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Stud Money · 10-29-2003, 02:04 PM

Whatever.

theking · 10-29-2003, 02:06 PM

...at this moment. He stated that Acacia did ask for his client database...but he refused. He also stated that he has his suspicions about how they may have gotten hold of the database (but does not believe Acacia would actually use it even if they had it...because he thinks their attorneys would be smart enough not to use it even if they had it)...but until he has proof he chooses not to relay what those suspicions are.

Jason · 10-29-2003, 02:07 PM

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Originally posted by Stud Money
Whatever.

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wow..

webair · 10-29-2003, 02:08 PM

lame excuses...not trying to fuck with anyone but his reasoning that acacia has gone to the whois to get their clients info is a bit weak...on the flip i'd say he deserves credit for doing the show and putting himself out there...something to be said for being standup in the face of all this bs

theking · 10-29-2003, 02:09 PM

Norman also stated that he is waiting for calls with verifiable proof that a webmaster received their letter from Acacia via the Matrix database. He stated that if he can get 25 verifiable cases of proof...that will hold up in court...he will act against Acacia.

How many of you that have "100% proof" have actually called Norman?

lil2rich4u2 · 10-29-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Norman also stated that he is waiting for calls with verifiable proof that a webmaster received their letter from Acacia via the Matrix database. He stated that if he can get 25 verifiable cases of proof...that will hold up in court...he will act against Acacia.

How many of you that have "100% proof" have actually called Norman?

i have nothing against him personally, except for the fact he made up bullshit lies about me in attempt to trash my evidence against matrix.

As i told him on ICQ, if there is anything i can do to help the situation, i am all ears.

i dont see the need to make a phone call to him.

theking · 10-29-2003, 02:17 PM

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Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

i have nothing against him personally, except for the fact he made up bullshit lies about me in attempt to trash my evidence against matrix.

As i told him on ICQ, if there is anything i can do to help the situation, i am all ears.

i dont see the need to make a phone call to him.

If you have "100% proof" why would you not want to call him...as he has stated that if he can get enough verifiable cases that will stand up in court he will act against Acacia for using his database...and something like that should severely harm Acacia...maybe even stop them in their tracks.?

Mutt · 10-29-2003, 02:20 PM

why is he doing this nonsense? webmasters don't have to prove anything and proving something 100% is impossible without hard evidence (video, fingerprints, eyewitness) so he's just being an ass cuz nobody can have that in this situation. Webmasters all over the place have arrived at the conclusion based on what info was on the Acacia letter for them and matching it against the info they have given to Matrix taking into consideration who else they might have given that info to. They have deduced Matrix was the source. But this ain't good enough for Norman.

Now stop this stupid shit - it's disingenuous and nobody is buying it. If Norman thinks he knows who took the list from Matrix, let everybody know. And if he knows what the fuck is he talking this gibberish about suing Acacia once he has 25 webmasters who can prove 100% that Matrix was the source?
What about suing the thief? Stealing is a far bigger crime than receiving stolen goods.

malakajoe · 10-29-2003, 02:22 PM

Has he been asked or said anything about his server logs being checked for access to the database?

As stated in another thread, that is the first thing he should be doing. Lock down his server and bring in security experts. Then you go from there.

malakajoe · 10-29-2003, 02:24 PM

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Originally posted by theking

If you have "100% proof" why would you not want to call him...as he has stated that if he can get enough verifiable cases that will stand up in court he will act against Acacia for using his database...and something like that should severely harm Acacia...maybe even stop them in their tracks.?

The only way he can find actual proof is if law enforcement and/or security experts find unauthorized (or authorized) access to his database. Then go from there.

He is going backwards.

BigFish · 10-29-2003, 02:24 PM

It?s his reputation on the line, not ours. WE shouldn't be the one who's calling him. Matrix should be the one "actively", not passively, pursuing the problem, not us. Our infos have already been used. Their reputation is currently on the line.

