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AaronM · 11-07-2003, 11:05 AM

50 BIATCH!

dougeetx · 11-07-2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
ICECOLDCASH is turning accounts into partner accounts retoractivly. We had a couple thousand dollar check end up being a few hundread. I love JoeE, but this simply is not the way to handle things. When questioned he explained there is no way to pay $35-40 a join without shaving, I disagree and invited him to dallas to examine some spreadsheets with me.

With that said, I have no doubt Joe will make good on the difference.

I hate to admit this but SicCash and Bradshaw never fucked me over on payments! They did always come through and if I had a problem, I just called up Helen in billing and she took care of me. So, JOIN SICCASH! But still, FUCK YOU BRADSHAW!

Crazy1 · 11-07-2003, 11:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Oh stop your whining too. There's no love lost between Joe and I, and that's pretty well known, but if you aren't making money with someone then take your traffic somewhere else.

Exactly. I suggest you try the newset program on the net

http://www.crazycontent.com

Click my sig for affiliate signup.

It is the only site in the world with an entire database full of BIG screen sized fast downloading MPG videos.

No "streaming video" just downlaodable MPG which surfers love the most. THE ONLY ONE. You want conversions....then promote something different and new. Crazycontent is the site.

BradShaw · 11-07-2003, 11:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crazy1

Exactly. I suggest you try the newset program on the net

http://www.crazycontent.com

Click my sig for affiliate signup.

It is the only site in the world with an entire database full of BIG screen sized fast downloading MPG videos.

No "streaming video" just downlaodable MPG which surfers love the most. THE ONLY ONE. You want conversions....then promote something different and new. Crazycontent is the site.

LAME, I would rather send my traffic to JoeE, than some troll in here bragging about his mpegs. Sure hope you have the license for those mpegs.

webair · 11-07-2003, 11:21 AM

before you start banning ice cold, give Joe the chance to reply, he has always been standup WITH US i'm sure he'll come through for you guys.

GonZo · 11-07-2003, 11:38 AM

I showed all in my fur!

Quote:

Originally posted by Pornwolf
Kimmy Kim did me wrong! She gave me a peek of her in a fur and promised me she'd show the rest of her nude shots. Did she show me? No. I ended up with blue balls thanks to Little Ki, er uh, I mean, Kimmy Kim..

Snake Doctor · 11-07-2003, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw
ICECOLDCASH is turning accounts into partner accounts retoractivly. We had a couple thousand dollar check end up being a few hundread. I love JoeE, but this simply is not the way to handle things. When questioned he explained there is no way to pay $35-40 a join without shaving, I disagree and invited him to dallas to examine some spreadsheets with me.

With that said, I have no doubt Joe will make good on the difference.

Bring those spreadsheets to Vegas. I'd like to go over them with you.

BradShaw · 11-07-2003, 11:46 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lenny2

Bring those spreadsheets to Vegas. I'd like to go over them with you.

Make it worth my time $. But anyone who says that you can not profit by paying out $35 is simply wrong, and I can prove it in about 5 mins.

Gemini · 11-07-2003, 11:58 AM

Wonder why the courts don't know about the one screwup clause?

basschick · 11-07-2003, 12:08 PM

the thing is, kk, that people didn't know they weren't making their money. they trusted joee and were under the impression they were being paid by signup, and that they would be paid - because icecold is joee's.

a friend of mine has waited for more than 2 months for a check while they hustled him for traffic. finally got one check after coming on strong and it was revshare. never got another check. joee never answered him when he wrote, and my friend emailed him a couple times.

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Oh stop your whining too. There's no love lost between Joe and I, and that's pretty well known, but if you aren't making money with someone then take your traffic somewhere else.

Crazy1 · 11-07-2003, 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by BradShaw

LAME, I would rather send my traffic to JoeE, than some troll in here bragging about his mpegs. Sure hope you have the license for those mpegs.

Brad, first of all you can send your traffic where you wish.

I am not bragging, I am stating facts.

http://www.crazycontent.com has the biggest MPG screen sizes in the smallest file sizes which means faster downloading and happier customers and longer retention. I am months ahead of my competition with regards to this and I am pulling out ahead all the time.

It has the most quality and affordable $7.99 price out of any site on the net. Surfers realize this and they are joining. If I told you the numbers you would not even believe me so I won't.

