In Los Angeles, violent crimes and crime in general has gone up because of the fuck the police mentality. It sounds good in a rap song but when you need the help and cops are reluctant to step in for fear of their job and career. If I where a cop I would rather avoid any situation that may cost me my job.
Fuck Bernard Parks (LAPD police chief) and the former Gray Davis administration, my neighborhood is less safe thanks to them.

After watching the video it does look to me like the cops continued to pound the guy after he was down ala Rodney King.

I have personally witnessed cops hitting and macing people with sticks AFTER they were subdued and held down. It happens for sure; I have seen it.

I understand about fear and adrenelan but we need to train cops to back off when people are on the ground, nothing wrong with kicking people's asses but once down and unarmed I would think two cops with nightsticks and guns could back off and give them another chance to surrender.

it looked to me that he was just throwing them around...i didn't see an actual punch..seemd like he was just grabbing them and tossing them.

still wrong though...if the cops show up, it is time to be nice.

i dont think they needed to jab him so many times with the stick.

but then again 400lb guys can usually take a beating and keep going

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Set phaser on STUN, biatch!

Man what a fat fuck. He probably would have died in two months anyway from high cholesterol.

We could not see what was happening when he was on the ground though. That doesn't mean he was under control. At that time, there were only like 2 cops there. That guy was gonna fight to the end!

Next time that happens, maybe they should call Tootie, and maybe she will bring him some tea and crumpets, and he will just agree to go to jail.

I think that we need to take everybody for a week and put them in a bad neighborhood with a vest, uniform and a badge (otherwise known as a bullet magnet), and see how fast their opinions change. Think about what it's like to walk around with a piece of metal on your shirt that makes you a target for every gang member, bad ass, and scumbag around to hate you and want to hurt/kill you. Try imagining it, and think about how you would feel, training or no training. I love how easy everybody thinks it would be.:2 cents:

this is exactly what i said, this guy was down and they CONTINUED to hit him, if they cant control their stress level, they not worth to be police officer, i mean, why they just dont back off, and told him to not move, that he was under arrest or something like that

i know US police are more agressive than canadian one, but i hope those will be thrown in jail, or at least, will end guardian in a mail ;P

I could care less if a few gang members or crack heads get the shit kicked out of them. They dont belong in our society anyways. If having safer streets, means to kick some gangster ass, so be it. 145 lbs or 400 lbs fuck em all.

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Tootie - I really don't mean to personally attack you, but think about it.

If one of your children was kidnapped, the 1st phone call you would make would be the police. And it's easy to say you would give your life before letting someone else die, but that is just crazy. Would you tell the cops not to kill the son-of-a-bitch who just took your child, even if he was about to put a bullet in your child's head???

And, the death penalty has nothing to do with what we are talking about. Killing the person who killed you would not bring you back. BUT, killing some druggie just before he killed you would be something totally different. It is called protecting yourself.

he continued fighting, he was never down and under control.


I sure wouldnt want the task of trying to control a 400lb man thats higher than a fucking kite.


race has nothing do with it. thats ridiculous.

LMAO they didn't use EXCESSIVE force. Shit happen live with it . I can kill you with 1 punch if I hit at the wrong place.

That fat fucker probably had a heart attack, it's not the policemen that are at fault. :2 cents:

From watching the video, I have to agree. They could have EASILY sprayed him with pepper spray or shocked him to the ground.. yet they chose the beat the shit out of him with their night sticks until he stops moving? I don't get it... :2 cents:

I can tell by alot of the comments alot you never worked as bouncers lol.

First if someone is that high on drugs and in a rage, kicking them in the nuts ,hitting them in the face,pepper spray does nothing more than piss them off.

With someone that big and that enraged you are going to keep hitting him to make sure that motherfucker doesnt get back up.

Policemen put their lives on the line so we can sleep at night for shit pay. I cant blame them one scumbag too many took a swing at them and they went off. Rodney king was a piece of shit , 99% of these people that get abused by the police have a record a mile long.

I am sorry to protect others from animals you have to be a animal.

Now stun guys are dangerous, I know a cop who told me people get killed with stun guns every year dont know they have a heart problem . Stun them and they are dead, probably because of his size they didnt use a stun gun.

it looks like those cops got a old fashion ass whooping.

I'd like to see the whole tape.

I guess the point that I wanted to make isn't whether or not the cops used excessive force, that isn't my determination to make. I guess the point that I really want to get across is that he didn't deserve to die. Maybe the police really thought they had no choice, and NO, I don't think the cops were specifically trying to kill him. But he didn't deserve to die just because he was stupid enough to take drugs and he took a few swings at officers.

The police may very well NOT be at fault here, but it is still VERY sad to me see that a man died and NO, he didn't deserve it. Maybe he deserved to get the living shit kicked out of him, but he didn't deserve to die. It was probably and accident, it was tragic, and it saddens me to see that people think he deserved to die.

This is completely different than what you have been saying.

I see your point. I don't know what I would do if one of my children's lives were at stake. I know that I "personally" would rather die than be the cause of someone else's death, but that is just me, and my life, and my opinion.

I know the police were more than likely not trying to kill the guy, but I do think it is very sad that the guy was killed. :(

Yes, you are right. I didn't come across anything like what I intended to say. I guess I was caught up in the tragedy of it all.

