the people with the most to lose. I feel bad for that. I only met him once a few years ago very breifly at a show but he struck me as a good guy. And this could end up sucking ass for him.:2 cents:

Hank isn't the only celeb paysite out there. I know alot of sites that have already had their processing pulled. I think this marks the end for cc processing for celeb sites. Anyone left is living on borrowed time. Doesn't matter if you are a review site, considered "news worthy", etc. The credit card companys are looking for a way to get out of adult and things like this keep giving them reasons to do so.

Visa attitude to group everyone in Adult together is pathetic. Have all accoutants had to have increased payments due to regulation because of Enron and Anderson?

If the Austrailian porn mafia could just be grouped together it would make life alot easier then everyone could just say WRGAF about them.

With those 200 sales a day you don't have to run and hide and watch your back for a long time.
Because those people will get arrested for this scam.

I rather make 3 million a year the honest way without having to worry about many things.

I agree it is unfair to group everyone in adult together but Visa does this because they don't care. They are looking for a way to get out of processing adult all together IMO.

American Express was the first to do this years ago, followed by PayPal. The introduction of charge backs being less than 1% is just another way Visa is putting a nail in the coffin. They are not stupid, they know that it will only take a few people pushing huge numbers to put the overall average over 1% and give them yet another reason to say fuck adult processing.

Now we have the payment processors charging us what 25 bucks per charge back in an attempt to hold on to visa for a bit longer.

Shit falls down hill and picks up speed and in the end the only person that gets fucked is the webmaster.

Perfect example. I had a guy that was a member of my site for about a year and a half. He contacts me via emal and says he didn't know he was being charged that whole time even though he agreed to the terms and conditions when he joined.

I offer a trial then recurring program and everything is very clear on my sites.

So he tries to tell me that he didn't access the site after the trial period even though my logs show that he did.

Now Im not one to argue too much I tried to meet in the middle and offered to refund half the money.

Well guess what I never heard from him again. He went straight to Visa, Visa contacted my cc processor, my processor refunded him everything including the trial amount.

So in the end Visa looks like the good guy, the processor looks like the good guy, buddy has his fucking money back and I get screwed and my cb ratio goes up.

Visa doesn't give a shit about us the make enough from mainstream internet and non internet related sales...

The credit card processors IMO don't give a shit about us and will bend over and take it in the ass if Visa wants them to...

and if the surfer can get something for free they will knowing there is nothing we can do to stop them from getting a refund.

Just my

:2 cents:

I agree with your comments (edited for brevity), but you are missing some bigger points.

I have been around for a long time and have had the opportunity to do business with most of the original participants in this 'industry', and can clearly state, there are those who have made some coin and then there are those that own the treasury that produces that coin (literally banks in some cases).

Until anyone in this thread has exceeded 10mil in yearly or even total earnings since day one, you should keep your opinions closely guarded. People who observe and take notes before running at the mouth still have an open mind and can learn.

This entire thread is derived from assumptions, accusations, slander, and jealousy.

With the latest ISPS rules and regulations, everyone should be more concerned about their own backyard instead of opining about other people's 'perceived' wrong doings. As everyone now has the ability to seal their own fate, whether good or bad.

The bigger point of this thread's topic is I find all too often that when someone feels they should be making big money, and they aren't, they instantly resort to name calling and the instant assumptions that the 'other guy' must be doing something wrong. When in actuality the people who have made money in this business, know the concepts of timing, marketing, foresight, and innovation. When the light is shined, it is not cockroaches that scatter, it is usually an epiphany for those who want to accept it.

This is a generalized statement and not defending any actual or assumed wrong doings by anyone. I have never had the pleasure of meeting Lasrado, Phillips, or Atherton in person. On the same token, I can safely assume no one in this thread would refuse the chat.

Quiet - this obviously was not directed at you. As the day I saw your concept in action (back in '99), it was obvious you were on the right track. Since then, you know you did it right, while others could assume you cheated or sleezed your way into your success. Viewpoints and clarity.

-dd

I concur. These scammers doing it for the quick buck are ruining our reputation and business.

Get back to your tgp. 100 sales an hour easy. That site is/was EVERYWHERE.

Newsflash, nobody will get arrested over this hilton stuff. In fact, nobody will even be sued. I am sure those who are running it, have things set up under more companies than can even imagine, in many countries as well. They are laughing and making millions. Not saying I agree with it, just stating the truth.

hehehe:1orglaugh

I rather be honest and struggling any day than to be a fucking crook.

I was doing way over 100 sales a day, made over 30k with paris hilton SE traffic just in the last half of november.

As did a lot of people. Sit back and learn to smile at these types of posters. We had affiliates pulling 100+ sales a day on completely unrelated niches, using the keyword traffic.

-dd

Please, stop making a fool of yourself. This thread has very interesting posts, I wish we could remove your ignorant comments.

If you had half a clue you would already know who is making the money from this

Over a million a day, not bad.

I see L3 are supporting them?

www.paris.extremexxxfootage.com resolves to 63.215.192.84

OrgName: Level 3 Communications, Inc.
OrgID: LVLT
Address: 1025 Eldorado Blvd.
City: Broomfield
StateProv: CO
PostalCode: 80021
Country: US

NetRange: 63.208.0.0 - 63.215.255.255
CIDR: 63.208.0.0/13

Maybe not L3 directly but they're sure keeping it up

Yes, and why would they take the site down? Which exact laws have been violated?

The only law I can think of is copyright infringement, which would require a request under the DMCA for the content in question to be removed. If the content was not removed in a timely manner then the copyright holders have every right to pursue their legal options. Until that time, the site is not violating any laws.