Crazycontent has a database full of these special MPG files and affiliates are coming on board by the boat load because they understand the significance. If you are too stupid to understand it SoBe it :-)

My affiliates know what I am talking about as they are happy this site is alive because they are fucking sick and tired of the same crap and being ripped off all the time.

It is something unique and new and that is what they are looking for. I am here to deliver it to them. I don't need your traffic.

Not only do I have the licenses for the videos but I am giving all my affiliates the model IDs so that they know the girls are legal.

Regards, your favorite troll.

MicroChick · 11-07-2003, 12:36 PM

Kimmy, you have one of the loudest voices on the boards. If you thought that you were being cheated by JoeE, Brad Shaw, or anyone, you would be out here wacking everybody with one of those photographed ass cheeks of yours.

This is not the first time people have complained about JoeE's programs.

Kimmykim · 11-07-2003, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MicroChick
Kimmy, you have one of the loudest voices on the boards. If you thought that you were being cheated by JoeE, Brad Shaw, or anyone, you would be out here wacking everybody with one of those photographed ass cheeks of yours.

This is not the first time people have complained about JoeE's programs.

confucy, things are very simple. I send traffic where I know I'll get paid.

I do send traffic to SIC btw.

freeadultcontent · 11-07-2003, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crazy1

Brad, first of all you can send your traffic where you wish.

I am not bragging, I am stating facts.

http://www.crazycontent.com has the biggest MPG screen sizes in the smallest file sizes which means faster downloading and happier customers and longer retention. I am months ahead of my competition with regards to this and I am pulling out ahead all the time.

It has the most quality and affordable $7.99 price out of any site on the net. Surfers realize this and they are joining. If I told you the numbers you would not even believe me so I won't.

Crazycontent has a database full of these special MPG files and affiliates are coming on board by the boat load because they understand the significance. If you are too stupid to understand it SoBe it :-)

My affiliates know what I am talking about as they are happy this site is alive because they are fucking sick and tired of the same crap and being ripped off all the time.

It is something unique and new and that is what they are looking for. I am here to deliver it to them. I don't need your traffic.

Not only do I have the licenses for the videos but I am giving all my affiliates the model IDs so that they know the girls are legal.

Regards, your favorite troll.

Ya sound like sobe, type like sobe, spam like sobe. Have a feeling you must be sobe.

By the way its a principles issue. This thread is about a sponsor possibly not paying what is due. Droping into this thread to spam your program just makes you look bad and desperate.

MicroChick · 11-07-2003, 01:06 PM

Kimmy, you know about most of the affiliate programs...which ones would you recommend other than SIC?

I wonder if JoeE plans to sell out to Acacia like FM & Hustler?

Crazy1 · 11-07-2003, 01:15 PM

Of course I know sobe. Without him I would not have this job. And I only took it because after he explained to me how special this site was I got excited and saw that I could make a buck. This thread is about programs and I have been place in charge of one of the most revolutionary programs to date.

From what I read it appears that people are just sick and tired of being ripped off. In this very thread it is said that sponsors cannot payout 30 or 40 dollars a sign up without shaving and webmasters just deal with it.

I don't think that JoeE has done anything, which is not expected and practiced by all programs. Webmasters can always just switch and that is what I would do.

I think you would rather have a big long Bash someone thread because that is more exciting for you. It would be much more constructive to discuss why this is the case and how it can be changed and how we will continue into the future.

sarettah · 11-07-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crazy1
[B]Of course I know sobe. Without him I would not have this job. And I only took it because after he explained to me how special this site was I got excited and saw that I could make a buck. This thread is about programs and I have been place in charge of one of the most revolutionary programs to date.

Registrant:
SoBeGirl Inc
6538 Collins Ave #462
Miami Beach, FL 33141
US

Domain Name: CRAZYCONTENT.COM

Administrative Contact, Technical Contact, Zone Contact:
SoBeGirl Inc
Erik Goldman
6538 Collins Ave #462
Miami Beach, FL 33141
US
305-807-3957
[email protected]

Domain created on 11-Oct-2001
Domain expires on 11-Oct-2004
Last updated on 21-Jun-2003

Domain servers in listed order:

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Hi Erik.........

You ready for another round of "Hide and go fuck yourself" ??

stocktrader23 · 11-07-2003, 01:40 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Oh stop your whining too. There's no love lost between Joe and I, and that's pretty well known, but if you aren't making money with someone then take your traffic somewhere else.

