18 to 26 Year olds...Draft Is A-Comin'.... - GoFuckYourself.com

Greg B · 12-11-2003, 09:56 PM

The Joke Is No Longer Funny
By Wayne Sneedon
Editorial - The Ticker
Baruch College - City Universtiy Of New York
12-12 03

Our professors have joked about it. We joke about it with our friends. But it's just a joke, a relic from the "bad old days." The draft is gone forever, isn't it? Think again.

Become acquainted with the Universal National Service Act of 2003, H.R. 163, introduced on January 7, 2003. This act, can be found on the website of the U.S. Congress at (http://www.congress.gov).

This act as seen on the website states: Universal National Service Act of 2003

Title: A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes.

It declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service. Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females.

Let's take a look at the contentions in this bill for a moment. First, we notice that it becomes the "obligation" of every person in the United States between 18 and 26 to serve two years in the military. "Obligation," means no choice in the matter. In addition, the Military Selective Service Act is amended to include women. It would appear that this also extends to non-citizens and immigrants, based on the phrase, "every other person residing in the United States."

Exemptions do apply, however, like those considered "conscientious objectors." Conscientious objectors are not necessarily exempt from the draft. People who refuse to fight or fire a weapon are instead placed in non-combat stations of the military. Others who refuse to be in anything military-related for moral or ethical reasons, according the Selective Service System 2004 website (sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm), would be placed in "Alternate Service" areas specializing in "conservation, caring for the very young or very old, education or health care" for the same 24 month (two year) period.

There is also the ominous phrase in the act that speaks of drafting for "furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These "other purposes" remain unclear, but are dictated by whatever the president deems appropriate. This is the same president who dodged the draft years ago. But I digress.

H.R. 163 also teams with its sister bill, S. 89. These are two separate bills, written with the exact same lingo. The difference? One sits with the House, the other with the Senate.

Forget your dreams of attending college, getting a job and then developing a career and starting a family. All of these plans can be severely disrupted, if not irrevocably changed by this mandatory government service.

When will this happen? Both bills are on the floor of the Congress, waiting to be picked up and voted on. It is unlikely that we will see this before the election in 2004. No president seriously seeking reelection would dare try to impose a mandatory draft and military service. However, once Bush ends up with a second term, he is basically free to do anything he wants. Look for this in 2005, according to the Selective Service System fiscal year 2004 plan (sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html).

President Bush is spending $28 million (see plans 1-3 at the above website for dollar amounts) to have the Selective Service system ready to report to him on March 31, 2005, and then to have the system ready for activation within 75 days. This would make the approximated date of the return of the draft June 15, 2005. All of these numbers can be figured out by reading the above link.

Keep in mind, those of you who are ready to become conscientious objectors, that the world is a vastly different place than it was during the last draft. Applicants will be scrutinized more closely than ever. Those counting on student deferments to keep themselves out of the draft will be disappointed to find that that is no longer guaranteed. And don't even think about running to Canada. Entry into Canada is exceptionally difficult, with all visitors being heavily questioned before entry is allowed, combined with the agreement between Canada and the U.S. to expedite return of those wanted by the U.S.

Ladies and gentlemen, this is no joke. This is not the mindless rambling of a paranoid conspiracy theorist. You think I'm f***ing with you? I am not f***ing with you.

This sucks, I don't want to be forced to serve. Then speak up. Become informed. Tell your friends, who will fall into the age range of 18-26. Talk to your local congress people. Hold peaceful rallies. If you don't want this, take action to stop it now, before it is too late.
The Joke is No Longer Funny

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funkmaster · 12-11-2003, 09:57 PM

good morning ...

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(2 posts down from yours)

BigFish · 12-11-2003, 09:57 PM

do people not scan the board before they post.

DirtyDanza · 12-11-2003, 09:58 PM

shit I wish they would send me.... the war would be over alot quicker

Mr Pheer · 12-11-2003, 10:03 PM

It really wouldnt hurt most of you to do a 2 year tour. God knows some of you need to grow up. Most other countries already have this in place.

sumphatpimp · 12-11-2003, 10:05 PM

all you young studs say goodbye to your girlfriends!

I'll take good care of them while you are gone.

just got a new bottle of Viagra.

oh yeah, always sit on your helmet while in a helicopter,
don't want to get your balls blown off.

for real !

Horny Dude · 12-11-2003, 10:14 PM

We should give all the cons in jail guns and send them over there. Tell them they can do whatever just win. Tell ya that war would be over by the end of the night!

candyflip · 12-11-2003, 10:20 PM

It's not a draft. Everyone has to partake. They do this in Isreal and a few other countries around the world.

Lonny · 12-11-2003, 10:30 PM

that would never happen, they would send some 19 year old whos heading down wrong path in life to fight in any war befor they send some con to fight in the war. Cons would end up corrupting the whole military system.

Quote:

Originally posted by Horny Dude
We should give all the cons in jail guns and send them over there. Tell them they can do whatever just win. Tell ya that war would be over by the end of the night!

