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TheFLY · 11-17-2003, 01:33 PM

You all thought Opera would go away -- but it's just as popular as ever -- because of the powerful features. And this is only one of the "alternative" browsers out there besides Netscape.

You think it's only 1-2% that's not using MSIE -- but that's not accurate information because many non-MSIE users are surfing in MSIE emuation mode which means that the browser will identify itself as MSIE to the server -- this is usually more convenient because many websites block access if you aren't using MSIE (because they are too retarded to follow standards) -- if you don't push for standards -- you'll only fuck yourself in the end with more expensive, crappy software from the Microsoft monopoly.

Opera... 6,200,000 unique users worldwide.
US - 1,200,000
Europe - 2,500,000 (Germany - 1,245,000; UK - 250,000)
Japan - 985,000

User demographics
Over 70% use Opera more than 30 minutes per day
70% shop online
86% spend more than USD 100 per year online
58% have a college degree or higher
Over 50% work in the IT/computer industry

DarkJedi · 11-17-2003, 01:39 PM

Yeah Opera is okay.
Stupid name though. And all the features confuse me.

ZoiNk · 11-17-2003, 01:40 PM

A surprising number of people surfing porn do use opera. Mainly b/c it doesn't save the history of where you surf with a little check of the button. Everyone's under 1 window, so you can do 1 close to get everything including all the popups to disappear. Definitely use html standards, and your stuff won't look like crap or simply not show up in it! Good post man.
ZoiNk

Basic_man · 11-17-2003, 01:45 PM

Yeah! Opera is great, and it's a big part of the internet browser market now. And, it's not like Netscape who show the pages in a crappy fucked way!

FUCK NETSCAPE!!!

TheFLY · 11-17-2003, 01:45 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ZoiNk
A surprising number of people surfing porn do use opera. Mainly b/c it doesn't save the history of where you surf with a little check of the button. Everyone's under 1 window, so you can do 1 close to get everything including all the popups to disappear. Definitely use html standards, and your stuff won't look like crap or simply not show up in it! Good post man.
ZoiNk

True and you press F12 and you can turn off popups or click "Links" and leech an entire page of movies or pics with the "quickdownload" feature.

slapass · 11-17-2003, 01:51 PM

so with 6.2 mil you figure they are up to 2% of the sufer market? Not that I want to piss away 2% of my income but also not going to make me blow a gasket designing for them.

Sin_Boy · 11-17-2003, 01:51 PM

the following book is a great start for web designers.

designing with standards

loverboy · 11-17-2003, 02:24 PM

its really hard to create a site compatible site to at least 3 browsers, but i guess it now time to make it those changes.

StacyCat · 11-17-2003, 02:28 PM

How funny that im reading this in opera vs IE today :-)

I like opera, for two reasons, 1) the popup blocker, and 2) its not a memory and resource hog like IE is.

My design looks good in both IE and Opera. I hate netscape, so I dont care how it looks, but i design and code really simply, so it doesnt matter most of the time.

davidd · 11-17-2003, 02:53 PM

How many people using Opera buy memberships? Now that is the question. When you look at the OS combination with Opera too, you will see a large percentage of the Opera users are running Linux or FreeBSD. Which falls back to the same question, how many people with a Free OS and or Opera buy memberships.

Does not change the original point that your HTML should be flawless to begin with. Internet Explorer compensates for slopiness where as Mozilla and Opera do not.

For those wondering, on the above stats... No one buys who uses a Free OS with Opera and it is marginal (almost unmeasurable) those who purchase using Windows + Opera.

Mr. Porno King · 11-17-2003, 02:55 PM

If your browser identifies itself as MSIE, it's not my fault if MSIE code gets pushed to it.

DrGuile · 11-17-2003, 03:15 PM

Here is some real data:

Explorer 89.4%
Netscape 7%
unknown 1.7%
Microsoft URL Control 0.3%
Opera 0.1%
Googlebot 0.1%

And that over a very significant sample.

Nima · 11-17-2003, 03:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile
Here is some real data:

Explorer 89.4%
Netscape 7%
unknown 1.7%
Microsoft URL Control 0.3%
Opera 0.1%
Googlebot 0.1%

And that over a very significant sample.

according to what ? from where is this report?

DrGuile · 11-17-2003, 03:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nezster

according to what ? from where is this report?

Where do you think? From our own traffic stats.

davidd · 11-17-2003, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Nezster

according to what ? from where is this report?

