Was like that when Clinton was in office as well.........:Graucho

If you approach five people that you know are friends and you know that John is the leader of the group...and as the leader he asks the other four..."Do you think I should tell CDSmith that he cannot walk on this side of the street?" and all four say yes...does it sound logical that you will dislike the leader but only find the other four "pathetic" or "idiots"? If so then your thought process is different than mine...as I would equally dislike them all.

I guess that depends on if the leader was holding pieces of paper in a folder in his hand saying "CDSMITH has WMD's! Don't let him cross the street" and the 4 guys went "Wow? really? Let's bomb him!"

Then yeah, I'd pity them for being idiots.

can I have your xbox, theking?

While he is my President he is far from "precious" in my view. I am not a Republican...I did not vote for him...I will not vote for him. As for the rest of your post...you are not psychic...really you are not...so do not pretend to know me.

You would hate them for being mislead?

You truly are sad and pathetic.

Oh well, dead thread. Bye.

quick, someone tell theking's mommy he's doing crack again!

Really...in that scenario...I would dislike the other four more than I would dislike the leader. I find your statement to be illogical...and BS.

Your scenario was not properly presented...which is understandable.

The fact is that approximately 50% of the people are aware that WMD's may not ever be found...they are aware of all of the legislation that the Presdient has signed...they are aware of all of the things that you apparently hate the President for...but they still like the President and his policies...thus...at least in my thought process...it is logical that you would hate those that support him...since they are just as aware of events as you are.

In addition...the President may very well be elected by those that you "pity" but you will continue to hate him and not those that re-elect him? If so...I say BS.

I really don't expect you to ever understand the way of thinking that the majority of the world has... that would require you to be sane.

You're clearly not. Stop talkign to me now, ok? Go back to your hole in the sand. You are boring the hell outta me now.

I think I told you that you are not psychic...no matter what those voices in your head tell you...you are not psychic...really...it is really true...so you can only pretend to know me.

You have not been...nor will you ever be...in a position to give me orders. :321GFY

oh, I see your problem now, you don't know how to read. That puts things into light.

But you're still getting more and more boring. I think it's impossible to prove to people any more than this, that you truly are retarded. You're so caught up with having the last word that you will say just about anything no matter how bad it makes you look.

So anyway. you said you are 45? And you're still living at home? That's pretty sad man. I think it's about time you went to school or something... tried to branch out. It's not as scary as you think. Phonix man.... learn it, live it, love it :winkwink:

Your analogy isn't exactly a parallel now is it? No, not even close. The president, while elected by just over 50% of the US population, does not ask that population what he should or shouldn't do. His decisions are made in times of world crisis not on the opinions of those who support him but rather they are made based on all available intelligence reports, on the advice of his expert military officials, and on his own character.

So yes, in that light one certainly CAN dislike the man without necessarily hating all those who elected him.

i got gas.

Well "man"...I read just fine...thank you very much. After the 1st Gulf war ended my military career...I attended University...thank you very much. I sold my home down south and moved up north to care for my "mother" after her husband died...as she does not have good health. Factually though it is zero business of yours what I do or do not do...so run along kid and play with the other kids.

Gentlemen.... if we're going to continue any sort of conversation here, let's leave off the personal shit. I'm not suggesting anyone be "captain of the debate team" or anything, but let's at least make an effort for the sake of the holiday.


Otherwise I'll gladly move along.

Under 50%. Gore got half a million more votes than Bush.

Already moved along... I said my part after his "voices in your head" crack... once someone pulls that kinda crap, I make my final post and be done with it. I don't need to talk to children.

Oh, and Mr. Fiction is correct, Bush never got 50% of any votes made by the people.

He cannot act without the representives of the people...members of the House and Senate giving him the power to do so and they did this in overwhelming numbers...power to use the military "in whatever way he deems appropriate". The peoples representatives would not have done this in overwhelming numbers without first testing the wind in their districts and the wind tested approximately 70% in favor of the President.

