yes, a lot of cities and some states have public smoking laws. But the rate of these laws being created has drastically dropped -why? Because a lot of states (mine included) budget are built around cigarette tax and tobacco settlement. We are now paying the bills.

I think it should be up to the establishment owner. About 50% of our restaraunts in my town are non-smoking because the owner wants it that way. If you don't want to be in a smoking restaurant that has a non-smoking section then get your ass to the restaurant across the street where it is completely non-smoking.

It would be funny to see a nonsmoker walk in to a smoking only restraunt...they have to have a pack in thier pocket, or no food for them...lol

Actually, I wasn't pissed off. I was trying to be sarcastic at first. To be funny. I guess it didn't translate very well. No one can argue that smoking is hazardous to one's own health. It seems both sides have "proof" that it is or isn't healthy to be around second hand smoke though.

And no, you are not right actually. Backbone has very little to do with kicking a serious addiction. You obviously have never worked in a place that has dealth with serious addictions, or known many people who have had serious addictions otherwise you would not say something like that, and we would have fewer addicts in our society.

Back to the part about pompous and self rightous people who lack compassion because they know nothing about what they speak about. Pompous and self rightous are words that seem very strong when spoken, but sad in reality.

All I say is http://www.zuv.uni-heidelberg.de/sw/...r/no-smoke.jpg !!!! :1orglaugh

You know, that's the funny thing about message boards... Things don't always translate well, and most of the time you don't know much about who you're talking to. I have watched many of my friends turn into alchoholics and cokeheads over the years. So I know a few things about addiction. I know that anybody can become addicted (although it's usually some weakness that causes it), and that it takes a lot of strength to quit whatever you're addicted to. The bottom line is this, it doesn't matter if you're addicted to cigarettes or crack, if you have the will to quit you will quit. You can call me pompous or arrogant or whatever you want. I only speak the truth and the funny thing about the truth is most people don't want to hear it.

god damn i love smoking. :)

i fucking hate smoking :321GFY

it is in the nl

I smoke but I hatev it when people smoke when I'm eating and I always have consideration for others when they are eating :thumbsup

When I moved from Arizona (where they do allow smoking in restaurants) to Oregon, it was so nice to find out that they don't allow that here.

If places had completely seperate rooms for smoking vs non-smoking, that would be fine IMO.
But the 'smoking section' of most restaurants was nothing more than an invisible line.
You could ask for non-smoking and be seated right next to the 'border' 3ft away from people smoking.
It's just silly.. like 20 people puffing away on one side of the room wasn't going to pollute the whole place.

I'm all for people doing whatever the want to themselves. Legalize heroin and everything else. But unlike most vices, cigarrettes have an area of effect outside your own body. Even if second hand smoke doesn't kill, it does make it hard for others to breathe. I'm not sure people who are used to smoking really understand how much it bothers non-smokers; esp if the smoker grew up in a smoking household. It's more than an unpleasent odor; it chokes you.

in a similar example:
In New Zealand, there is a place called Rotorua where there is a lot of geothermal activity. This produces sulpher. As a result, the entire town literally smells like rotting eggs. Depending on conditions, it can be bad enough to make a visitor nauseous. But the people that live there got used to breathing sulpher, so it doesn't bother them.

yes

Thank god Miami is still a pretty free place. You can smoke if you are on an open patio, or if less than 10% of the revenues are generated by food. (so just plain bars and clubs are still smoking)

I quit smoking, personally, about 3 years ago. Now I just have the occasional cigar if I'm drinking, but the problem I have is this:

Who are these facists that think that they can tell a small business that they can't allow a legal product in their own place? If the anti-smoking people don't want to go to a smokey place, then don't. If a bar owner decides he will get more customers by banning smoking....it's his business, it should be up to him. If he wants to allow smoking....it's his business, it should be up to him.

I also don't agree with helmet laws, or seatbelt laws for people over 21. Next thing is that we will allow the goverment to make us where a safety harness in the shower. I AM TOTALLY AGAINST GOVERMENT INTRUSIONS. I know that the European ideas of socialism are gaining ground here in the US, and I hate that.

