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hyatla

Go take economics 101. Economy has its own cycle. American economy has been at the bottom for 2-3 years, with all the job cuts and production reduction, of course the economy will recover.

Government's job is try to make the recover comes as early as possible, and what Bush admistration only made things worse.

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Rocky

never mind his second term

still waiting to see if Bush can actually win his first election by votes

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Rich

It's more a fascist dictatorship you guys have become, but your point stands.

NBDesign

Very true... but could not spell fascist.... lol...

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Yes, in fact the Bush administration called him obsessed with terrorism when they took over.

StuartD

Hahaha... very true.

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Rich

lol, no shit. I still can't believe that he stole the White House and it wasn't the biggest media scandal of all time. They covered that one up pretty fast. What's more amazing is that the people just let it happen. You Americans could learn a thing or two from Georgia.

Smokey The Bear

What the fuck kind of economics have you been taking. LOL

America has been at the "bottom" for 2-3 years ? What planet do you live on .

Stop feeding these ignorant people.

Sounds like the ignorant garbage the aussies were on about the other day complaining about america's low dollar and how much the aussie dollar has risen.

What exactly do you sell in australia ? besides porn ,kangaroo furs and crocodile meat ? You have no industry and your economy is in the shitter.

Smokey The Bear

America doesnt need any lessons from any third world craphole , thats why they are the biggest and most powerfull nation on earth.

Bush didnt steal the election it was a close election that, either way the winner would have been accused of cheating.

The media coverage was intense and in no way was it slanted towards the republicans as the media is not on that wing. They tried their hardest to make it a scandal , and in the end realised it can only hurt america to keep on blabbing about something that is over and done with.

The previous democrats would never have been re-elected as they were pulling down scams left and right.

Ever heard of marc rich ? Ever wonder why you would pardon a thief ?

Both parties have assholes in power, in america we have learned to try and find the best of the worst. Not the worst of the worst.

who

I want a Bill W. Clinton next.

NBDesign

Agreed... HE didn't steal it.. it was fixed for him by his brother the gov. Sorry, EVERY vote should have counted, NONE should have been tossed. Chad, Chub or what ever the hell they were calling them.

Bush is an IDIOT, plain and simple... he ran every business he ever had control over right into the ground... now he is doing the same to our country.

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Smokey The Bear

It was chad, and regardless its a moot point now. As i stated ,they both tried to cheat and it was a close race. Regardless of who won it would have been called a cheat by the opposition party.

Bush may be an idiot , but that usually goes without saying when we are referring to presidents.

The world is having problems and the usa in no exception to these problems. I dont agree with many of the moves bush has made, but at the current time he is doing the best anyone in his position could do ( normal people aside as normal people dont get to be president , that would make to much sense .)

Of all the political leaders we have , who would you rather be running the country ?

People rarely vote anymore. If you took all the people who didnt vote in the last election and let them pick a choice it would be a shoe-in.

Personally although very silly to admit i almost wish we had voted in ross perot 2 rounds ago.

sacX

uh Australia's economy is one of the best performing in the world at the moment. Typical lying asshole

NBDesign

Yea, I liked little Ross lol

Yea, the world is having problems... We have had them in the past and will have them in the future. Hell, no politician really cares about the public, they only do just enough to get elected/re-elected. None of the leaders ever have kept their campagin promises, hell, look at daddy bush when he said "Read my lips, No new taxes". Then what, new taxes.

Little Bush is the offspring of daddy bush, the people should have known the nut does not fall far from the tree, but at least daddy bush knew how to run a business... GW ran every busines he ever had control over into the ground, so we elect him to do the same to the country.

Sorry, this country is in sad shape and is really not getting any better. It may till the election is over, then it will be back to shit again.

Agree or not, you cannot ignore the facts, Regan, Bush and Bush did nothing for this country except hurt it. Clinton was not that much better, but I would rather see a president getting blowjob than a president creating new agencies to invade my privacy.

Think they are not watching your internet? Think again. They are watching EVERYONE right now. Speak of revolution, or some other unthinkable act and see how fast they come knocking down your door.

Fuck the rest of the world, we need to mind our own fucking business, if someone brings the fight here, then we fight back.

