200 shaving sponsors

damnit

:1orglaugh good one :)

Rick, no I do not run any affiliate programs yet, nor do I have plans for any adult membership affiliate programs.

I think what the industry did a while ago was a very good move, getting an independent company to verify some of the results.

There were 2 problems with the test, 1 I believe the sponsor was notified when he was being checked allowing them to disable their shaving %, and secondly from what I have learned that test wasn't completely independent (meaning an adult company had a stake in the testing company.)

In either case, I still stick to my original comment, but I'd like to add that not 100% of sponsor's shave, there are small startups that do not have the technical skills to implement shaving functions and thus have not done so.

My strong feeling is there's not that much wrong with shaving, it's similar to the lemon law, if your car breaks 3 times for the same reason, you get a new one, does anyone uphold this law? No.

Same here, you send 3 signups, yet someone else sent 3,000 and 100 were charged back cuz they were fake. The sponsor needs to recover to continue producing cash to send you guys ( give customer a new car ) so occasionally they will shave and occasionally they will pay ;)

What does all this come down to? An independent company should be able to offer its services by streamlining and sitting middlemen verifying adult affiliate sponsor stats and allowing a quick and easy resolution to any complaints.

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Take a look at it from the sponsor's perspective, they have 10,000 signups / day. They can easily discount it to 9,900 signups per day, saving themselves 100 x $25 = $2,500 and when you break it down: that's 1% so if you sent 100 that day you'd be counted for 99, resulting in a net loss of $25 to the webmaster.

Now times that by *30 = you get $600 lost for the webmaster and 60,000$!!!!!! saved to the affiliate. With those kind of numbers would you do it?

For the record it's not CJ Bucks, CJ Bucks is a good program and Rick all the CJ crew are solid guys.

We may not see eye to eye on some issues, but reasonable people can disagree. Having worked for Rick, I can honestly say that CJ has, since day one, had a no-shaving policy.

I said I'd give the sponsor until Monday and I will.

It's monday here so fess up! :321GFY

Yeah there's still time before then for another 200 people to read this thread and call you a dipshit :321GFY

I know exactly what I would do. Thank you for walking into my carefully set trap.

I'd start ww.Dollars.com a new B2B exchange that plugs the Sponsors into a banner management system much like www.cj.com has done with the mainstream industry.

Then I'd make the Sponsors setup new company codes with Epoch and the other processors and give me access to their data dumps so I can assure the webmasters that they are in fact not being shaved.

I'd finish it off with some new fangled technology that could show people once and for all what their revenue earned per 1000 banner impressions was so they would stop judging their traffic on their value per click which is a variable and not a constant.

By the way, thanks for your support Jimmy.

We are launching Dollars.com this month so you should signup today to get the emails as they come out since they will be very important.

Bump-A-roo

Yup...looks like its monday.

Yup, it's Monday and time to announce the cheater and hopefully you have a bit of "Proof".........we are waiting:)

<h1>Show me the PROOF</h1>

Why do webmasters remind me so much more of my six year old hyperactive nephew that actual businessmen?

:1orglaugh :helpme :1orglaugh

Thats rich.

"I have proof of somthing that harms all webmasters but I wont tell unless you give me money, And If the sponsor pays me the difference I wont tell."


Your more like a russian ICQ saler then a businesman yourself.

Good day... Cheatski.

Why do you remind me of a selfish 6 year old with a new toy?

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

If jimmy3way doesn't post proof today I say he goes down as the biggest bitch in GFY history. Who's with me?

He's here calling other people childish while trying to make a buck instead of outing someone who's stealing from people. What a joke.

The bitch of it is...if you guys were decent webmasters you'd already know who shaves you, you worthless shitbags.

The reason I HAVE the proof I have and the reason I only lost a G is because I knew this fucker was shaving me after a week or two and I stopped sending traffic.

You worthless fucks want me to come over to your house and eat your lunch and fuck your wives for you too? Shit.

Do you want me to come over to your house and show you how to put a url in your sig so people can click on it? :1orglaugh

Why would I want to pay "you" to prove "you" are getting screwed? Does not make sense to me....but hey if it works I commend the idea.:thumbsup

You created a huge fucking stir but aren't following up.

Now come on and

POST THE PROOF!

Do you think he is the only webmaster promoting them?

post that shit

I HAPPEN TO KNOW FROM AN INSIDE SOURCE WHO HES TALKING ABOUT ,but i cant say however if you look at some of my other posts YOU WILL FIGURE IT OUT !

http://www.hotchickpost.com/screenslice.jpg

Here's a teaser, bitches.

Before you start slinging more shit about how this means nothing, when I post the whole thing I will black out email addies but will leave aff. codes intact.

Webmasters can look up their stats, see if they jive with the screen cap and BANG...real proof. There's obviously no way I could figure out how many joins were displayed in an actual webmaster's account unless this was a real screen cap.

Time to burn some bridges :winkwink:

Why not just post it? Are you really that in need of $1000? I'd assume you were a sig whore at this point if your sig was linked.

Ummm... now its starting to seem like the guy is serious!!!

I must say I am very curious! :thumbsup

No, read back I already said I wasn't taking any cash.

Have you heard anything from the offending program?

Are they trying to work out a deal?

Looks to me the line has already been crossed :2 cents:

Can you please give us a little better time frame for when Today you will be posting the proof in full?

lol you da man :winkwink:

Well I am not using any company stats that look like that.

My guess is this is one of the packages that everyone is using

I remember long time ago when these stats packages came out right on their website they had shave option showing as a selling feature to companies looking to buy their stats.

I wont say what company stats package that was but it was eventually removed from their selling features listed on the website.

and does the offend program post here?

Yeah sort of, but that won't matter when I post the whole thing. Webmasters will be able to look up their own stats and compare.

The question is what do they have their settings at. As one software company correctly claims, programs don't shave, Sponsors do.

They don't have to turn it on. People buy these packages because they need cascading billing or other features.

Ok cool, then could you do me a favor and post it now? I have some shit to do this afternoon and I don't want to miss it. :)

In this case the shave is about 50-65%.

Gee I really wish there were some way I could know how productive my traffic was without having to rely on a sponsor to tell me...especially if it were all reduced to a handily, easily comparable metric, like CPM or something...oh well dare to dream.

Just fuckin' with ya, Rick.

It's a short sponsor name at least :)

Monday would be the big day...

I think today we will find out exactly nothing.

This thread is getting boring.

Come on dude, you had 4 pages of shit already, today you would expose the sponsor.

Posting half a screen with everything censored out isnt exactly exposing.