So when a company fucks you over and COSTS you money you can't say anything? Yea fucking right. Some people pay alot of money for their promotions and make a very small margin of profit. When somebody fucks with your money while they have paid ads flying and parties going it's bullshit and you know it.

Carrie · 11-07-2003, 01:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by sarettah

Registrant:
SoBeGirl Inc
6538 Collins Ave #462
Miami Beach, FL 33141
US

When is someone going to force this fucking idiot out of the business for once and for all!?!?!?!

Especially now if he's spreading his bullshit tactics on to other webmasters (giving CrazyContent the benefit of the doubt that he isn't Sobe but simply an idiot pawn of Sobe)?

WHY is Sobe still in business?

Krome · 11-08-2003, 11:06 AM

I had been sending traffic to Private Gold for years off about 4 sites which and generating about $300 to $1000 per month. When Ice launched I set up my account with them so I would keep the income.

I have never recieved a check from Ice and then all of a sudden my stats totally disappeared and I had never sent a single unique to Ice.

I would even be willing to have a CEN rep open up my old CEN stats to prove that my figures are correct.

Joe E promised that my stats would return from the recycle bin and that I would get paid. I have still got nothing and the I lost the ftp details for the sites so they are still getting the traffic.

Email from Joe E:

We had a problem with our stats and we have been under attack since day one of my biz by my sy=till partner fom netmgt. Please give me till Friday to fix. I do NOT fuck anybody.Thanks
Joee-Ice...
Director-NetManagement,LLC
Owner-NetManagement Trust

Discussion with Beavis after I had not been paid since they launched:

I am sorry David, when I looked up your stats for the last year I did not see any traffic at all..no uniquesL

Can you give us a shot?.I am sure you will agree we are at least worth a test?

Beavis,

Allen (Beavis) Timm
www.icecoldcash.com
Phone: (954) 564-2423
[email protected]
ICQ: 347265063

-----Original Message-----

Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:59 AM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: account

The reason my traffic has stopped going to ICE COLD CASH is because you have never paid me for one click since you opened. When I was sending the same traffic to Private Gold when it was run by CEN I was getting $300 to $1000 per month not the amount I was making with ICE. Not much but not bad for sites I set up 4 or 5 years ago and I have done no work on since then.

Yours

>From: "Beavis"

>To:

>Subject: account

>Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:51:16 -0400

>

>This is Beavis with http://www.icecoldcash.com

> and we are converting like crazy!!!

>

>The reason I am contacting you today is for two reasons:

>

>1) I will be handling your account & I just wanted to touch base

>with you to

>let you know you can contact me by ICQ or email anytime you need

>anything!

>

>2) I have noticed that your traffic has slowed or stopped to

>IceColdCash and WE WANT YOU BACK!

>

>Here are the links to the top 2 converting sites that are making

>webmasters the most money:

>

>1) Privategold: http://www.icecoldcash.com/redirect/?wm=warren

>

>&site=1&tier=2

>2) Touristhunter: http://www.icecoldcash.com/redirect/?wm=warren

>

>&site=11&tier=1

>

>I am here to let you know that I will help you in any which way to make

>sure that you make money with the "IceColdCash" program!!!

>

>Send some traffic to these sites & I guarantee fantastic conversion

>ratios.

>

>Please contact me via email or ICQ with any feedback or questions:-)

>

>Looking forward to hearing from you soon!

>

>Sincerely Beavis,

>Allen (Beavis) Timm

> www.icecoldcash.com

>Phone: (954) 564-2423

> [email protected]

>ICQ: 347265063

>

>

>

{fusion} · 11-08-2003, 11:31 AM

You could sue them, try to get some legal help.

TheJimmy · 11-08-2003, 11:52 AM

oooooooooooooooo

how shocking....

sorry to say it but if you called my 1-900 psychic line I could have forecasted that...

know who you send to...

and the rest, get referrals 1st from people you trust and know...

Forest · 11-08-2003, 12:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by {fusion}
You could sue them, try to get some legal help.

Lev · 11-08-2003, 12:16 PM

Looks like IceColdCash fucked up big time and they should take down or change that banner on GFY with the per sign program.