For example.... I think you have something of mine but have no real proof, just hearsay of others... so I invade you home and kill your two children... is that right?

I am not saying that saddam and his sons were angels... hell they were bad men, but they did nothing to us that would justify war. They may have weapons and may use them on us is not good enough. That is their country, how they treat their people is their business, we are not the worlds police.

I cannot see how anyone can think this man is doing a good job. Not anyone with half a brain anyway.

Can't we just once get a leader in office that does not care about the power, money or status and will do what is right for the people? There has to be someone out there that is still honest. I mean the whole world can't be corrupt... can it?

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PS - The only thing I have against Clinton.. ok 2 things...

1. Lying to the american public on national tv about the affair.

2. allowing that damn tobacco lawsuit to happen. Sorry, they should have penalized the tobacco comapnies and not the end user. They lied about it's safety, we didn't yet we suffer these high prices... What a crock of shit. Hell, I ahve been smoking for over 22 years.. I read the label before I started... I knew it could be dangerous to my health... fuck that asshole and that fucking lawsuit!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Other than that, I think he did a good job.

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the same ones clinton ignored? bin laden? the guy that clinton could have destroyed but decided not to? that one?

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Centurion

Actually those laws were passed by a Republican Senate.
The courts ruled them un-constitutional. The Clinton administration decided NOT to appeal that decision.

Rich

Accused, sure, the only thing is it would be lying if you said it about Gore. Bush's brother and his Dad's buddies on the Supreme Court handed him the election. I don't agree with you on much but I get the feeling you aren't stupid, like most Bush supporters are, so I'm going to assume that deep down under all the talk radio propaganda spewing out of your mouth, you know that's true.





You've got to be fucking kidding me. What media were you watching, CBC or BBC? You're obviously not talking about Fox News, CNN, MSNBC, or any of the American networks.



yeah Marc Rich is in the same league as good 'ol Kenny boy, keep believing that. You think Lay is going to see a day in prison? If you believe that I have some swampland to sell you. I think you summed up this issue down here...
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Bush is the worst of the worst of the worst, and anyone who can't see that is either:

a) stupid
b) blind
c) in denial

or of coarse

d) Barbra Bush.

Show me where Clinton killed more Americans, did more damage to our planet, had more nations pissed off the USA, put more Americans out of work and on the street, put you in greater dept to the international banks, or did anything worse that Bush besides get a fucking blowjob that the repressed "Christian" Republicans can't seem to get over, and I'll bend over and kiss Bush's greedy ass.

bhutocracy

smokey you are a goddamn idiot.
i didn't see that other thread but this comment makes you look like an ignorant joke.

Smokey The Bear

Another person who responds without reading the threads. I can uderstand you might get offended when i mention australia, as your an australian, but what i said about australia still stands. And to add to that , it seems most of the people that gripe about george dubya, are only doing so because their country is in the shitter and who else to blame but the most powerfull rich nation on earth. I dont blame you for feeling that way , i can only point out the facts as they stand and not dirty the water with personal feelings, such as jealousy or hatred.

Australia is a beautifull place, great continent, and even though the bloodilines may not be so pure, a great bunch of people, with a political power that usa needs to take lessons from.

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Smokey The Bear

Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

Bush didnt steal the election it was a close election that, either way the winner would have been accused of cheating.

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Im not a bush supporter im someone who takes the facts and learns from them. And reports when i see lies or obvious mis-truths, such as the above.

Anyone with a sane mind can agree the election was so twisted to the american public that by the time it was over , it was in the best results of the public and america to go with what we had, And that was a close race decided by a very few amount of people.

Trust me the democrats tried every trick in the book to try and make it look like a conspiracy, but in the end the facts didnt work like that. If it boiled down to the chads, then bush won regardless of what way you want to look at it. The ACTUAL amount of votes thrown out didnt/wouldnt have affected the totals.


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Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

The media coverage was intense and in no way was it slanted towards the republicans as the media is not on that wing.

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All of the above and more. The news media is/was generally
democrat oriented, so it wouldnt make sense that they tried to cover it up for bush as it wouldnt help them in any way ?

All they talked about at the time was bush and how he was cheating the american public , yet public opinion is not always swayed by prejudice information.