Mutt · 10-29-2003, 02:29 PM

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Originally posted by theking

If you have "100% proof" why would you not want to call him...as he has stated that if he can get enough verifiable cases that will stand up in court he will act against Acacia for using his database...and something like that should severely harm Acacia...maybe even stop them in their tracks.?

get real man - are u an idiot? there is no such thing as 100% proof and Bentley knows this. GFY isn't a court of law and Norman Bentley sure isn't a judge. Do you not see how many people truly believe that Matrix is the source? Do you think all these people are just saying this because they have an axe to grind against Norman or Matrix? They've reached their conclusions that Matrix is where the info came from. They've come to GFY and other boards to compare notes with other webmasters and voice their opinions. Nothing more than that.

Nydahl · 10-29-2003, 02:32 PM

Its not my biz at all but some1 pls explain me why he needs 25 proofs to bring them to the court?Is that some rule in US or what

SleazyDream · 10-29-2003, 02:35 PM

if acacia stole the list the lawsuit would be MILLIONS against them from matrix as the use of thatlist pretty much totally destroyed any chance of new revenue with matrix or any of the people involved.

matrix could easily vindicate themselves by suing acacia and bankruping them for destroying their business. - and if matrix were to do that they would do a COMPLETE 180' and be the industry's GOLDEN BOY company.........

why do I think no REAL lawsuit will happen though.......a fake one filed just for name sake just won't cut it - they'll pretty much have a win a multi-million dollar suit against acacia to get their reputation back at this point.

theking · 10-29-2003, 02:36 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
why is he doing this nonsense? webmasters don't have to prove anything and proving something 100% is impossible without hard evidence (video, fingerprints, eyewitness) so he's just being an ass cuz nobody can have that in this situation. Webmasters all over the place have arrived at the conclusion based on what info was on the Acacia letter for them and matching it against the info they have given to Matrix taking into consideration who else they might have given that info to. They have deduced Matrix was the source. But this ain't good enough for Norman.

Now stop this stupid shit - it's disingenuous and nobody is buying it. If Norman thinks he knows who took the list from Matrix, let everybody know. And if he knows what the fuck is he talking this gibberish about suing Acacia once he has 25 webmasters who can prove 100% that Matrix was the source?
What about suing the thief? Stealing is a far bigger crime than receiving stolen goods.

He cannot act against Acacia without proof that they in fact are using his database. He cannot act against a thief/disgruntled employee without proof. Conclusions reached by Webmasters does not constitute proof.

On the same show today it was stated that at least one person received his letter from Acacia via a processor database...as the processor was the only one that had some mispelled info...that was contained in the letter.

malakajoe · 10-29-2003, 02:37 PM

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Originally posted by theking

He cannot act against Acacia without proof that they in fact are using his database. He cannot act against a theif/disgruntled employee without proof. Conclusions reached by Webmasters does not constitute proof.

On the same show today it was stated that at least one person received his letter from Acacia via a processor database...as the processor was the only one that had some mispelled info...that was contained in the letter.

That is why he can simply do this...

Hire a private, known security firm. Release there findings to the public, showing there was no security breach. That would be at least some proof.

Johny Traffic · 10-29-2003, 02:37 PM

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theking · 10-29-2003, 02:38 PM

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Originally posted by Nydahl
Its not my biz at all but some1 pls explain me why he needs 25 proofs to bring them to the court?Is that some rule in US or what

The number 25 is not written in stone...he might would act on a lesser number...but of course the more proof he has the stronger the case would be against Acacia.

theking · 10-29-2003, 02:43 PM

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Originally posted by SleazyDream
if acacia stole the list the lawsuit would be MILLIONS against them from matrix as the use of thatlist pretty much totally destroyed any chance of new revenue with matrix or any of the people involved.

matrix could easily vindicate themselves by suing acacia and bankruping them for destroying their business. - and if matrix were to do that they would do a COMPLETE 180' and be the industry's GOLDEN BOY company.........

why do I think no REAL lawsuit will happen though.......a fake one filed just for name sake just won't cut it - they'll pretty much have a win a multi-million dollar suit against acacia to get their reputation back at this point.