Forest · 11-08-2003, 12:23 PM

Kurt???

he must be in the back laying by the pool

InsaneMidget · 11-08-2003, 12:42 PM

Nice sites Brad, joining Sic, looking for someone new, my current sponsor doesn't do it for me anymore.

I don't know JoeE personally, I know of him, hope it gets fixed up. I feel like it will...

VirtuMike · 11-08-2003, 12:53 PM

According to those numbers, I could multiply my income by at least 10x for the same traffic I send elsewhere. That's just not possible.

The most likely way that this would be the case is if you're sending shitty traffic to shitty tours that have really cheap trials and you get paid out on the trials. But then the program's going to shave you.

I prefer to send my traffic to recurring programs where I know they retain and I don't do trials if I can avoid it. A conversion is only one part of the equation - high conversions and low retention indicate shaving. You WILL make more money on a good stable recurring program.

To see $350 recurring payout on a $5000 per signup is a statistical problem.

Buy my content.

Bladewire · 11-08-2003, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KRL

People make poor judgment calls. Often its not a case of intential fraud or deception, but rather just trying to keep things afloat. New businesses are a bitch sometimes.

When you retroactively change the terms of a contract without the consent of all parties involved that's considered fraud and is illegal (unless the contract states that terms can change without notice) Not a good way to start a business.

When you don't pay the people keeping you in business... you're not going to stay in business.

It's unfortunate that these programs think so little of the people bringing in the money. They give our data to Acacia, they shave, they retroactively change the terms of our agreements.

Maybe it's time a few of us do a few co-op sites together.... pump our own stuff within the circle and KNOW where the traffic is going, how it's getting there and how much it's making?

I think it's time for a solution. Anyone have more ideas on this?

Stud Money · 11-08-2003, 01:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Crazy1

Exactly. I suggest you try the newset program on the net

http://www.crazycontent.com

Click my sig for affiliate signup.

It is the only site in the world with an entire database full of BIG screen sized fast downloading MPG videos.

No "streaming video" just downlaodable MPG which surfers love the most. THE ONLY ONE. You want conversions....then promote something different and new. Crazycontent is the site.

Hi Sobe

Bladewire · 11-08-2003, 01:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Oh stop your whining too. There's no love lost between Joe and I, and that's pretty well known, but if you aren't making money with someone then take your traffic somewhere else.

Kimmy you come across as bitchy in type but I know you'd be a blast to hang out with. All I gotta do is look at these pics to keep things in perspective

Jon · 11-08-2003, 01:48 PM

KRL--

JoeE WAS a legend.. that is, until the feds went after him for all that cash shit he pulled, and then how AOL sued him for spamming the shit out of their services, and now, openly admitting "you cant make money on pay per joins unless you shave" and then switching accounts with cash overdue to revshare so they can payout a lot less??

If this is what you call a legend, then you are truly fucked up my friend.

VirtuMike · 11-08-2003, 01:50 PM

Hey, just because she's hot, bitchy, and likes the occasional ball on her forehead doesn't mean she's not right every once in a while.

Plus I'd do her if given the chance. She knows this. That's why she won't come near me. Smart girl.

Forest · 11-09-2003, 07:41 AM

what???
still no kurt??

is he still working for joee?

maybe he is out in the ferrari

Krome · 11-09-2003, 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest
what???
still no kurt??

is he still working for joee?

maybe he is out in the ferrari

They probably have a few ferrari's now with the money they have robbed from the people in this thread.

Forest · 11-10-2003, 03:44 PM

hey joe

bump this

Forest · 11-10-2003, 03:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest
hey joe

bump this

ohh yeah and Kurt aka Voodooman aka JoeE's DO BOY

suck my cock you ballless motherfucker

Have a Nice day

mary34d · 11-10-2003, 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest

ohh yeah and Kurt aka Voodooman aka JoeE's DO BOY

suck my cock you ballless motherfucker

Have a Nice day

FOREST YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO "SUPPOSALLY OWN YOU MONEY!!!"

I HAVE A BIG MONTH, AND EVERYONE KNOW THAT!!!

mary34d · 11-10-2003, 07:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest
what???
still no kurt??

is he still working for joee?

maybe he is out in the ferrari

HEY, AT LEAST THEY MAKE MONEY AND DON'T RELAY ON BROADS WITH BIG TITS TO PAY THEIR BILLS!!!