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Originally posted by Smokey The Bear

Ever heard of marc rich ? Ever wonder why you would pardon a thief ?

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In 1983, Rich was indicted in federal court of evading more than $48 million in taxes. He was also charged with 51 counts of tax fraud and with running illegal oil deals with Iran during the hostage crisis. These deals resulted in american being killed

Clinton pardoned him for a $1 million dollar bribe made to the clinton party by marc rich's wife.



Bush hasnt done any of the things you mention. Unemployment hasnt really changed , the poverty levels in america havent really changed much , and debt hasnt really changed either.

Clinton got to ride an easy train as usa was not having the troubles they are now. These troubles were not created by bush they just happened to fall in his lap while he is in office.

For the record , i dont like bush much either, and would hope america feels the same when he goes up for re-election. BUT you cant make up false accusations to get your point across . PERIOD

Clinton got alot of americans killed , put us in alot of debt, and put lots of americans out on the street, So have all the presidents.

But you cant compare the 2 presidents that way. Clinton didnt have to deal with 9/11 he didnt have to deal with terrorism, he didnt have to deal with corporate honcho's stealing money from the public.

Sometimes you have to look at both the good and the bad and come to your own conclusions. Im just saying keep an open mind instead of blaming the USA and GEORGE BUSH for all the problems we have today.

Scootermuze

Hmm... "the government said"

Would this be the same government with a department (CIA) that gave false information to the president about Iraq related intelligence?

Or maybe the government that professed as having all sorts of proof to justify the Irag war... then shows none of this proof?

Ahhh... I'll definitely believe what they have to say about the economy..

Rictor

The government said.

The government said?

Of course the government said!

Like the government is going to say the economy is in the shitter.

Gemini

It was a Repub conspiracy that dropped that branch on your boat Headie!

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bhutocracy

no it doesn't. I really don't give a fuck about slagging australia off.. i do it myself sometimes.. but you're just plain wrong, which i can't stand.


Australia?s economy was judged the most resilient in the world (1)
Australia has an average economic growth of around 3.5% in the last five years, with a forecast growth of 3.2% for 2003, compared to OECD average of 1.9%.
The Australian political environment is ranked as the most stable in the world (1)
Australia has an open, transparent and efficient regulatory environment
Australia has a welcoming, open and direct approach to foreign direct investment
(1) Source: 2002 International Institute for Management Development (IMD) World Competitiveness Yearbook.


Australia?s dynamic Information and Communications Technology (ICT) Industry is one of the most innovative and dynamic sectors of the Australian economy making it a great place to do business and a logical target for your business..

Australia?s ICT industry is a technically sophisticated market that is easy to penetrate, and provides a natural gateway to the fast-growing Asian market.

Australia is the third largest ICT market in Asia Pacific, after Japan and China.
Australia is the 11th largest ICT market in the world.
Australia ranks fourth in ICT spending as a percentage of GDP.
Each year Australia imports around US$10 billion in ICT goods and services.
The Australian ICT industry accounts for around eight per cent of gross domestic product.
The Australian ICT industry has a sustained average annual growth rate approaching 12% over the last 5 years - more than 2.5 times the average growth rate of the Australian economy and producing AUD$50 billion of goods and services in 2001/02.

Australians are amongst the most sophisticated and intensive users of ICT in the world, ranking as leaders in the adoption of leading-edge ICT applications.

Australia ranks among the top countries in the world measured by standard business and policy indicators, including network digitisation, penetration of personal computers and Internet host density.
In May 2001 Australia was second to the United States in the Economist Intelligence Unit's "E-business Readiness Rankings".
Four out of every five Australian businesses use computers, just under three in every five access the Internet, and one in every six has a website.
Australian homes, businesses and government house the world?s 8th largest installed base of PCs, at over 12.5 million nationally.
Over 50% of the population has Internet access at home.

As Australia's leading business and finance centre, Sydney, the home of CeBIT Australia, has the largest concentration of ICT companies in the country.

