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Fuck man, it's been a few years since I had to mess with those, did I remember even half of that?


PS: Although the M-16 is bitchen for accuracy, overall dirt fighting I'd take an AK...


Hell the Vietcong used to fuck up some shit with the old SKS, another favorite of mine...

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HK G3

Lonny

Is that a Lazer Scoop under their. Pretty tight.

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US "Special Forces" as most " non ever been in the military kid" calls them, do not use AK 47's or AK 52's.

What are you kidding me? Give me a break, be in the military once before you jump to conclusion after watching your Chuck Norris movie.


US " Special Forces" aka, Green Berets, Rangers, Pathfinders, Marine Recon, Navy Seals , Air Force SP and Army Forward Observers are all categorically called US " special forces" and none of them carry ak 47's and or ak 52's and they never will.





They use Heckler & Koch submachine guns, Heckler & Koch machine pistols, or as the favorite, the M16 M203.

For you non military lingo people, that an M16 with an underbelly single shot Grenade launcher.







8 years at Ft Sill Oklahoma as a US Army Forward Observer (13f10) showed me almost every single weapon that any foot soldier ever would use. Yes, I repelled out of helicopters, yes I was airborn, yes in 1991 I was in Desert storm, and yes I used an M16 and not once ever did I ever use, or see anyone use an ak 47 or ak 52.

Ak 47 is a 7.62 mil Nato round with a maximum effective killing range of 600 meters, whereas the M16 uses the 5.56 milimeter Nato Ball round with a maximum effective killing range of 300 meters.

One was designed in France, the other was designed by a Private in Russian army...


Which would I rather have? Which does the US Military use?

The M16 is a VERY accurate gun considering at 325 meters you shoot at 2 ft tall by 1 ft wide targets in basic training, and with the accuracy to knock them flat, whereas the ak47 can't hit shit past 200 yards even with a scope heh, it may as well be a grease gun from the 40s.


Only in the movies buddy






Oh BTW

"Originaly posted by Dark Jedi"

"I'm already an officer. (Jr. Lieutenant )"


WTF in the boy scouts? At least learn the names of the ranks in the military. I can tell by your name your the utmost in maturity level to be a "Jr Officer"


heh kids...

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M16 M203 as seen on a Marine recon personel

Mr Pheer

Since late 93 they've dropped the M16/203 combo and started using the M4 Carbine. We got some of the first issues in the 10th Mountain Division just in time to deploy to Somalia.

Mr Pheer

Thats an M4 with a 203

Its just a smaller, lighter, carbine version of the M16

VideoVoyeur

Yea I saw the M4 but I didnt know they were being widely used yet, kind of like the Dragon Tow missles, they started them in single packs in the early nineties but it never caught on.

VideoVoyeur

Heh at least its not the AR 15 anymore which is what they USED in vietnam, which has the selector switch on the right hand side of the weapon heh.


Shorter stock is all I see in difference, is that it?

Mr Pheer

Its a collapsable stock and it has a small recessed area on the barrel for the 203 to mount, the barrel is shorter, and I believe its effective range is 600 yards, weighs a little over 5 pounds.

Eve

Woot

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Um and no clip on it, what's this guy assaulting without bullets?

Mr Pheer

Its a training exercise

VideoVoyeur

Its called training...

USA Army does 6-8 weeks depending on location and then ait can be from 8 months to 3 years for different MOS, whereas the Russians have 4 weeks of training and thats it, your on the front lines...


Although many of their military vehicles far outsurpass ours ( dont get mad its the truth) we have better training.


They have a transport helicopter that carries 65 troops in it, and flys almost 70 mph faster then our apaches just fyi...

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Personally I am a fan of the AK-47 myself since my business partner happens to have one. Very nice weapon and a good deal of stopping power.

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Validus

How about the G36? That any good?

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DarkJedi

I'm from a different country. Not sure how's that rank named in US.

