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Mr Pheer · 11-13-2003, 01:31 AM

100 Assault Rifles

Mr Pheer · 11-13-2003, 01:31 AM

bastard

Morgan · 11-13-2003, 01:32 AM

ak is for towelees who cant aim for a shit. (no need to try to aim with the ak).

colt, on the other hand.... accuracy.

Jimbo · 11-13-2003, 01:34 AM

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Originally posted by MrPheer
bastard

sorry dude, but your 4mins late

DarkJedi · 11-13-2003, 05:01 AM

You all talk about how good m16 is if you keep it nice and clean.
Of course it doesnt jam during practice shooting when you clean it after every use.

The thing jams when you're out in the desert or in the jungle. When there is war going on around and you simply dont have the time or mean to clean it. In the middle of the battle it gets some sand or some water inside and all of the sudden it stops working. Thats when it makes a difference.

maxjohan · 11-13-2003, 05:29 AM

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Originally posted by ikonworx
I have to go with the Saiga-12gauge as my choice of wepon. It has a detach grip btw is fucking awsome http://club.guns.ru/eng/sig12/4.htm
Even thou the ak47 kick ass and doesnt jam its not a very accurate for shooting I always been the shotgun type you can pick one of thos bad boys for 300.00 dollars.

Heres another shotgun to ad for you guys http://www.keepshooting.com/images/pms12griptext.jpg

I didn't know dangerous weapon was so cheap..

I go with the M-16 in counter strike..of course that's without sand

aaron · 11-13-2003, 05:45 AM

didnt read any of thread

fuck guns

$5 submissions · 11-13-2003, 05:46 AM

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theking · 11-13-2003, 05:46 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
You all talk about how good m16 is if you keep it nice and clean.
Of course it doesnt jam during practice shooting when you clean it after every use.

The thing jams when you're out in the desert or in the jungle. When there is war going on around and you simply dont have the time or mean to clean it. In the middle of the battle it gets some sand or some water inside and all of the sudden it stops working. Thats when it makes a difference.

It is a reliable weapon...even under adverse conditions. I have used the weapon in three different operations and it did not jam in any of the three...and I would not hesitate to take it into battle again. Even if it does jam...it is a simple matter of clearing it. In the Jessica Lynch incident...as I have pointed out in a previous post...they were supply troops and simply were not well trained in the use of weapons. If I remember correctly...during her interview it was mentioned that a .50 cal jammed...and the gunner could not clear it. As I further stated the Army should learn a lesson from this incident and put a priority on training non-combatant units to be more proficient in the use...and maintinance of weapons.

MixPhoto · 11-13-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
M-16s had all sorts of jamming problems during the Vietnam war. It was so bad that that US soldiers would often pick up & use AK-47s since they were more reliable.

30+ years later, I see the M-16 is still a jamming piece of shit.

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../lynch_book_18

"..Lynch dismisses early reports that she had engaged in a firefight with the Iraqis who ambushed the convoy. Like many soldiers in her company, the M-16 rifle she carried had jammed with grime and airborne sand. She fired no shots, she said.."

P.S.
US special forces are using captured AKs too.

katdaddy · 11-13-2003, 08:18 AM

didnt read this whole thread but has anybody seen the documentary m16 vs. ak47? In my opinion each weapon has its pluses and minuses but like everything else it depends on the individual who uses the weapon! M16 precise weapon vs. ak-47 more of a all around rifle easy to use!

who · 11-13-2003, 08:36 AM

Guns are cool.

I have a gun.

I am cool.

Veterans Day · 11-13-2003, 08:46 AM

I would take my M1 Carbine over those anyday. Talk about accuracy? 1 shot 1 kill

Buff · 11-13-2003, 02:39 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Of course a Pathfinder badge does not make one a member of the Army's Special Forces...nor does wearing a Ranger Tab...nor does wearing a Ranger Tab make one a member of Special Operations Forces. Many of the Army's Special Forces though...do wear a Pathfinder badge as well as A Ranger Tab.