According to Fortune magazine, Sydney was the second best city in Asia-Pacific to do business at the end of 2000.
Sydney?s economic size is estimated at approximately US$100 billion, which represents 25-30 percent of Australia?s total economic activity. This is equivalent to the economic size of Singapore and about half that of Hong Kong.
More than 275 global corporations have already chosen Sydney as their regional headquarter.


Fastest growing developed economy for the past five years,with 3.8 per cent GDP growth in 2002.n
3.0 per cent forecast for 2003.n15th largest economy in the world, and 4th largest in Asia.n
Ranked 7th in the world on GDP per capita, up from 15th in 1990.n
Productivity gains in the 1990s outstripped the US.n
Impressive record of policy reform - open markets, deregulation ofkey sectors, tax and labour market reforms.n
Second only to the US in the 2001 ?e-readiness? survey by theEconomist Intelligence Unit. One of the six fastest growing ?neweconomies? by the OECD.n
Highly skilled, multilingual workforce with 25 per cent of peoplespeaking a language other than English at home.n
Australia has high standards for environmental protection andlabour rights.n
Transparent, highly developed and effective systems of governmentand corporate regulation

for the 15th largest economy to be pumped out by a measely 20million people we're doing alright. Im sorry you're so wrong.

dropped9

Always thinking of the cock drav... Things never change...

dropped9

Say it aint so! LOL

Jman69

The US dollar keeps dropping, I suppose its a good time to buy scripts and content.

US dollar used to equal 1.5 CAN
now the US dollar equals 1.3 CAN

dropped9

Exactly Clinton didnt do shit... Well expect maybe get some ass while he could...

dropped9

I keep telling everyone... Clinton was to busy playing tonsil hockey with monica to make any descion with a clear head...

nofx

i still hate him

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Bush huh?

All he had to do before invading Iraq was say "Look, we feel that Iraq poses a major threat to the US but we abide by the WILL of the United Nations and world community"

Think of the respect and cooperation he would have received if he played that card. How many nations would have stood with him and then kept the heat on IRAQ. Instead, invasion, chaos, millions more hate us. Those that used to defend us have also lost their faith.

His administration wanted Iraq from the beginning. They used Sept 11th as an excuse. US soldiers are dying because they wanted to take care of unfinished business.

That doesn't mean I don't think the iraqis are the most ungrateful bastards this world has ever seen.

The economy? That flows along regardless of who is in the administration. Ever hear of a cycle?

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dropped9

Just admit it... The UN doesnt have any balls and never will...

Centurion

and your point is.......................................??

Bush invading Iraq shows HE has balls????

dropped9

Yeah just like Clinton showed who was the real pussy when he didnt nail bin laden when he had the chance...

Centurion

Ok..since you seem to posses so much classified intelligence, just when WAS IT that Clinton failed to nail Bin Laden?

shermo

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dropped9

dropped9

LOL yeah baby... I'm CIA... HAHAHA

I dont know where the article is but... It did come out that Clinton had the chance and didnt take it...

StuartD

So.... by that reasoning... if Hitler were alive today, it would be perfectly fine for Hitler to start taking over Europe again because it shows that he has balls and the UN doesn't.

Perhaps Hitler's fatal flaw back in the 40's was that he forgot to tell the world that he had undeniable proof that France had weapons of mass destruction

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dropped9

Don't spin what I said... All I said was the UN has no balls. Never did, never will... I never said that it justified the US war in Iraq. ;)

dropped9

Never mind the spin.... Comparing Hitler's nazi germany to the US is a fucking joke... Lets get real here folks...

StuartD

Perhaps... but I'm not really comparing them as people or in terms of world domination or anything.

ok, forget the name.... let's say there's some German commander over there, who decides one day that he wants France, and wants to keep his troops there owning the country pretty much, and sell up all of it's utilities to German companies.

The UN says no, but that German guy decides to go ahead and do it anyway.

Does the UN still lack balls?

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The National Debt has continued to increase an average of
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StuartD

dayum $6,933,004,538,058.86 is a big number!

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TheJimmy

you're assuming that by the time the info got to them as to where Osama was that he'd still be there....

he's been moving fast with no pre-announced itinerary for a while now...




just a thought ;-)

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dropped9

Dude this was pre-911... Bin laden wasnt a household name at the time... So he wasnt moving as fast as he is now...