Forest · 11-11-2003, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mary34d

HEY, AT LEAST THEY MAKE MONEY AND DON'T RELAY ON BROADS WITH BIG TITS TO PAY THEIR BILLS!!!

how are they makeing money?

by going revshare on pps?

that sure is one way to make money

and yes you are correct

you did pay the rent there

and I appreciate it

KingK7 · 11-11-2003, 12:59 AM

This thread just became very confusing...

Forest · 11-11-2003, 01:03 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by KingK7
This thread just became very confusing...

joe, voodooman and ice are resorting to sending others into the thread to do that

anyone notice the complete absence of anyone from ice in this thread?

Furious_Female · 11-11-2003, 01:12 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by mary34d

FOREST YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT PEOPLE WHO "SUPPOSALLY OWN YOU MONEY!!!"

I HAVE A BIG MONTH, AND EVERYONE KNOW THAT!!!

"supposally"

Supposedly

Forest · 11-11-2003, 01:18 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

"supposally"

Supposedly

FF

she was angry when she posted that

Mary is a VERRY sweet and verry smart girl who is being pushed by some verry cowardly people who dont want to do their own dirty work

I will ALWAYS stand up for mary34d no matter what she says about me.

She helped me out in September after JoeE " Changed Our Deal" (to quote him directly)

she has a GREAT heart and always has a place with me

she is a friend

Thanx mary I will always owe you one

Furious_Female · 11-11-2003, 01:42 AM

I sent them a tiny bit of traffic... tried to set up Fed Ex, they wanted $35 for $14 Fed Ex delivery... Ok no problem.

Week 1 ... A few sign ups, didn't get the check. Week goes by, I have to ask for it. A week later I get a handwritten check in postal mail

Week 2 ...More sales didn't get a check for that week

Week 3 ...More sales with shitty conversion ratios, owed 2 checks at this point. Sent the ICQs to Beavis. I was promised I would get paid, but in the meantime SEND MORE TRAFFIC!

A few weeks later I receive one of the 2 checks I was owed in postal mail (handwritten again, not printed out).

A few weeks later I got the last check I was owed, handwritten again in postal mail. This time it was half of what they owed me, I didn't even look at it too well, but they deducted $25 for a conversion fee whatever the fuck that is.

Needless to say, that was my first and only experience with Ice Cold Cash.

Forest · 11-11-2003, 02:05 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

I sent them a tiny bit of traffic... tried to set up Fed Ex, they wanted $35 for $14 Fed Ex delivery... Ok no problem.

Week 1 ... A few sign ups, didn't get the check. Week goes by, I have to ask for it. A week later I get a handwritten check in postal mail

Week 2 ...More sales didn't get a check for that week

Week 3 ...More sales with shitty conversion ratios, owed 2 checks at this point. Sent the ICQs to Beavis. I was promised I would get paid, but in the meantime SEND MORE TRAFFIC!

A few weeks later I receive one of the 2 checks I was owed in postal mail (handwritten again, not printed out).

A few weeks later I got the last check I was owed, handwritten again in postal mail. This time it was half of what they owed me, I didn't even look at it too well, but they deducted $25 for a conversion fee whatever the fuck that is.

Needless to say, that was my first and only experience with Ice Cold Cash.

when was the last check that the 25 was dedcuted from?

I think i know what it is But keeping it a surprise for a new thread

icq me and lmk 118156620

they are playing a ton of games over there

Furious_Female · 11-11-2003, 02:34 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Forest

when was the last check that the 25 was dedcuted from?

I think i know what it is But keeping it a surprise for a new thread

icq me and lmk 118156620

they are playing a ton of games over there

I'll have to look at the check stubs... I'll let you know by the morning. I don't remember the check much, because it was pretty insignificant. I do remember written in blue ink, was a $25 conversion deduction though. If i'm not mistaken, it was about 4 weeks ago, but I'll let you know definitely when I check it out.

Forest · 11-11-2003, 03:28 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

I'll have to look at the check stubs... I'll let you know by the morning. I don't remember the check much, because it was pretty insignificant. I do remember written in blue ink, was a $25 conversion deduction though. If i'm not mistaken, it was about 4 weeks ago, but I'll let you know definitely when I check it out.

BT · 11-11-2003, 03:43 AM

"The devil went down to GEORGIA!"