The monetary damage would be secondary to winning a case against Acacia...and of course they will need proof to win...and apparently those that are posting on this board that are claiming that they have "100% proof" are not calling him as per requested to do.

Mutt · 10-29-2003, 02:43 PM

stop this silliness - Acacia did not steal anything, they aren't idiots. They didn't have to, somebody provided them the information. And people are telling me it wasn't Norman - but Norman won't share with us who else has ownership in Matrix and would have access to the list and he won't tell us more about this mysterious 'DMCA entity' who also had access to the list.

there's a saying - 'when you hear the sound of hoofprints, think horses NOT zebras'.

rooster · 10-29-2003, 02:44 PM

I highly doubt acacia hacked them and stole their list. That is nothing but a red herring.

I still bet they sold it to a third party who then sold it to acacia. If they would admit that or some other kind of breach, I would at least respect the honesty.

Mr.Fiction · 10-29-2003, 02:44 PM

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Originally posted by theking
Norman also stated that he is waiting for calls with verifiable proof that a webmaster received their letter from Acacia via the Matrix database. He stated that if he can get 25 verifiable cases of proof...that will hold up in court...he will act against Acacia.

LAS VEGAS - A man said to have offered a "valuable customer list" purporting to be a CE Cash e-mailing list was issued a temporary restraining order August 8.

A federal judge handed down the order against Eric Suchomski, known also as BigMike9712, after Suchomski reportedly offered the list for sale on a popular adult Webmaster chat board, according to R.P. Ventures attorney David Steiner. R.P. is seeking over $1 million in actual and punitive damages against Suchomski.

The order bars Suchomski from selling, disbursing, or any other dissemination of any e-mail addresses actually or allegedly belonging to R.P. Ventures, whether or not it's identified as a CE Cash list. It also bars Suchomski from accessing any computer systems housing these lists. A heariing on R.P.'s preliminary injunction motion is set for August 13.

"This property is valued in the millions," said an unidentified R.P. spokesman, "and we will continue to prosecute this matter and any individual found trading or using our customer list to the full extent of the law." The purported "CE List," as Suchomski was said to have trumpeted it on the message board in question, reportedly contained 12 million e-mail addresses.

Reached for comment by AVN Online, Steiner said the temporary order was granted the same day the case was filed, just days after R.P. learned of Suchomski's message board postings.

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2003...081103_7.shtml

CE did not wait for 25 people to call them with 100% proof. They went to court right away and got a restraining order the same day they filed. If Acacia isn't using a stolen list, then they should have no problem with an injunction against them using a stolen list.

Nydahl · 10-29-2003, 02:46 PM

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Originally posted by theking

The number 25 is not written in stone...he might would act on a lesser number...but of course the more proof he has the stronger the case would be against Acacia.

if the justice is working (but we all knows- she is blind) then 1 proof is the same solid rock as 25
thnx for explaining man

theking · 10-29-2003, 02:47 PM

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Originally posted by malakajoe

That is why he can simply do this...

Hire a private, known security firm. Release there findings to the public, showing there was no security breach. That would be at least some proof.

Why would there have to have been a security breach? Could not an employee (former or otherwise) that had legitimate access to the database be backing up that database up...while employed with bad intentions in mind? Norman stated that he has his suspicions but cannot act at this point without proof.

malakajoe · 10-29-2003, 02:49 PM

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Originally posted by theking

Why would there have to have been a security breach? Could not an employee (former or otherwise) that had legitimate access to the database be backing up that database up...while employed with bad intentions in mind? Norman stated that he has his suspicions but cannot act at this point without proof.

Because that will at least stop the hacked questions. Remove one part of the equation.

This is the guys livelyhood. He needs to show he is trying, and not waiting to hear from people.

jaYMan · 10-29-2003, 02:49 PM

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theking · 10-29-2003, 02:51 PM

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Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

LAS VEGAS - A man said to have offered a "valuable customer list" purporting to be a CE Cash e-mailing list was issued a temporary restraining order August 8.