I will always come down on the side of individual freedoms, and that includes the freedom of business owners. If I have a business and I want to allow people to smoke there, and it's STILL A LEGAL PRODUCT, then it's nobodies business.:2 cents:

So ok, we are banned from smoking almost EVERYWHERE yet you have lets say a family of 4 with 4 fucking cars, 1 each which they drive every fucking day and oh that's ok? they're not harming anyone or anything? can't do this, can't do that... wtf is this? Communism? We (smokers) have already been banned from smoking almost all over the fucking place yet we still have non smokers being cry babies and trying to get it totally banned. Well, Im sorry to inform you but that will NEVER happen. Why? Do you know how much $$ the Gov makes from tabaco sales? Do you think they will cut off that source of income?

It's funny how non smokers believe that WE are the ones that are at fault for others getting cancer.. how bout checking what's in the air you're breathing. you think cigarettes are bad? oh but Im sure all the factories that are pumping out tons of "smoke" have "purified" it before letting it go out into the air because they want all of us to be healthy LOL.. lemme guess, now it's smokers fault there's a hole in the ozone? lmao.. your car pumps out more shit in a short drive to the store that's 5 minutes away then me smoking a hole pack of smokes.. so go ahead, tell me not to smoke, be rude to me.. I'll flatten your fucking tires so you can't drive and polute the air that I breathe.. how's that?

If I'm in your homeand you're a non smokers then yes, I will respect that and smoke outside but other then that you have no right to tell me what to do. Just like I have no right tell you what to do and what not to do.

forgot to mention.. They ban smoking (which is LEGAL) in bars, pubs etc.. BUT oh they can still serve alcohol and let people DRIVE home! What would do more damage, a drunk retard driving or a smoker sitting down, relaxing having a smoke? oh but that's ok right? fucking bullshit..

come to california, you will love it, no smoking in restaurants and public areas.

Well over here it's like that.. even bars and pubs have the ban so I don't have to go to Cali for that lol.

No man, you the smoker have a perfect right to go to any of those places still. You just can't pollute the air while you are in them, that's all. :1orglaugh

ha ha... sorry, had to.

And please, don't draw comparisons with the gun issue, this thread will go another 10 pages on that alone. Me drinking alcohol doesn't affect another person's respiratory system, no comparison there either. Kat, my main point is that the laws are here, they are getting tougher on smokers, not lighter.... the truth of that you can not argue with. No amount of debate, comparisons or justifications are going to change these laws.... too many people like their clean air.


Take bars for example. Up until now, if I wanted to go to a club and sit at a VLT and gamble and have a few drinks, I had to invariably put up with clouds of thick stinking cig smoke. CLOUDS of it. I come home stinking like a well-used chimney bro.... why? Why can't I go out and have a good time and not have a ton of smoke forced down my throat?

no, sorry, I welcome the bylaws. After working in health care for 15 years I could fill up this thread with examples of why I'm right. I'm not saying quit, I'm saying just make sure no one else is going to have to breath in your smoke, that's all. Kind of like farting in a crowded restaurant.... you can either get up and go elsewhere and let 'r rip, or you can crank it out and have the entire place glaring at you.

I'll respect all other opinions, but i'll smoke !

Some people who smoke think they are tough by doing it.

Smoking is for the weak. :feels-hot

As a smoker myself i would say yes.

Im alway concious of where i light up, if there are children around i always ensure i go somewhere out of their way, if there is food being served ill go outside i have even started to go outside at home or if its cold/raining ill open the office window and smoke out of that.

100 fags :Graucho

Who said that was okay? Stick to the topic at hand. Smokers are a sensitive bunch. Just say, " I know all the risks, I know half of all smokers die before the age of 49. I know second-hand smoke can be a danger to some people, and unpleasant to almost all people. I know and I understand, but I can't quit."

People have respect for that, but this poor me attitude you all have about smoking laws is pretty pathetic

Smokers are pissed off because they have no self-control; Imagine, lacking the ability to say no to your mind and body because of a product. They're like crack addicts eagerly willing to suck a cock with crabs to get their smokes.