I've worked with dozens of cops in my life, both LA Sherrifs and LAPD. They are good people to start with buts its the very people they protect that drive them over the edge. LAPD cop once told me "You can only raid some many crack houses and rescue a malnurished child laying in thier own feces before you break." That was the first day of his stress leave. And his third year of PTS counciling.
Our communities need to stop attacking cops.

i can´t find a post saying "he deserves to day" nobody here said that .

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I will agree that it was sad that he died. But I still think he deserved what he got. He could have killed one of those cops, and it would have been WAY more sad if one of them had died.

word...

I tended/backup bounced before in the early 90's, and had more than a few out of control patrons to deal with. One of them was a big fucker like this guy, easily over 400 lbs, and it took 6 of us to get him out of the bar. But once a guy like that is enraged, you gotta bring him down because he's not gonna stop. And when the big fricken door bouncers are getting waxed and three bartenders gotta jump over the bar to help, that fucker is definately goin' down.

Don't feel sorry for that fucker. He brought it on himself.

hahahaha

jennym said "Bottom line...he got what he fucking deserved!"

Maybe she didn't mean it the way she said it, either. But I guess that is what shocked me more than anything else. I don't think the man was trying to murder the cops. If he was high and attacking them, and if he had really wanted to kill them then one of them would probably be dead. I think this is all just a tragic accident and he made a horrible mistake by taking the drugs and he probably didn't realize what he was doing when he was attacking the officers.

I would have shot him in the leg

Why didnt they just Tazar gun his ass? I wonder how many volts it takes to bring down 400lbs.

"He wasnt trying to murder one of the cops" How the fuck do you know that? This wasnt some pillar of society, the cops are picked on because he was black. To me the black community instead of condemning the white cops, they should be apologizing for the behavior of the people in their community. Thats what makes me crazy its always the white cop was a racist not Homer was a piece of shit no matter what color he was. You never hear people say roll up the windows we are in a jewish neighborhood, maybe those black communites have to start taking responsiblity for the members of their communities actions.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh What a movie driven culture we have! What happens if you miss the bone? (Thats' assuming that you hit his leg with him thrashing around). The round will go through his leg and riccochee off of the floor and go wizzing off to hit which bystander? (and by the way, using a gun is considered "deadly force" and as a cop you get in HUGE trouble for that unless you have cause to think that the perp is potentially life threatening to you or another)

Let me clarify - He got exactly what he deserved!!!

Yes, it was very sad. But, HE CHOSE to use drugs, HE CHOSE to act in a way that the cops had to be called, HE CHOSE to attack the men that are there to protect us, and HE CHOSE to fight to the end. Yes it is sad that the end was the end of his life, but he could have CHOSEN to stop at any time, and he would be alive today!

1) What would that have done? He still isn't restrained. Now he's just bleeding all over.
2) I'd bet the odds of someone dying from a bullet in the leg is much higher than a scuffle.
3) Close quarters, who wants to have their gun open while a mad man is running about?

BEATEN to death:(

i don't think some of the people on this board grasp that concept

Oh please!! Now, I will be the first to admit (I don't think anybody can deny) that some cops are racist and do things wrong. But what do you think cops would have done if he was white?

not to that extent. im sure he would have been handled and had his ass kicked but not to the level that this guy was. i've seen whites and blacks get their ass beaten(mainly after the clubs) and there is a difference the way police handle things.

odd how the pepper spray wasnt used until after he was on the ground.

unless you are like the black guy on green mile things are very hard when you have to deal with such large person. Without having seen the scene of the event you can't tell if he was beaten to death, had health issues and so on.

not all cops have these. I was cop for 5 years and never had one. This wasn't 1936 either it was less than a year ago. A lot of departments are not wanting to use these for the potential of lawsuits. Imagine that..

nap - I can totally understand what you are saying. But, that does not mean that EVERY time this happens it is just dickhead cops. As far as the pepper spray goes, the cop that sprayed it had JUST arrived on the scene. I'm sure it is kind of hard to decide which to grab first when some wired out 400lb druggie is attacking you.

That's when your susposed to use it. Less of a chance it comes back in your face. What good is the cop if he can't open his eye's because the spary blew back at him?

Stop. These logical reasons just don't make sense. Enough already.

this guy deserved to have the living shit kicked out of him for attacking a cop, no doubt. hell had i been one of the cops i would have pulled out my gun and shot his fat ass in the leg then whaled on him. the fact that he died is just a result of his stupidity but its still sad. i'm not justying what the guy did, he deserved to be taken down, but i have to ask the question why is this always happening to minorities? when was the last time you heard of a white guy getting beat to death or abused by police?

lol , y'all fools make me laugh

You read the police reports?

We're talking about the media and activist groups here. Nobody cares if a white guy gets killed by a white guy. Do you care? I sure as hell don't. People care about black guys getting killed by white guys because it creates mass controversy. The media, the activist groups, NAACP, all have something to gain by creating a fuss over a black guy getting shot.

What's there to gain by creating a fuss about a white guy getting shot? He's just another junkie.

As I said earlier, it just happened to someone I know. Again, he was asking for it as well. The difference is, the news didn't cover it, because he wasn't black.

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