Conversions - 1, 2, 3 page ratio count? - GoFuckYourself.com

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 04:00 PM

Okay I have a question for those of you who are opinionated. I'd like to start a debate if possible. I am EXTREMLY curious as to what peoples opinion is on this:

What do you prefer your ratio count be on? 1st page hit, 2nd page, join page hit?
Personally, I like to see HITS (not unique) to the 1st page. That way I can see how the BULK of the traffic is doing. Not just the traffic going to the join page.

However I have heard many people express that join page hits are far more accurate. Does this only apply if you're able to send thousands of uniques a day?

Now would THIS be a cool feature? Stats that include 1st page, and order page hit ratios? Does this exist with any sponsors currently that I have just not seen?

Let's hear what you prefer and WHY.

tranza · 12-05-2003, 04:10 PM

1st page raw or unique, it doesn't matter as far as it is 1st page!

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 04:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tranza
1st page raw or unique, it doesn't matter as far as it is 1st page!

Do you think it would be beneficial to see not only 1st page, but the order page stats too? To see how many people make it that far, and from that page how many order?

Bigjohn · 12-05-2003, 04:15 PM

If you're sending blind traffic or exit console popups directly to a first page then second page stats make more sense.

If you're sending targeted hits then first page stats are more valuable.

DatingGold · 12-05-2003, 04:16 PM

1st page is most accurate. 2nd page is just to show a better conversion.

Jason · 12-05-2003, 04:17 PM

PornDollar has always counted 1st page raw and unique.

It is a true count.

Why count anything other than that?

Marketing.

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 04:23 PM

See the reason why I am convinced you need MORE stats is simply because I can see it being a nice statistical breakdown of the specific sponsors effectiveness. For example, if it looks like 10% of the users are going to the order page - and they all bail, then first of all WHY is only 10% going to the order page and why are none buying. How can you increase the effectiveness of the 1st hit page to get MORE traffic to the order page without sending them blindly.

In this sense I suppose it is more beneficial to the paysite itself. But for the user it tells them how well the site flows for the user. I mean it may give them some insight on how to better send traffic. To play with their methods. If for example you send 1,000 to the 1st page. Then it tracks 450 to the second, and 2 buy... you've got 1:225 on the second page and 1:500 on the 1st.

What I am trying to get at I suppose is why not have BOTH there for everyone to see? It could prove to be very nice to see.

I mean it may explain why some of these sites are 1:2,500. Because no one gets past the 1st page. They all bail. But the users that DO get to the next page are very interested in buying.

To me that would mean simply targetted the traffic more and qualifying it better.

AmeliaG · 12-05-2003, 04:25 PM

More stats about any aspect of how surfers look through sales tools = always a good thing.

I wish there was more consistency in how people determined conversion ratios though. Like an industry standard. I tend to decide which sponsors work for me based on a combination of which ones produce sales tools (banners, galleries, etc.) my surfers are most likely to click on, combined with ratios on raw clicks per sale. I tend to look at the $ I get in and my own click stats more than a sponsor's stats, just because all the sponsors seem to define hits differently.

$5 submissions · 12-05-2003, 04:25 PM

1st page counts.

SomeCreep · 12-05-2003, 04:26 PM

1st page stats for raw/uniques are a must, then if the sponsor has second page and join page stats, thats nice also.

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 04:38 PM

Also: Do you track how many hits you send to the sponsor yourself as well, or rely on them?

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 04:54 PM

I'm wondering if there are any scripts out there that can DB a url and spit out a linkid and track the clicks that way too. Maybe built into a TGP script or something to make it seamless?

- Jesus Christ - · 12-05-2003, 04:56 PM

1st page raw and uniques is all i need but having that AND join page hits does help me target traffic even more.

Rorschach · 12-05-2003, 05:02 PM

I want them all: first page (raw + uniques), second page, join page, + I track my outclicks for an accurate count across different sponsors.

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 05:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Rorschach
I want them all: first page (raw + uniques), second page, join page, + I track my outclicks for an accurate count across different sponsors.

Nice- good stuff

Theo · 12-05-2003, 05:40 PM

1st page unique

ztik · 12-05-2003, 05:41 PM

You need to count the very first hit to tell the real value of your traffic and conversions.

I assume sponsors who count 2nd page hits only do it so conversions look better for their webmasters. Not sure if that is correct though.