SomeCreep · 11-11-2003, 04:17 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Squirtit

Lol, thats a great owned pic

Forest · 11-11-2003, 05:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BT_trafficcashgold
"The devil went down to GEORGIA!"

lookin for more than souls

11-07-2003, 11:21 AM	#55
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11-08-2003, 11:52 AM	#72
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11-08-2003, 12:53 PM	#77
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	According to those numbers, I could multiply my income by at least 10x for the same traffic I send elsewhere. That's just not possible. The most likely way that this would be the case is if you're sending shitty traffic to shitty tours that have really cheap trials and you get paid out on the trials. But then the program's going to shave you. I prefer to send my traffic to recurring programs where I know they retain and I don't do trials if I can avoid it. A conversion is only one part of the equation - high conversions and low retention indicate shaving. You WILL make more money on a good stable recurring program. To see $350 recurring payout on a $5000 per signup is a statistical problem. Buy my content. __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L

11-08-2003, 01:48 PM	#81
Jon Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: New York City Posts: 2,578	KRL-- JoeE WAS a legend.. that is, until the feds went after him for all that cash shit he pulled, and then how AOL sued him for spamming the shit out of their services, and now, openly admitting "you cant make money on pay per joins unless you shave" and then switching accounts with cash overdue to revshare so they can payout a lot less?? If this is what you call a legend, then you are truly fucked up my friend. __________________ WickedFire.com - Stay here. We don't need more of you. Not unless you have money, then, fine...

11-07-2003, 11:05 AM	#51
AaronM GFY Royality ;) Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: ┌∩┐ ◣_◢ ┌∩┐ Posts: 46,917	50 BIATCH!

11-07-2003, 12:36 PM	#62
MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	Kimmy, you have one of the loudest voices on the boards. If you thought that you were being cheated by JoeE, Brad Shaw, or anyone, you would be out here wacking everybody with one of those photographed ass cheeks of yours. This is not the first time people have complained about JoeE's programs.

11-07-2003, 01:06 PM	#65
MicroChick Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: California Posts: 1,277	Kimmy, you know about most of the affiliate programs...which ones would you recommend other than SIC? I wonder if JoeE plans to sell out to Acacia like FM & Hustler?

11-07-2003, 01:15 PM	#66
Crazy1 So Fucking Banned Join Date: Nov 2003 Posts: 317	Of course I know sobe. Without him I would not have this job. And I only took it because after he explained to me how special this site was I got excited and saw that I could make a buck. This thread is about programs and I have been place in charge of one of the most revolutionary programs to date. From what I read it appears that people are just sick and tired of being ripped off. In this very thread it is said that sponsors cannot payout 30 or 40 dollars a sign up without shaving and webmasters just deal with it. I don't think that JoeE has done anything, which is not expected and practiced by all programs. Webmasters can always just switch and that is what I would do. I think you would rather have a big long Bash someone thread because that is more exciting for you. It would be much more constructive to discuss why this is the case and how it can be changed and how we will continue into the future.