A federal judge handed down the order against Eric Suchomski, known also as BigMike9712, after Suchomski reportedly offered the list for sale on a popular adult Webmaster chat board, according to R.P. Ventures attorney David Steiner. R.P. is seeking over $1 million in actual and punitive damages against Suchomski.

The order bars Suchomski from selling, disbursing, or any other dissemination of any e-mail addresses actually or allegedly belonging to R.P. Ventures, whether or not it's identified as a CE Cash list. It also bars Suchomski from accessing any computer systems housing these lists. A heariing on R.P.'s preliminary injunction motion is set for August 13.

"This property is valued in the millions," said an unidentified R.P. spokesman, "and we will continue to prosecute this matter and any individual found trading or using our customer list to the full extent of the law." The purported "CE List," as Suchomski was said to have trumpeted it on the message board in question, reportedly contained 12 million e-mail addresses.

Reached for comment by AVN Online, Steiner said the temporary order was granted the same day the case was filed, just days after R.P. learned of Suchomski's message board postings.

http://www.avnonline.com/issues/2003...081103_7.shtml

CE did not wait for 25 people to call them with 100% proof. They went to court right away and got a restraining order the same day they filed. If Acacia isn't using a stolen list, then they should have no problem with an injunction against them using a stolen list.

I would think that a judge would not issue an injunction without offering some proof as to why you should have an injunction and apparently none of those on this board that are professing to have "100% proof" are even contacting Norman.

theking · 10-29-2003, 02:53 PM

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Originally posted by malakajoe

Because that will at least stop the hacked questions. Remove one part of the equation.

This is the guys livelyhood. He needs to show he is trying, and not waiting to hear from people.

He of course cannot make his suspicions known...without proof...or he will be the one that is sued.

malakajoe · 10-29-2003, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by theking

He of course cannot make his suspicions known...without proof...or he will be the one that is sued.

EXACTLY!!! Hire a private, known security firm. They will throughly check everything, even recover removed logs. That is covering his tracks.

How about if he doesn't follow up on it, and hire a company like this with the possibility the list was stolen/hacked? Then it is found he was hacked and his database stolen?

This is why you always have to immediately jump in and find out what is going on.

Hiring a company to check your security AND what has been going on with your servers would in no way ever make you volnerable to a lawsuit.

theking · 10-29-2003, 03:01 PM

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Originally posted by malakajoe

EXACTLY!!! Hire a private, known security firm. They will throughly check everything, even recover removed logs. That is covering his tracks.

How about if he doesn't follow up on it, and hire a company like this with the possibility the list was stolen/hacked? Then it is found he was hacked and his database stolen?

This is why you always have to immediately jump in and find out what is going on.

Hiring a company to check your security AND what has been going on with your servers would in no way ever make you volnerable to a lawsuit.

He may have already done that or may still do that...I do not know. I believe he did say (in a thread that he initiated) that he has done an inhouse check and came up with nada...other than a suspicion.

malakajoe · 10-29-2003, 03:02 PM

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Originally posted by theking

He may have already done that or may still do that...I do not know. I believe he did say (in a thread that he initiated) that he has done an inhouse check and came up with nada...other than a suspicion.

In house means nothing. Say he claims Acacia stole it. Acacia says they were given it. Acacia will win if he doesn't have a private party saying they did an investigation of his server.

I hope he did more than just in house, for his own good. If he did, he needs to release that info to the public.

Ron Bennett · 10-29-2003, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by theking
...at this moment. He stated that Acacia did ask for his client database...but he refused. He also stated that he has his suspicions about how they may have gotten hold of the database (but does not believe Acacia would actually use it even if they had it...because he thinks their attorneys would be smart enough not to use it even if they had it)...but until he has proof he chooses not to relay what those suspicions are.

So he states they asked for it, but he refused?...umm, didn't Matrix Content also at one point say they were going to fight Acacia, but then later settled.

Sounds like slick willie if you get my drift

Ron

theking · 10-29-2003, 03:17 PM

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Originally posted by Ron Bennett

So he states they asked for it, but he refused?...umm, didn't Matrix Content also at one point say they were going to fight Acacia, but then later settled.