Fact is, his bitching can't harm your health.

Smoke of ANY sort does. Second/First/Whatnot. You say it's government propoganda? How do you figure? Doesn't the government earn incredible tax for every cigarette pack sold? Why would they lie contrary to their interests?

All pubs/bars/restaurants/here are required by lay to be non-smoking. I think it's a step forward.

You are obviously a rarity, judging by the smokers on this thread.





On another note, you smokers would love the short story by Steven King called "The Ten O'clock People".... I believe it is in the book "Nightmares & Dreamscapes". Check it out.

I can say no, I just choose not too because I don't care. Im just tired of hearing people complain constantly. it's like people complaining aboput smoking in a humidor (and Ive seen it done) #1 why the fuck are you there if you don't smoke? If I'm there blowing it right in your face then I understand getting bitched at or being asked politely if it's possible for me to go smoke outside I'm ok with that, but to order me, that won't fly. I also noticed that when non smokers bitch about smokers they get cheered on but when smokers retaliate they are wrong, stupid, weak or whatever other names they like to call us. If I don't get bothered then I don't bother others, but if you get in my face and start bitching at me and all that shit don't expect me to say "Ok, I'm sorry" expect the same aimed right back at you. I don't disrespect anyone unless they disrespect me when in reality I did nothing wrong.

Yngwie

yes, yes, and yes.

Well the way i see it, Smoking is MY addiction, why should i pass the possibility of it onto someone else?

There are only a few bars where I live, that allow you to smoke inside, and thousands where you can't. You anti-smoking pussy faggots won this battle.

If you came into such a bar where you can smoke inside and started to bother the smokers you would have a beer bottle smashed over your head.

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Yes, I'm a pussy faggot for wanting some clean fucking air. Get a clue retard. Yap all the tough talk you want, fact is you can smoke yourself into a pair of char-broiled lungs for all I care, just don't try taking anyone with you.

Wanna come blow some smoke in my face? :Graucho

You must be the change you wish to see in the world - Ghandi
So I say to you, stop your own whining and complaining!

So tough! too bad the smoker will probably run out of breath before he even has a chance to swing at the non-smoker.

there is no point in having this discussion with smokers. The morons are already happily inhaling poison, make themselves smell like shit and make their homes smell like shit.. I doubt they will ever care for other people when they dont care about themselves.

Smokers are a plague and bunch of weak fucks who fell for the peer pressure in high school and now they dont have what it takes to quit.

weak pussy bitches :321GFY

Shut the fuck up and go get in your smoke spewing Pinto to get yourself a Big Mac and fries.

Your right smokers are so weakened by their habit they lack the ability to throw a punch.

My point was, the anti-smoking groups have won. Smoking is banned just about everywhere indoors, I don't see the point of a whiny bitch going to one of the few remaining places smoking is allowed and complain.

I'll say it again....what about the rights of the business owner...there is an amendment to the constitution that talks about the right of free association ya' know? You guys are acting like someones resturant is public property....it isn't. It is someone's PRIVATE BUSINESS:2 cents:

how about you cry babies sit in the NON SMOKING SECTION
either that or move to california where its banned already. fucking gov telling me what i can and cant do is very annoying. i fear what may be next

the bottom line is, smoking is just a dumb thing to do. Anyone who smokes is a weakminded, pathetic fool. End of story

yes i think it should be banned,
here in calgary the only places u can smoke is where its all 18+, and has to be a sectioned off bar section if its a restaurant/pub.

i think it should be banned, i have nothing against smoking, but some smokers are over the top.

when i go to the casino and sit at the blackjack table there is always someone chain puffing for hours at a time, not a breath of fresh air, every breath is from a smoke.

i know in winnipeg its banned everywhere, including casinos, bars, everywhere.

i think that is a good step. also they said here in calgary that 10% less of the population smoke now. maybe its cause of the high taxes or maybe kids are smoking more weed these days. but any steps to keep the air around me fresh is a good one.