Yes, I am aware -- I was in SF ;)

Badges I was authorized:

CIB
Halo
Scuba
Air Assault
Master Parachutist

Tabs:

Special Forces on top
Ranger in the middle
and of course Airborne on the bottom over the SF unit patch (I was 20th Group)

Usually only wore my SF tab over the airborne/sf patch and the CIB and airborne badge

Buff · 11-13-2003, 02:45 PM

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Originally posted by theking

It is a reliable weapon...even under adverse conditions. I have used the weapon in three different operations and it did not jam in any of the three...and I would not hesitate to take it into battle again. Even if it does jam...it is a simple matter of clearing it. In the Jessica Lynch incident...as I have pointed out in a previous post...they were supply troops and simply were not well trained in the use of weapons. If I remember correctly...during her interview it was mentioned that a .50 cal jammed...and the gunner could not clear it. As I further stated the Army should learn a lesson from this incident and put a priority on training non-combatant units to be more proficient in the use...and maintinance of weapons.

I disagree though. I hated the M16 and it has a built in forward assist for the bolt, which never really works anyway, because if you have keep pounding it to move the bolt forward, you know that shit ain't gonna fire -- that just indicates a design flaw to me.

I never really had a problem with the M4A1, which is pretty much the same wep only smaller, but the best weapon for reliabilty we use is the SAW. That mofo fires no matter what (maybe have to wipe off the feed tray once in a while, and it's more accurate for a point target than the M16. Try using the a mag with one round our a belt with one round and you'll see that bitch can hit a point way the fuck out there.

Mr Pheer · 11-13-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by DarkJedi
You all talk about how good m16 is if you keep it nice and clean.
Of course it doesnt jam during practice shooting when you clean it after every use.

The thing jams when you're out in the desert or in the jungle. When there is war going on around and you simply dont have the time or mean to clean it. In the middle of the battle it gets some sand or some water inside and all of the sudden it stops working. Thats when it makes a difference.

And where do you get your information from?

My M16 never jammed in Jungle Warfare School. Thats in the tropical rain jungles of Panama. Never, not once did it jam.

In October of 93 I was in a CONTINOUS 6 hour battle in Mogadishu. Thats a desert climate. Not 1 jam. Nada. Zip. Good thing or I probably wouldnt be here.

The only time I can remember my weapon jamming was during LightFighters school at Ft Drum, February of 91, its was -36F outside and too damn cold to be fighting or training anyway.

It was common routine for us to train to disassemble and reassemble our wepons blindfolded. And not just the M16, but the M60, M2 and Mk19.

How much experiance do you have with any weapon in a combat enviroment?

Veterans Day · 11-13-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by MrPheer

And where do you get your information from?

My M16 never jammed in Jungle Warfare School. Thats in the tropical rain jungles of Panama. Never, not once did it jam.

In October of 93 I was in a CONTINOUS 6 hour battle in Mogadishu. Thats a desert climate. Not 1 jam. Nada. Zip. Good thing or I probably wouldnt be here.

The only time I can remember my weapon jamming was during LightFighters school at Ft Drum, February of 91, its was -36F outside and too damn cold to be fighting or training anyway.

It was common routine for us to train to disassemble and reassemble our wepons blindfolded. And not just the M16, but the M60, M2 and Mk19.

How much experiance do you have with any weapon in a combat enviroment?

dude he has NO live experience, talkin out his ass. We used them in 30 below weather and if it did freeze up we just pissed on it and it was back in action

C-Bass · 11-13-2003, 03:53 PM

I have an MP-5

I looooooooooooooooooooooooove it

VideoVoyeur · 11-13-2003, 04:31 PM

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Originally posted by Buff

Hey bitch, listen up. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Forward observers are NOT special forces. I was in Special Forces from 1991-1997

OF COURSE YOU WERE.

It always seems when someone is losing an argument that HEY were one of the thing being argued about...