I personally, won't promote a site that doesn't count all my traffic.

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 05:44 PM

I mean this industry is no different than any other. Statistical data is KEY in making judgements about effectiveness of programs etc.

It comes down to: Each of my visitors is worth $x.
Now, if you had stats to help increase your OVERALL revenue by 10, 20, 70% would you be opposed to that?

looky_lou · 12-05-2003, 05:55 PM

First page unique is most important to me. $ per unique is the key.

If the surfer come in once and does'nt buy and come back later and does'nt buy I don't want him counted twice = raw.

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 07:11 PM

fuzebox · 12-05-2003, 07:24 PM

What I can't believe is sponsors that don't even show your uniques, let alone raws, and just sales.

I track all my outclicks, but it's still annoying.

Brad-Wishing · 12-05-2003, 09:39 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fuzebox
I track all my outclicks, but it's still annoying.

What do you use to track out clicks?

Giorgio_Xo · 12-05-2003, 09:40 PM

I trust first page uniques as the best and easiest gauge.

fuzebox · 12-05-2003, 09:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Brad-Wishing

What do you use to track out clicks?

My own custom shit. It rocks. Track a user through your site and stuff

See sig

KaLi · 12-05-2003, 09:50 PM

I like to see 1st page hits.. To me, 2nd page or join page hits are just for a better ratio. I think socalcash uses a thing like youre talking about.

Brad-Wishing · 12-08-2003, 03:17 PM

Bumpety

bena1975ca · 12-09-2003, 02:14 AM

i wish there was more than just 1 stat but all they show is 1:ratio and dont specifiy what page hit it is. kindof silly more stats are better!

12-05-2003, 04:00 PM	#1
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	Conversions - 1, 2, 3 page ratio count? Okay I have a question for those of you who are opinionated. I'd like to start a debate if possible. I am EXTREMLY curious as to what peoples opinion is on this: What do you prefer your ratio count be on? 1st page hit, 2nd page, join page hit? Personally, I like to see HITS (not unique) to the 1st page. That way I can see how the BULK of the traffic is doing. Not just the traffic going to the join page. However I have heard many people express that join page hits are far more accurate. Does this only apply if you're able to send thousands of uniques a day? Now would THIS be a cool feature? Stats that include 1st page, and order page hit ratios? Does this exist with any sponsors currently that I have just not seen? Let's hear what you prefer and WHY. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-05-2003, 04:10 PM	#2
tranza ICQ: 197-556-237 Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: BRASIL !!! Posts: 57,559	1st page raw or unique, it doesn't matter as far as it is 1st page! __________________ I'm just a newbie.

12-05-2003, 04:16 PM	#5
DatingGold $6 PER EMAIL JOiN Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: California Posts: 13,185	1st page is most accurate. 2nd page is just to show a better conversion. __________________ 9 Years of SOLID payouts and conversions! ADULT DATING - $100 PPS LIVE CAMS - $214 PPS WWW.DATINGGOLD.COM ICQ: 27442303

12-05-2003, 04:17 PM	#6
Jason Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,287	PornDollar has always counted 1st page raw and unique. It is a true count. Why count anything other than that? Marketing. __________________ I stay busy.

12-05-2003, 04:23 PM	#7
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	See the reason why I am convinced you need MORE stats is simply because I can see it being a nice statistical breakdown of the specific sponsors effectiveness. For example, if it looks like 10% of the users are going to the order page - and they all bail, then first of all WHY is only 10% going to the order page and why are none buying. How can you increase the effectiveness of the 1st hit page to get MORE traffic to the order page without sending them blindly. In this sense I suppose it is more beneficial to the paysite itself. But for the user it tells them how well the site flows for the user. I mean it may give them some insight on how to better send traffic. To play with their methods. If for example you send 1,000 to the 1st page. Then it tracks 450 to the second, and 2 buy... you've got 1:225 on the second page and 1:500 on the 1st. What I am trying to get at I suppose is why not have BOTH there for everyone to see? It could prove to be very nice to see. I mean it may explain why some of these sites are 1:2,500. Because no one gets past the 1st page. They all bail. But the users that DO get to the next page are very interested in buying. To me that would mean simply targetted the traffic more and qualifying it better. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-05-2003, 04:15 PM	#4
Bigjohn Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Deep inside my mind Posts: 1,118	If you're sending blind traffic or exit console popups directly to a first page then second page stats make more sense. If you're sending targeted hits then first page stats are more valuable.