Rictor · 12-11-2003, 10:38 PM

Heh. Glad I'll be 27 before they pass that (if they pass it).

Anyway, passage into Canada isn't hard. They say, where yah goin? You tell em, they say okay. And you go. Millions of people cross the border every day to go to work, go shopping, tourism, or whatever. I've never had any trouble.

OAEN · 12-11-2003, 11:05 PM

They cannot force everyone to participate in the armed forces, concientous objectors would be everywhere.

Just more bullshit to further corral the usa with.

Sosa · 12-11-2003, 11:11 PM

Yeah, it would be total bullshit and I doubt would pass. I agree, send the fuck sticks that are locked up in prisons over there before anything, they just cost the country money and do nothing in the prisons.

HeadPimp · 12-11-2003, 11:36 PM

You know I might object to this more if it weren't for the fact that more than half of my graduating class joined the military just to get out of the shit town we grew up in.

I am not a big fan of institutionalized military time, but then again there are a lot of shit heads out there that need someone to tell them what to do every day. I also think that they ought to put a good chunk of the people convicted of moderately violent crimes into the Army. Obviously these people need structure.

In any event, I would imagine that kids from rich families don't get drafted often, and when they do, they don't go to any combat zones, so I won't worry about my kids....

Greg B · 12-11-2003, 11:37 PM

They should send Jay and Silent Bob...

Could you imagine those two in Iraq???

Shoehorn! · 12-11-2003, 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Horny Dude
We should give all the cons in jail guns and send them over there. Tell them they can do whatever just win. Tell ya that war would be over by the end of the night!

That's an excellent idea.

theking · 12-11-2003, 11:51 PM

Good...the draft should not have been done away with in the first place...for a variety of good reasons.

GonePhishing · 12-11-2003, 11:53 PM

Wow,

I hope they draft all the boy bands, dido, and right said fred with them.

Shoehorn! · 12-11-2003, 11:58 PM

http://www.congress.gov/cgi-bin/bdqu...:@@@L&summ2=m&

makefuckingmoney · 12-12-2003, 01:01 AM

If they lowered it to 15, we would have less tgp'ers!

com · 12-12-2003, 01:03 AM

good thing i retain dual citizenship with ireland... and shredded all my sss papers. ;P fuck em, im not going to kill in some foreign desert for bush. bring the fight to me and you'll see what a pissed of marksman will do

Stud Money · 12-12-2003, 01:06 AM

If they dont ask... make sure you tell then you shouldnt have to worry about it

kmanrox · 12-12-2003, 01:07 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by makefuckingmoney
If they lowered it to 15, we would have less tgp'ers!

\

ahahahaah

Mr.Fiction · 12-12-2003, 01:19 AM

If there was a draft, there would be a lot less pro-war voters in America.

theking · 12-12-2003, 01:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction
If there was a draft, there would be a lot less pro-war voters in America.

That just may be the best reason out of a variety of good reasons. I do not know what the status is in the current conflict but during the 1st Gulf War...not a single member of the 535 members of Congress had a son or daughter in the military. In addition...less than 1% of the population ever serves in the all volunteer military and the ranks are filled primarily with the children of lower financial status. With a draft (a reformed draft from the old draft) people from all walks of life will be affected...where as now...few people even know of anyone that is serving.