Here are stats on a random domain that contains data from the following:

3. Time of first request Apr 8, 2003 23:12
4. Time of last request Nov 17, 2003 00:01

Browser Type Number of requests Number of page requests
1. MSIE 69,713,402 494,495
MSIE/6 56,447,022 354,057
MSIE/5 12,970,076 134,900
MSIE/4 291,897 5,450
MSIE/3 4,181 78
MSIE/2 38 5
MSIE/05 125 1
2. BigBrother 173,571 173,571
BigBrother/1 173,571 173,571
3. Xenu Link Sleuth 1.2d 233,016 94,084
4. Netscape 1,988,408 25,863
Netscape/7 1,444,199 10,568
Netscape/6 193,230 8,512
Netscape/4 322,673 6,305
Netscape/3 27,879 471
Netscape/2 76 4
Netscape/1 6 2
Netscape/8 1 1
5. Netscape (compatible) 368,207 11,651
6. Mozilla 856,284 7,728
Mozilla/1 669,453 4,907
Mozilla/0 30,814 529
Mozilla/M18 99 5
7. Opera 981,059 4,303
Opera/7 685,673 2,950
Opera/6 286,964 1,262
Opera/5 7,900 79
Opera/4 125 10
Opera/3 397 2
8. WebTV 214,513 2,014
WebTV/2 181,407 1,475
WebTV/1 33,106 539
9. Konqueror 12,245 1,498
Konqueror/3 12,191 1,495
Konqueror/2 54 3
10. InternetSeer.com 1,426 1,426

Mr. Porno King · 11-17-2003, 03:50 PM

Fuck that. Companies make money by pandering to their majority. America is built on fucking over the minorities, and it's made them the most powerful nation on the planet.

You wanna cater to the Opera market? Great! You can corner it in about 5 minutes cause nobody else gives a shit.

grumpy · 11-17-2003, 03:54 PM

Now post some keynumbers of IE users. Then look again...and think....is that percentage worth it. Doesnt mean your html sould be okay. But i think if you are an respectfull webmaster you html code is okay :-)

Juggernaut · 11-17-2003, 03:56 PM

First started using Opera because it was the only brower with intergrated pop-up technology that actually worked.

loverboy · 11-17-2003, 03:57 PM

as long as Macromedia incorporate this changes, then its easier for us all to make those site compliance, but for now, every one will find it difficult to adjust.

TheFLY · 11-17-2003, 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidd
How many people using Opera buy memberships? Now that is the question. When you look at the OS combination with Opera too, you will see a large percentage of the Opera users are running Linux or FreeBSD. Which falls back to the same question, how many people with a Free OS and or Opera buy memberships.

Does not change the original point that your HTML should be flawless to begin with. Internet Explorer compensates for slopiness where as Mozilla and Opera do not.

For those wondering, on the above stats... No one buys who uses a Free OS with Opera and it is marginal (almost unmeasurable) those who purchase using Windows + Opera.

I've registered it. IT's worth the money.

Ic3m4nZ · 11-17-2003, 04:05 PM

I prefer Mozilla

TheFLY · 11-17-2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile
Here is some real data:

Explorer 89.4%
Netscape 7%
unknown 1.7%
Microsoft URL Control 0.3%
Opera 0.1%
Googlebot 0.1%

And that over a very significant sample.

Where's that data from? Server logs?

TheFLY · 11-17-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DrGuile

Where do you think? From our own traffic stats.

Yeah so you're using hahahahahahahahahaha or your server logs -- I can press F12 in Opera and identify as Mozilla or MSIE or Opera -- I always surf as MSIE so I can get into my bank's website.

notjoe · 11-17-2003, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by davidd
How many people using Opera buy memberships? Now that is the question. When you look at the OS combination with Opera too, you will see a large percentage of the Opera users are running Linux or FreeBSD. Which falls back to the same question, how many people with a Free OS and or Opera buy memberships.

I think people run FreeBSD/Linux is a Desktop not because it is free but because it is by far more stable that M$ Windoze!

Juggernaut · 11-17-2003, 04:12 PM

I've always used http://www.thecounter.com/stats/ their users are broad; demographics wise, so it's a pretty good indicator.

11-17-2003, 04:13 PM

70% shop online
86% spend more than USD 100 per year online

wow!!!

Dirty F · 11-17-2003, 05:14 PM

Opera with hahahahahahahahahaha and flash turned off is awesome

Fast as hell, no popups, no shit.

Mr. Porno King · 11-17-2003, 05:28 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by notjoe

I think people run FreeBSD/Linux is a Desktop not because it is free but because it is by far more stable that M$ Windoze!

That's not the issue.. the issue is that less linux users buy porn membereships, cause they're not freakin morons like windows users. nobody said they were poor.

Rorschach · 11-17-2003, 05:30 PM

Opera is indeed the dog's bollocks.

Quote:

That's not the issue.. the issue is that less linux users buy porn membereships, cause they're not freakin morons like windows users. nobody said they were poor.

Damn straight!