12-05-2003, 04:25 PM	#8
AmeliaG Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 10,567	More stats about any aspect of how surfers look through sales tools = always a good thing. I wish there was more consistency in how people determined conversion ratios though. Like an industry standard. I tend to decide which sponsors work for me based on a combination of which ones produce sales tools (banners, galleries, etc.) my surfers are most likely to click on, combined with ratios on raw clicks per sale. I tend to look at the $ I get in and my own click stats more than a sponsor's stats, just because all the sponsors seem to define hits differently. __________________ GFY Hall of Famer AltStar Hall of Famer Blue Blood's SpookyCash.com Babe photography portfolio

12-05-2003, 04:25 PM	#9
$5 submissions I help you SUCCEED Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2003 Location: The Pearl of the Orient Seas Posts: 32,195	1st page counts. __________________ Need a NON-ADULT income stream? We build your YOUTUBE CHANNEL for only $20 per video! For Hire: $3/hour or $400 per month Marketing Specialist Virtual Assistants

12-05-2003, 04:26 PM	#10
SomeCreep :glugglug Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Where the Wild Things Are Posts: 26,118	1st page stats for raw/uniques are a must, then if the sponsor has second page and join page stats, thats nice also. __________________ Webair Hosting I use and recommend Webair for hosting.

12-05-2003, 04:38 PM	#11
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	Also: Do you track how many hits you send to the sponsor yourself as well, or rely on them? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-05-2003, 04:54 PM	#12
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	I'm wondering if there are any scripts out there that can DB a url and spit out a linkid and track the clicks that way too. Maybe built into a TGP script or something to make it seamless? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-05-2003, 04:56 PM	#13
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12-05-2003, 05:02 PM	#14
Rorschach So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2002 Posts: 5,579	I want them all: first page (raw + uniques), second page, join page, + I track my outclicks for an accurate count across different sponsors.

12-05-2003, 05:40 PM	#16
Theo HAL 9000 Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 34,515	1st page unique

12-05-2003, 05:41 PM	#17
ztik Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Nomad Posts: 5,196	You need to count the very first hit to tell the real value of your traffic and conversions. I assume sponsors who count 2nd page hits only do it so conversions look better for their webmasters. Not sure if that is correct though. I personally, won't promote a site that doesn't count all my traffic. __________________ .

12-05-2003, 05:44 PM	#18
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	I mean this industry is no different than any other. Statistical data is KEY in making judgements about effectiveness of programs etc. It comes down to: Each of my visitors is worth $x. Now, if you had stats to help increase your OVERALL revenue by 10, 20, 70% would you be opposed to that? __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-05-2003, 05:55 PM	#19
looky_lou Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 1,771	First page unique is most important to me. $ per unique is the key. If the surfer come in once and does'nt buy and come back later and does'nt buy I don't want him counted twice = raw. __________________ PUSSY - PUSSY - PUSSY! Wet & Puffy - Wet & Pissy - We Like To Suck Puffy Cash

12-05-2003, 07:11 PM	#20
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	bump __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-05-2003, 07:24 PM	#21
fuzebox making it rain Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: seattle Posts: 22,117	What I can't believe is sponsors that don't even show your uniques, let alone raws, and just sales. I track all my outclicks, but it's still annoying.

12-05-2003, 09:40 PM	#23
Giorgio_Xo Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 4,263	I trust first page uniques as the best and easiest gauge. __________________ Make Levees, Not War

12-05-2003, 09:50 PM	#25
KaLi Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Lomita, CA Posts: 4,371	I like to see 1st page hits.. To me, 2nd page or join page hits are just for a better ratio. I think socalcash uses a thing like youre talking about. __________________ icq:160-417-630

12-08-2003, 03:17 PM	#26
Brad-Wishing Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Posts: 2,415	Bumpety __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

12-09-2003, 02:14 AM	#27
bena1975ca Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: BC, Canada Posts: 157	i wish there was more than just 1 stat but all they show is 1:ratio and dont specifiy what page hit it is. kindof silly more stats are better! __________________ Brad is a bitch he's a big fat bitch he's the biggest bitch in the whole wide world...