Approximately 50% of the people still support President Bush and they are aware of all of the legislation that he has signed...of all of the events...failures or otherwise. In addition the President may very well be elected again...but there will be those that will continue to hate him but not hate those that support his policies and re-elect them...and that is outside of my thought process.

To say that...they no not what they do...to say they are pathetic...to say they are to be pitied...to say they are just brainwashed fools...but then say I like them and just hate their President...I think is just BS.

I give you my permission...you are dismissed.

Ok Mcarthy wtf, last time I checked Bush himself praises the first ammendment and freedom of speech, etc. Isn't freedom the reason we're supposed to be in Iraq? Go get a clue Hitler.

You definitely are persistant in nailing down the small niggling disagreements, I'll give you that.

Sorry, I possess the capacity to dislike someone's politics without actually disliking the person. I'm pretty much done hashing over this point.



I stand corrected on the 50% thing. Whatever, the man was elected somehow.

Hmm...I excercised my freedom of speech...did I not...and people can read...and are free to make a decision...are they not...so I hope that you are not begruding me my freedom of speech...thank you very much.

hahaha... that's my opinion exactly, no point in talking to theking about this any longer.

Oh, and it was the electoral college, not the popular vote that won Bush's big plushy seat in the whitehouse. That and some very interesting choices of communities to not take ballots from... not to mention ballot designs.

Again, sorry to keep on this, but to my knowledge.... in times of EXTREME world crisis of a military nature, the president can and has acted first, without stopping to ask "the people" if it is okay to do so. You expect me to believe that if there were ballistic missiles hurtling towards the US that GeeDubya would trot his ass over to congress and ask their permission to defend? Approval rating is important in times like this Iraq crisis, yes, but I beleive that certain events would have happened and certain actions taken regardless of a 70% approval or a 40% approval. As I said earlier, sometimes a president has to act on behalf of his country regardless of what the uninformed population thinks. Unless one is privy to all the intelligence information that he is, one IS basically talking out of their ass when criticizing the president.

Don't be sorry...as I too possess the capacity to dislike someone's politics without actually disliking the person. I do not like many of the Presidents policies...and do not agree with most Republican platforms...but I do not hate the President...those that agree with him or those that are Republicans. If I were to develop a hatred for the President...in my case at least...I would hate the people that like and support him as well...and it is just beyond my understanding how you can hate the one man but not hate the ones...that like and support him and will vote to re-elect him.

You are correct...the War Powers act allows the President to engage the military...without the Congress giving any further approval...but only for a period of 90 days.

heh, Iraq was taken in what.... under 60?

This thread seems to have mostly turned away from the real topic. The politics or like or dislike of bush to me is nothing, everyone has an opinion and they are entitled to it. But to wish him dead is another thing entirely....

24 days...but if the President had not gotten the approval of Congress he could not have the troops there now...providing Congress did not give additional approval to do so. Personally I think the War Powers act gives the President to much power because he can engage our forces...and then a President can use many powerful arguements as to why he cannot or should not withdraw military forces...so once the forces are engaged...the Congress would probably be recluctant to order a withdrawal.

The Congress did cut one President off at the knees during the Vietnam era...as they voted to end all funds for any further engagement in Vietnam. President Nixon had made an agreement with the Republic of South Vietnam...that if the North did not abide by the treaty that was agreed to when the US withdrew our forces...that he would use our Air Power to bring the North to its knees...as he did during the 11 day 24/7 bombing that brought the North to the peace table in the first place. Because of the vote in Congress the President could not abide by the agreement.

theking's xbox should come with a couple of military game titles

She apologized for that 2 pages ago.


Thrice.

Apparently you missed the part where I apologized.

how many people have you wished dead through-out your life?

are you joking? You think everyone who supports Bush are aware of ALL the legislation he has signed?

I'm not a big fan of the man but I don't want to see him dead (or any more unfortunate deaths for that matter).:2 cents:

It seems some of my points aren't getting through to some of you,

so.....



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All...was an unfortunate choice of words.

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