No doubt!

I live on the Ohio / Kentucky border and many of the public places in northern Kentucky do NOT have a smoking / non-smoking areas and it is just awful. Hillbillies everythwere chain smoking since they were 12... It's a site to see.

Even worse... when you ask to be seated in non-smoking and your table is the last table in non-smoking, which is right by the smoking. I always jump the hostess ass for this, nothing peeves me more. OK, maybe a slow internet connection, but it's a close call.

You must be talking about "Bobby Mackies Bar & Grill" in Kentucky. I think I've heard of this place where red necks smash beer bottles over non-smokers heads for being "faggot pussies" and trying to live a somewhat healthy life.

What many smokers do not realize is that if your smoking within 30 feet of us, it IS in our face. Your senses have been deadened and you do not smell it anymore, but for a non-smoker we can smell it on you and your clothes 30 minutes after your last ciggy. It really does stink that bad.

If I were to fart (one of those nasty wet ones) and stink up the entire room to the point that it almost made you gag, even though I was 20 + feet away, would this not anger you as I did it over and over while you were trying to eat?

We don't want to get in anyones face about it, but smoke travels well beyond your table and right up our nose. This is why it upsets us so much... we can't get away from it.

how about we ban any food that gives you gas, ban all hard drinks because you might smell, lets just fucking ban everything YOU dont like. you want the ban because you dont smoke, simple as that. this isnt on public property. if i own a business and i smoke, it should be MY choice what i allow others to do on MY PROPERTY. customers dont dictate the way a business should be run. dont like it? go some place else. stop trying to change everything to fit you. if you dont want to smell it on me, just leave. :2 cents:

This is a tough issue since it is pitting personal freedom vs personal freedom.

Smokers should have the right to pursue the legal activity of smoking. It is legal and as long as they are of age, so there should be no problem. But non-smokers have the right to not have to have to smell it, inhale it, and generally be exposed to it if I don't want to. Now you have a question of who's rights are more important.

The key issue is that the act of smoking is not a discreet activity. You can have a smoking section in a bar/returant, but as we all know, unless there is some fancy air flow, or physical barriers, the smoke goes where ever it is blown. Furthermore, from personal experience, I really don't appreciate the cloud of smoke that I have to walk through when I am going into or out of the mall. There is always a crowd of people just outside the doors, and it is about impossible to avoid them.

As for bars and smoking... I have no problem with bars being a smoking area. I don't have to go to a bar, and it isn't a family oriented area. If a bar is too smoky, then it is my choice to stay or not. I think this is a good comprimise to having all resturants and public places being smoke free. I also know that there are several bars in the Seattle area that have gone smoke free voluntarily.

As I finish this rant, let me point out that we only still have legalizes tobacco in this country because it is a great monetary tool. On one front, it generates ass loads of tax revenues, and the sales fund a lot of politician's campaigns. Secondly, it is a great "opiate of the masses" The majority of smokers are of mid and lower incomes, it helps keep those groups happy and poor. The rich want to stay rich, and keeping the people with shitty incomes hooked on a drug that costs them thousands of year in direct costs and tens of thousands in indirect costs works fantastically.

In the end all I know is that it doesn't take a real intelligent person to realize that inhaling smoke of any kind, isn't good for your lungs.

Totally agree there...people are acting like a resturant or bar is public property......IT'S A PRIVATE BUSINESS ON PRIVATE PROPERTY.

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Yes, please.

Free market economy 101: If there are many people who wish to go to non-smoking bars/restaurants/whatever, these are economically viable. Nobody is preventing anyone from starting one, nor is anyone preventing non-smokers from only visiting non-smoking bars/restaurants/whatever.
Why take away freedom when you always have the choice to go to a place where there's no smoking?

Aside from that, if smoking is banned in all public places, I insist that cars, factories that produce something I don't use, etc. are also banned. After all, these are severely hurting the environment and therefore me. And, unlike with smoking, I don't have the choice to either go or not go somewhere where I'm effected... because the effects are everywhere.

I suggest we ban complainers from public places , and fat people too.

There are new laws now being proposed and legislated that will address this concern as well. Smokers will have to be away from entrances to public places as well, being 'outside the door' will no longer be an option.



People want to smoke, that's your right to do so, but you are all basically whining about your rights to kill yourselves. As for smokers being "too weak to throw a punch", I disagree with that.... but the point is valid. I once went swimming in a big river with my cousin who smokes. He has been smoking since his early teens. I spotted something orange floating way out in the middle, and suggested we swim out to see what it was. I got out to it and found it to be just an orange bag of some sort.... I turned around to gloat that I had made it to the orange thing first, and what did I see? Murray standing 200 yards away on the dock, having a smoke. When I got back I asked him why he didn't race me out there, and he replied "Dude, I've been smoking for 20 YEARS, I can't fucking swim that far!".... ha ha... and this guy prides himself on being fit.


Think it won't catch up with you? Think again.

ya the no smoking law basically killed my bar business......

I have had to resort to going to AA meetings and offer 2 free drinks to whoever follows me to my bar....

I totally agree that letting the market dictate what businesses do is the right way to go, but I think that the problem with this, is that it constitutes a public health hazzard. The reality is that having market demand rule the day with addictive substances just doesn't work.

I wonder what the tobacco industry would be like if cigarette makers had to deal with life without government subsidies?

If you want to kill yourself go ahead but don't make me breath in that foul shit when i'm drinking with a mate or at dinner with my girl.

Ban it!

Public places like resturants, I could deal with, but fuck if their gonna take my right from smoking outside like some places want to!

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One point that seems to be missed here:

Smoking in front of a non-smoker is simply RUDE. Forget the health reasons for a second, it simply is uncouth and like the farting thing, not pleasant at all. I'm talking about simple courtesy.

:stoned I mean, urine is sterile, so why not have a peeing area in the pool, it wont harm anyone, right? You drink it, it really might taste bad but its just water, quite harmless at that concentration. And if you pee only in one corner of the pool, it really dissociates quite a bit so you really wont have any pee on you if you swim on the other side... That seems like the weak logic smokers are coming up with here.

Anyways another analogy to get the message across....