11-08-2003, 11:06 AM	#70
Krome Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London - UK Posts: 2,851	I had been sending traffic to Private Gold for years off about 4 sites which and generating about $300 to $1000 per month. When Ice launched I set up my account with them so I would keep the income. I have never recieved a check from Ice and then all of a sudden my stats totally disappeared and I had never sent a single unique to Ice. I would even be willing to have a CEN rep open up my old CEN stats to prove that my figures are correct. Joe E promised that my stats would return from the recycle bin and that I would get paid. I have still got nothing and the I lost the ftp details for the sites so they are still getting the traffic. Email from Joe E: We had a problem with our stats and we have been under attack since day one of my biz by my sy=till partner fom netmgt. Please give me till Friday to fix. I do NOT fuck anybody.Thanks Joee-Ice... Director-NetManagement,LLC Owner-NetManagement Trust Discussion with Beavis after I had not been paid since they launched: I am sorry David, when I looked up your stats for the last year I did not see any traffic at all..no uniquesL Can you give us a shot?.I am sure you will agree we are at least worth a test? Beavis, Allen (Beavis) Timm www.icecoldcash.com Phone: (954) 564-2423 [email protected] ICQ: 347265063 -----Original Message----- Sent: Wednesday, October 08, 2003 11:59 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: account The reason my traffic has stopped going to ICE COLD CASH is because you have never paid me for one click since you opened. When I was sending the same traffic to Private Gold when it was run by CEN I was getting $300 to $1000 per month not the amount I was making with ICE. Not much but not bad for sites I set up 4 or 5 years ago and I have done no work on since then. Yours >From: "Beavis" >To: >Subject: account >Date: Wed, 8 Oct 2003 11:51:16 -0400 > >This is Beavis with http://www.icecoldcash.com > and we are converting like crazy!!! > >The reason I am contacting you today is for two reasons: > >1) I will be handling your account & I just wanted to touch base >with you to >let you know you can contact me by ICQ or email anytime you need >anything! > >2) I have noticed that your traffic has slowed or stopped to >IceColdCash and WE WANT YOU BACK! > >Here are the links to the top 2 converting sites that are making >webmasters the most money: > >1) Privategold: http://www.icecoldcash.com/redirect/?wm=warren > >&site=1&tier=2 >2) Touristhunter: http://www.icecoldcash.com/redirect/?wm=warren > >&site=11&tier=1 > >I am here to let you know that I will help you in any which way to make >sure that you make money with the "IceColdCash" program!!! > >Send some traffic to these sites & I guarantee fantastic conversion >ratios. > >Please contact me via email or ICQ with any feedback or questions:-) > >Looking forward to hearing from you soon! > >Sincerely Beavis, >Allen (Beavis) Timm > www.icecoldcash.com >Phone: (954) 564-2423 > [email protected] >ICQ: 347265063 > > >

11-08-2003, 11:31 AM	#71
{fusion} Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,650	You could sue them, try to get some legal help.

11-08-2003, 12:16 PM	#74
Lev Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 3,545	Looks like IceColdCash fucked up big time and they should take down or change that banner on GFY with the per sign program.

11-08-2003, 12:23 PM	#75
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 9,018	Kurt??? he must be in the back laying by the pool

11-08-2003, 12:42 PM	#76
InsaneMidget Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Ontario Posts: 3,767	Nice sites Brad, joining Sic, looking for someone new, my current sponsor doesn't do it for me anymore. I don't know JoeE personally, I know of him, hope it gets fixed up. I feel like it will...

11-08-2003, 01:50 PM	#82
VirtuMike Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Seat 1A Posts: 2,483	Hey, just because she's hot, bitchy, and likes the occasional ball on her forehead doesn't mean she's not right every once in a while. Plus I'd do her if given the chance. She knows this. That's why she won't come near me. Smart girl. __________________ Host it in AMSTERDAM at EUROTIVITY! - We also offer BACKUP SERVICES! XYZZY4L

11-09-2003, 07:41 AM	#83
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 9,018	what??? still no kurt?? is he still working for joee? maybe he is out in the ferrari

11-10-2003, 03:44 PM	#85
Forest Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Hollywood Fl. Posts: 9,018	hey joe bump this

11-11-2003, 12:59 AM	#90
KingK7 Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 6,372	This thread just became very confusing...

11-11-2003, 01:42 AM	#94
Furious_Female Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Upstate, New York Posts: 8,187	I sent them a tiny bit of traffic... tried to set up Fed Ex, they wanted $35 for $14 Fed Ex delivery... Ok no problem. Week 1 ... A few sign ups, didn't get the check. Week goes by, I have to ask for it. A week later I get a handwritten check in postal mail Week 2 ...More sales didn't get a check for that week Week 3 ...More sales with shitty conversion ratios, owed 2 checks at this point. Sent the ICQs to Beavis. I was promised I would get paid, but in the meantime SEND MORE TRAFFIC! A few weeks later I receive one of the 2 checks I was owed in postal mail (handwritten again, not printed out). A few weeks later I got the last check I was owed, handwritten again in postal mail. This time it was half of what they owed me, I didn't even look at it too well, but they deducted $25 for a conversion fee whatever the fuck that is. Needless to say, that was my first and only experience with Ice Cold Cash. __________________ Skype: j3nn.com ICQ 160370494 My current favorite high-converting sponsor: CrakRevenue

11-11-2003, 03:43 AM	#98
BT Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Ft liquordale FL Posts: 6,481	"The devil went down to GEORGIA!" __________________ IS Prime Hosting Bald Head Shine "BT" The American Dream, baby! " THE HOST WITH THE MOST!" My ICQ 122994792