VideoVoyeur · 11-13-2003, 04:32 PM

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Originally posted by theking

I do not know what you think being a Pathfinder has to to do with being an FO. Pathfinders are Airborne and have specific functions.

"Originally established in England during WWII, the US army Pathfinder School is located at FT. Benning's Lillyman Hall. Potential pathfinders spend approximately three weeks learning and practicing their new skills. When the US Air Force assumed the combat air traffic control duties in 1951, the school was closed. In 1955, the school was reopened under the Airborne-Air Assault branch of the Infantry School. It continues to operate to this day. During the course students are taught basic air traffic control techniques; drop zone marking techniques; how to use computed air release points (CARPs); the ground marking release system; the Army Aircraft Verbal Initiated Release System and the proper use of the PIBALL weather balloon, to measure mean effective wind.

Today's Pathfinders are trained in airborne, small boat, vehicle, foot, and sometimes free fall infiltration techniques. These small four man teams may be parachuted in up to 72 hours in advance of the main assault force. They provide DZ/LZ surveys; site security; initial aircraft guidance, and mark and clear drop zones for follow-on forces. They are capable of engaging in demolition operations to clear DZ/LZ's of obstacles. If equipped with laser targeting devices (LTD) they may also designate targets of opportunity for air strikes. Pathfinders may be expected to coordinate aircraft movement, control parachute drops of personnel and equipment, conduct sling-load operations and provide initial weather information to commanders."

Show me one FO that isnt a pathfinder and Ill show you somoene who ISNT a FO.

VideoVoyeur · 11-13-2003, 04:42 PM

FO are people who are LONG in a zone before almost ANYONE else. They land even before the MPs and the Engineers do.

In desert Storm, while people sat comfortably back in camps, Forward observers were already over the line, marking off oil feilds and strategic targets.

Then later when field artillery opens up from 25 miles away, destroying targets with pinpoint accuracy, people are like "Oooh look, its the rangers."
Not.

3 people, 1 radio, Fire Support personnel, all either dropped in by parachute, or from Helos.

FO are responsible for making desicions in the field at a seconds notice. Do we need artillery, naval fire, or perhaps an air strike.

They do alot more then sit around and look pretty.

Adultnet · 11-13-2003, 05:07 PM

Ak47 is not better at all .. its also depands very much on the version of the guns...

smut4all · 11-13-2003, 05:10 PM

The M16's used in vietnam are different than the modern m16

PenisFace · 11-13-2003, 05:12 PM

The most accurate weapon I've ever had the pleasure of firing was a Canadian enfield rifle... Second would have to be the FN FAL, third would be the HK G3A3, and fourth would be the AK47..

The great thing about the AK47 is you can bury it, dig it up a year later, clean it, load it, and fire it... They're also fairly accurate considering they're so cheap to make.

I'd take the 47 over the 16, just because its notorious for being on the best guns ever made when it comes to not jamming in shitty situations..

partytime · 11-13-2003, 05:13 PM

Are the Russians still using AK-47's?

Roach · 11-16-2003, 01:41 AM

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Originally posted by partytime
Are the Russians still using AK-47's?

AK-74 and modifications

Buff · 11-21-2003, 07:42 AM

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Originally posted by VideoVoyeur

OF COURSE YOU WERE.

It always seems when someone is losing an argument that HEY were one of the thing being argued about...

How am I losing an argument? Forward Observers are not Special Forces. And, maybe you'd like to make a wager about whether or not I was Special Forces -- put up or shut your fucking cockholster, bitch.

Buff · 11-21-2003, 07:46 AM

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Originally posted by VideoVoyeur

Show me one FO that isnt a pathfinder and Ill show you somoene who ISNT a FO.

The Pathfinder School was shut down through most of the 90s, so I'm sure there are a lot of FOs who are not Pathfinders.

FIST, Forward Observers, Scouts, and all of those wannabes are not Special Forces. Deal with it. I already posted the link to SOCOM and it tells you about SOAR and Green Berets and Rangers, etc. Your little FO job ain't shit.

Now quit whining.

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