And BTW, "designed in france" adds a lot of credibility to M16

johnbosh

always used the ak-47 in counterstrike ratatatatatta

Mushayef

actually the zionists have the best gun in the world. they have a gun that shoots behind corners. smart bastards!

Deepsy1

"special forces" - your special forces just a fuckin soldiers with expirience , it ain't means that they CAN use any weapon.

tell me about Afganistan ? huh ? Chechnya ?
it's where real soldiers are ! they survive in most difficult conditions that your guys from "special forces" even never saw in their life

what the point about grenade launcher ? huh ? I can put grenade launcher on ANY AK version ! ? ANY, got it ?

Ak 47 is a 7.62 mil Nato round with a maximum effective killing range of 600 meters blah blah bla bla... bleh bla , YOU NEVER EVER TOUCHED AK , killing range [600 meters] ? just NO COMMENTS

for short dude , quit your vietnam movies , tell the voices in your head to shut the fuckin up , you just know about those weapons from a books , no more then that. And I'm highly doubt that you ever was in some army forces , anyhow , in practice , AK is better.
it's a fact.

btw. here in Israel , you can buy m16 for $220 , AK going around $2100

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Deepsy1

nothing new , I saw similiar AK before five or six year . jews rebuilding the shit by patents

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who

Um.... Maybe they should actually load their weapons if they want to stop getting killed... ?

DarkJedi

Look at the guy - is he cross-eyed ?
What the hell is he lookin at ?

KraZ

Me too.... I'm probably one of the few that used it in real life too. During my mandatory military service I've used AK47 and AK74 (5.55 mm version) extensively. Over 2000 rounds of ammo :-)

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who

I think it really is the 'Special' Force

I_Nailed_Your_Sister

What you fuckheads know about weapons I could write on the head of a pin and still have room left over.

johnbosh

wow how was it

Buff

Forward Observers??? HAHAHA You ain't special forces!

Army Special Forces are only composed of Green Berets (18series), Rangers in Ranger Bat, and CAG (Combat Applications Group aka Delta Force).

Forward Observers are NOT special forces. You may have been attached to special forces, but you ain't SF.

In the Air Farce, special forces is Combat Controllers and PJS.

In the Navy, special forces is SEALs and some say EOD

In the Marines, they don't really have special forces, but most people consider Force Recon and Snipers as such.

Anyway, true special forces weapon is the mind.

Buff

Oh, and your numbers are wrong too.

The M16 has a maximum effective range of 800m for an area target and 550m for a point target. Just because you pogues only go up to 300m at the range doesn't mean that's the MER.

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Rochard

I carried an M16 for four fucking years. Not ONCE did it jam on me.

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mr rick

the M16 is a superior weapon. Better ammo and much more accurate than the AK47. But you have to keep it clean. If you can't field strip and clean your weapon, you shouldn't be in the fight.

VideoVoyeur

If I even remotley thought you were special Id scan my old active duty id card that clearly shows what MOS I was...


Go back to learning how to dos sites kid.

VideoVoyeur

Actually since 1985 or so they are. Forward observers are 3 man teams. We blow shit up way the fuck out in front of ANYONE.


Many Rangers are forward observers, and many forward observers are rangers. But ALL Forward observers ARE Pathfinders.


Is it me or do alot of kids just dream shit up.


Go read about Forward Observers before you spout off to one.

theking

Well...actually there is only one Special Forces and that is the Army's Special Forces...all of the others you named fall under Special Operations Forces.

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And yes, the Marine Recon unit is "the" marine 'special forces"



How many of these fucking people play counterstrike or some shit and believe it and then post on here.

Get a grip already. If you dont know dont post.

Buff

Hey bitch, listen up. You don't know what the fuck you're talking about. Forward observers are NOT special forces. I was in Special Forces from 1991-1997. And Pathfinder was discontinued for several years, and was only recently reinstated.

If you didn't wear a black or green beret back in the day, you weren't special forces. A Ranger Tab just means you went to Ranger School. You have to be in Bat to be considered Special Forces as a Ranger. Hundreds of pogue officers have their Ranger Tabs and work in dipshit remf units, you fuck.