11-17-2003, 01:33 PM	#1
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	6.2 million Opera users -- Design your websites to follow HTML standards! You all thought Opera would go away -- but it's just as popular as ever -- because of the powerful features. And this is only one of the "alternative" browsers out there besides Netscape. You think it's only 1-2% that's not using MSIE -- but that's not accurate information because many non-MSIE users are surfing in MSIE emuation mode which means that the browser will identify itself as MSIE to the server -- this is usually more convenient because many websites block access if you aren't using MSIE (because they are too retarded to follow standards) -- if you don't push for standards -- you'll only fuck yourself in the end with more expensive, crappy software from the Microsoft monopoly. Opera... 6,200,000 unique users worldwide. US - 1,200,000 Europe - 2,500,000 (Germany - 1,245,000; UK - 250,000) Japan - 985,000 User demographics Over 70% use Opera more than 30 minutes per day 70% shop online 86% spend more than USD 100 per year online 58% have a college degree or higher Over 50% work in the IT/computer industry

11-17-2003, 01:40 PM	#3
ZoiNk Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 2,370	A surprising number of people surfing porn do use opera. Mainly b/c it doesn't save the history of where you surf with a little check of the button. Everyone's under 1 window, so you can do 1 close to get everything including all the popups to disappear. Definitely use html standards, and your stuff won't look like crap or simply not show up in it! Good post man. ZoiNk __________________ "People can have the Model T in any color - so long as it's black." - Henry Ford

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Basic_man Programming King Pin Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Montreal Posts: 27,360	Yeah! Opera is great, and it's a big part of the internet browser market now. And, it's not like Netscape who show the pages in a crappy fucked way! FUCK NETSCAPE!!! __________________ UUGallery Builder - automated photo/video gallery plugin for Wordpress! Stop looking! Checkout Naked Hosting, online since 1999 !

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11-17-2003, 02:55 PM	#11
Mr. Porno King Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 146	If your browser identifies itself as MSIE, it's not my fault if MSIE code gets pushed to it. __________________ My Favorite Game

11-17-2003, 01:39 PM	#2
DarkJedi No Refunds Issued. Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: GFY Posts: 28,300	Yeah Opera is okay. Stupid name though. And all the features confuse me.

11-17-2003, 01:51 PM	#6
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	so with 6.2 mil you figure they are up to 2% of the sufer market? Not that I want to piss away 2% of my income but also not going to make me blow a gasket designing for them.

11-17-2003, 02:24 PM	#8
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	its really hard to create a site compatible site to at least 3 browsers, but i guess it now time to make it those changes.

11-17-2003, 02:28 PM	#9
StacyCat Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,167	How funny that im reading this in opera vs IE today :-) I like opera, for two reasons, 1) the popup blocker, and 2) its not a memory and resource hog like IE is. My design looks good in both IE and Opera. I hate netscape, so I dont care how it looks, but i design and code really simply, so it doesnt matter most of the time.

11-17-2003, 02:53 PM	#10
davidd Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 1,076	How many people using Opera buy memberships? Now that is the question. When you look at the OS combination with Opera too, you will see a large percentage of the Opera users are running Linux or FreeBSD. Which falls back to the same question, how many people with a Free OS and or Opera buy memberships. Does not change the original point that your HTML should be flawless to begin with. Internet Explorer compensates for slopiness where as Mozilla and Opera do not. For those wondering, on the above stats... No one buys who uses a Free OS with Opera and it is marginal (almost unmeasurable) those who purchase using Windows + Opera.

11-17-2003, 03:15 PM	#12
DrGuile Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 2,025	Here is some real data: Explorer 89.4% Netscape 7% unknown 1.7% Microsoft URL Control 0.3% Opera 0.1% Googlebot 0.1% And that over a very significant sample. __________________ LiveBucks / Privatefeeds - Giving you money since 1999 Up to 50% Commission! 25% Webmaster Referal Powered by Gamma

11-17-2003, 03:50 PM	#16
Mr. Porno King Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 146	Fuck that. Companies make money by pandering to their majority. America is built on fucking over the minorities, and it's made them the most powerful nation on the planet. You wanna cater to the Opera market? Great! You can corner it in about 5 minutes cause nobody else gives a shit. __________________ My Favorite Game

11-17-2003, 03:54 PM	#17
grumpy Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Holland Posts: 9,870	Now post some keynumbers of IE users. Then look again...and think....is that percentage worth it. Doesnt mean your html sould be okay. But i think if you are an respectfull webmaster you html code is okay :-) __________________ Don't let greediness blur your vision \| You gotta let some shit slide icq - 441-456-888

11-17-2003, 03:56 PM	#18
Juggernaut Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 753	First started using Opera because it was the only brower with intergrated pop-up technology that actually worked.

11-17-2003, 03:57 PM	#19
loverboy When it rains, it pours Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 20,609	as long as Macromedia incorporate this changes, then its easier for us all to make those site compliance, but for now, every one will find it difficult to adjust.

11-17-2003, 04:05 PM	#21
Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	I prefer Mozilla

11-17-2003, 04:12 PM	#25
Juggernaut Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Brisbane, Australia Posts: 753	I've always used http://www.thecounter.com/stats/ their users are broad; demographics wise, so it's a pretty good indicator.

11-17-2003, 04:13 PM	#26
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	70% shop online 86% spend more than USD 100 per year online wow!!!

11-17-2003, 05:14 PM	#27
Dirty F Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 59,204	Opera with hahahahahahahahahaha and flash turned off is awesome Fast as hell, no popups, no shit.