Sounds like slick willie if you get my drift

Ron

Yes...my understanding is that he did fight them over providing Acacia with their database...and Acacia agreed that he would not have to turn over his database...and because he was running low on funds he then settled with Acacia.

jimmyf · 10-29-2003, 03:35 PM

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Originally posted by Nydahl
Its not my biz at all but some1 pls explain me why he needs 25 proofs to bring them to the court?Is that some rule in US or what

no such rule

10-29-2003, 02:06 PM	#2
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Norman from Matrix is on air ...at this moment. He stated that Acacia did ask for his client database...but he refused. He also stated that he has his suspicions about how they may have gotten hold of the database (but does not believe Acacia would actually use it even if they had it...because he thinks their attorneys would be smart enough not to use it even if they had it)...but until he has proof he chooses not to relay what those suspicions are. __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

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webair Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: NYC, NY Posts: 8,531	lame excuses...not trying to fuck with anyone but his reasoning that acacia has gone to the whois to get their clients info is a bit weak...on the flip i'd say he deserves credit for doing the show and putting himself out there...something to be said for being standup in the face of all this bs __________________ ~ Webair Dedicated Cloud Servers™ ~ WEBAIR VSYS™ Virtual Hosting Platform ~ Superior CDN Network ~ ~ Managed Dedicated hosting Specialists ~ DISCOUNT DOMAIN NAMES! ~ WEBAIR FUSION IO MANAGED CLOUD SERVERS! ~ *ICQ:* 243116321 - *TWITTER* - @WEBAIRINC - E-Mail: [email protected] Last edited by webair; 10-29-2003 at 02:11 PM..

10-29-2003, 02:09 PM	#5
theking Nice Kitty Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: The good old USA!!! Posts: 21,053	Norman also stated that he is waiting for calls with verifiable proof that a webmaster received their letter from Acacia via the Matrix database. He stated that if he can get 25 verifiable cases of proof...that will hold up in court...he will act against Acacia. How many of you that have "100% proof" have actually called Norman? __________________ When you're running down my country hoss...you're walking on the fighting side of me! FOR THE LYING LOWLIFE POSTING AS PATHFINDER...https://gfy.com/fucking-around-and-pr...athfinder.html

10-29-2003, 02:20 PM	#8
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	why is he doing this nonsense? webmasters don't have to prove anything and proving something 100% is impossible without hard evidence (video, fingerprints, eyewitness) so he's just being an ass cuz nobody can have that in this situation. Webmasters all over the place have arrived at the conclusion based on what info was on the Acacia letter for them and matching it against the info they have given to Matrix taking into consideration who else they might have given that info to. They have deduced Matrix was the source. But this ain't good enough for Norman. Now stop this stupid shit - it's disingenuous and nobody is buying it. If Norman thinks he knows who took the list from Matrix, let everybody know. And if he knows what the fuck is he talking this gibberish about suing Acacia once he has 25 webmasters who can prove 100% that Matrix was the source? What about suing the thief? Stealing is a far bigger crime than receiving stolen goods. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-29-2003, 02:22 PM	#9
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BigFish Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: United States of America Posts: 1,159	It?s his reputation on the line, not ours. WE shouldn't be the one who's calling him. Matrix should be the one "actively", not passively, pursuing the problem, not us. Our infos have already been used. Their reputation is currently on the line.

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10-29-2003, 02:43 PM	#20
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	stop this silliness - Acacia did not steal anything, they aren't idiots. They didn't have to, somebody provided them the information. And people are telling me it wasn't Norman - but Norman won't share with us who else has ownership in Matrix and would have access to the list and he won't tell us more about this mysterious 'DMCA entity' who also had access to the list. there's a saying - 'when you hear the sound of hoofprints, think horses NOT zebras'. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-29-2003, 02:44 PM	#21
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	I highly doubt acacia hacked them and stole their list. That is nothing but a red herring. I still bet they sold it to a third party who then sold it to acacia. If they would admit that or some other kind of breach, I would at least respect the honesty.

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