Get your learn on, moron: http://www.soc.mil/

theking

I do not know what you think being a Pathfinder has to to do with being an FO. Pathfinders are Airborne and have specific functions.

"Originally established in England during WWII, the US army Pathfinder School is located at FT. Benning's Lillyman Hall. Potential pathfinders spend approximately three weeks learning and practicing their new skills. When the US Air Force assumed the combat air traffic control duties in 1951, the school was closed. In 1955, the school was reopened under the Airborne-Air Assault branch of the Infantry School. It continues to operate to this day. During the course students are taught basic air traffic control techniques; drop zone marking techniques; how to use computed air release points (CARPs); the ground marking release system; the Army Aircraft Verbal Initiated Release System and the proper use of the PIBALL weather balloon, to measure mean effective wind.

Today's Pathfinders are trained in airborne, small boat, vehicle, foot, and sometimes free fall infiltration techniques. These small four man teams may be parachuted in up to 72 hours in advance of the main assault force. They provide DZ/LZ surveys; site security; initial aircraft guidance, and mark and clear drop zones for follow-on forces. They are capable of engaging in demolition operations to clear DZ/LZ's of obstacles. If equipped with laser targeting devices (LTD) they may also designate targets of opportunity for air strikes. Pathfinders may be expected to coordinate aircraft movement, control parachute drops of personnel and equipment, conduct sling-load operations and provide initial weather information to commanders."

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theking

Rangers are not Special Forces...Rangers fall under Special Operation Forces...as does the Army's Special Forces. FYI...the Patfinders have been active continuosly since 1955 as stated above.

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It is the Corps Force Recon...not Battalion Recon units...that is "equivilent" to Army Special Forces. To my knowledge the Corp only has one company of Force Recon per Division and they only have two active Division's (full strength) the third one is basically a paper Division.

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To add my to the AK-47 and M-16 debate. The M16- used today is not the same M-16 as was used in Vietnam...and is very reliable...if maintained properly. I have fired in the thousands of rounds and have only had a jam maybe a half dozen times...no biggy...easily cleared...to carry on. The AK-47 may possibly be the best Assault Rifle ever made in the numbers made...in its simplicity and reliability.

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theking

Jessica Lynch belonged to a supply unit. The only weapons training that they had was probably what they received in their eight weeks of Basic. They may or may not have even made the rifle range once per year. Weapons use and maintinance was not a major part of their MOS's. In addition they had been in a sand storm and more than likely did not clean their weapons for the ready. The Army needs to learn a lesson from this...and adopt the doctrine of the Corp...every marine in theory is a Rifleman first and other duties are secondary...but even in the Corp for the most part that is in "theory".

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Buff

Pathfinder School was shut down through most of the 90s. Sorry, that's a fact.

theking

I would be interested to know more about this...are you aware that the school itself has not been one cycle out and new cycle in...the school itself has been cyclic in nature...in other words not run on a contiguous basis..they have often operated the school on a needs basis. That does not alter the fact that Pathfinders have been continuously active since 1955 and have been trained as needed.

I also know that the school was being operated in the '90's as several of my friends son's attended the school. The last to attend was a Ranger and I believe he attended around four to five years ago. He is now a W-2 and a rotary wing pilot.

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Buff

I'll see if I can find you a link, but the Pathfinder badge was discontinued in the early 90s and they switched from having "pathfinder" courses to having "commando" camp kind of shit. Then, like 4 years ago, they started running pathfinder courses again.

But the whole point is that just having a pathfinder badge does not mean one is special forces.

theking

Of course a Pathfinder badge does not make one a member of the Army's Special Forces...nor does wearing a Ranger Tab...nor does wearing a Ranger Tab make one a member of Special Operations Forces. Many of the Army's Special Forces though...do wear a Pathfinder badge as well as A Ranger Tab.

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I prefer M16

just looks so much better

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