12-11-2003, 09:56 PM	#1
Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	18 to 26 Year olds...Draft Is A-Comin'.... The Joke Is No Longer Funny By Wayne Sneedon Editorial - The Ticker Baruch College - City Universtiy Of New York 12-12 03 Our professors have joked about it. We joke about it with our friends. But it's just a joke, a relic from the "bad old days." The draft is gone forever, isn't it? Think again. Become acquainted with the Universal National Service Act of 2003, H.R. 163, introduced on January 7, 2003. This act, can be found on the website of the U.S. Congress at (http://www.congress.gov). This act as seen on the website states: Universal National Service Act of 2003 Title: A bill to provide for the common defense by requiring that all young persons in the United States, including women, perform a period of military service or a period of civilian service in furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes. It declares that it is the obligation of every U.S. citizen, and every other person residing in the United States, between the ages of 18 and 26 to perform a two-year period of national service, unless exempted, either as a member of an active or reserve component of the armed forces or in a civilian capacity that promotes national defense. Requires induction into national service by the President. Sets forth provisions governing: (1) induction deferments, postponements, and exemptions, including exemption of a conscientious objector from military service that includes combatant training; and (2) discharge following national service. Amends the Military Selective Service Act to authorize the military registration of females. Let's take a look at the contentions in this bill for a moment. First, we notice that it becomes the "obligation" of every person in the United States between 18 and 26 to serve two years in the military. "Obligation," means no choice in the matter. In addition, the Military Selective Service Act is amended to include women. It would appear that this also extends to non-citizens and immigrants, based on the phrase, "every other person residing in the United States." Exemptions do apply, however, like those considered "conscientious objectors." Conscientious objectors are not necessarily exempt from the draft. People who refuse to fight or fire a weapon are instead placed in non-combat stations of the military. Others who refuse to be in anything military-related for moral or ethical reasons, according the Selective Service System 2004 website (sss.gov/FSconsobj.htm), would be placed in "Alternate Service" areas specializing in "conservation, caring for the very young or very old, education or health care" for the same 24 month (two year) period. There is also the ominous phrase in the act that speaks of drafting for "furtherance of the national defense and homeland security, and for other purposes." These "other purposes" remain unclear, but are dictated by whatever the president deems appropriate. This is the same president who dodged the draft years ago. But I digress. H.R. 163 also teams with its sister bill, S. 89. These are two separate bills, written with the exact same lingo. The difference? One sits with the House, the other with the Senate. Forget your dreams of attending college, getting a job and then developing a career and starting a family. All of these plans can be severely disrupted, if not irrevocably changed by this mandatory government service. When will this happen? Both bills are on the floor of the Congress, waiting to be picked up and voted on. It is unlikely that we will see this before the election in 2004. No president seriously seeking reelection would dare try to impose a mandatory draft and military service. However, once Bush ends up with a second term, he is basically free to do anything he wants. Look for this in 2005, according to the Selective Service System fiscal year 2004 plan (sss.gov/perfplan_fy2004.html). President Bush is spending $28 million (see plans 1-3 at the above website for dollar amounts) to have the Selective Service system ready to report to him on March 31, 2005, and then to have the system ready for activation within 75 days. This would make the approximated date of the return of the draft June 15, 2005. All of these numbers can be figured out by reading the above link. Keep in mind, those of you who are ready to become conscientious objectors, that the world is a vastly different place than it was during the last draft. Applicants will be scrutinized more closely than ever. Those counting on student deferments to keep themselves out of the draft will be disappointed to find that that is no longer guaranteed. And don't even think about running to Canada. Entry into Canada is exceptionally difficult, with all visitors being heavily questioned before entry is allowed, combined with the agreement between Canada and the U.S. to expedite return of those wanted by the U.S. Ladies and gentlemen, this is no joke. This is not the mindless rambling of a paranoid conspiracy theorist. You think I'm f*ing with you? I am not f*ing with you. This sucks, I don't want to be forced to serve. Then speak up. Become informed. Tell your friends, who will fall into the age range of 18-26. Talk to your local congress people. Hold peaceful rallies. If you don't want this, take action to stop it now, before it is too late. The Joke is No Longer Funny http://www.theticker.org/vnews/displ.../3fd76d6bed7e8

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DirtyDanza Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: BP4L.... Las Vegas, Posts: 8,370	shit I wish they would send me.... the war would be over alot quicker __________________ AVN Nominated Camming Couple

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Mr Pheer Retired Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 21,277	It really wouldnt hurt most of you to do a 2 year tour. God knows some of you need to grow up. Most other countries already have this in place. __________________ 2 lifeguards for Jessica

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Horny Dude Earn enough to buy coffee Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: San Diego, Ca. Posts: 4,912	We should give all the cons in jail guns and send them over there. Tell them they can do whatever just win. Tell ya that war would be over by the end of the night! __________________

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candyflip Carpe Visio Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: New York Posts: 43,064	It's not a draft. Everyone has to partake. They do this in Isreal and a few other countries around the world. __________________ Spend you some brain. Email Me

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Rictor Old Timer Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Indianapolis Posts: 12,208	Heh. Glad I'll be 27 before they pass that (if they pass it). Anyway, passage into Canada isn't hard. They say, where yah goin? You tell em, they say okay. And you go. Millions of people cross the border every day to go to work, go shopping, tourism, or whatever. I've never had any trouble.

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OAEN Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: Omnipresent Posts: 124	They cannot force everyone to participate in the armed forces, concientous objectors would be everywhere. Just more bullshit to further corral the usa with. __________________ <-- I do not recommend anything that might be under my name. It's a sellout by GFY.

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Sosa In Tushy Land Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Nebraska Posts: 40,149	Yeah, it would be total bullshit and I doubt would pass. I agree, send the fuck sticks that are locked up in prisons over there before anything, they just cost the country money and do nothing in the prisons.

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HeadPimp Bad Mo-Fo Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,772	You know I might object to this more if it weren't for the fact that more than half of my graduating class joined the military just to get out of the shit town we grew up in. I am not a big fan of institutionalized military time, but then again there are a lot of shit heads out there that need someone to tell them what to do every day. I also think that they ought to put a good chunk of the people convicted of moderately violent crimes into the Army. Obviously these people need structure. In any event, I would imagine that kids from rich families don't get drafted often, and when they do, they don't go to any combat zones, so I won't worry about my kids....

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Greg B So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: EARTH (for the time being) Posts: 7,014	They should send Jay and Silent Bob... Could you imagine those two in Iraq???

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