PPC vs SEO? - GoFuckYourself.com

besterman · 10-25-2003, 12:11 AM

If you have enough capital to last you, can you build a successful business with adult affiliate progs through paid SE placement and no SEO? My reasoning is if you are going to pay $0.05 per click vs NOTHING for top rank, well if 5 cents is going to crimp your margin and make you lose money, then SEO probably wouldn't work either even if it's free traffic!

brizzad · 10-25-2003, 12:12 AM

good point

it's about time someone tackled the seo vs. ppc subject

Suckitbitch · 10-25-2003, 12:15 AM

Yes, but do you have the skill level to combat every fuckwitted self-procalimed "SEO" spammer for good terms?

And by the same token, how much extra cash do you have to pay for useless PPC clicks when either the crooked engine decide to fuck you with fake clicks or your competitor's use their click networks to fuck you out of your listing?

Pornwolf · 10-25-2003, 12:17 AM

Good topic, someone make sure to bump this on Monday when the se guys are around.

WiredGuy · 10-25-2003, 12:25 AM

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Originally posted by Pornwolf
Good topic, someone make sure to bump this on Monday when the se guys are around.

Some of us work day and night and never sleep

WG

WiredGuy · 10-25-2003, 12:27 AM

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Originally posted by scorpion3600
If you have enough capital to last you, can you build a successful business with adult affiliate progs through paid SE placement and no SEO? My reasoning is if you are going to pay $0.05 per click vs NOTHING for top rank, well if 5 cents is going to crimp your margin and make you lose money, then SEO probably wouldn't work either even if it's free traffic!

Why not do both? If you can sustain a profit doing PPC for affiliate programs, then do it. If you can do SEO as well, do it. Why not do both fronts? I do.

WG

Stud Money · 10-25-2003, 12:28 AM

I actually think Lee was writing an article compairing PPC and SEO and which would work best for the adult industry, ill see if he is around and grab a url for ya

WiredGuy · 10-25-2003, 12:32 AM

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Originally posted by Stud Money
I actually think Lee was writing an article compairing PPC and SEO and which would work best for the adult industry, ill see if he is around and grab a url for ya

I'd like to see that too...
WG

eatapeach · 10-25-2003, 12:33 AM

it took me 2 ppc campaigns to figure out how to do it.

the first one i got my ass handed to me.

the second one i barely broke even.

just like SEO, ppc is a skill. however, SEO is "free", while ppc is expensive until you learn how to do it.

plus there's nothing like paying full price for SE clicks and find out the hits are being sent from foreign click farms.

besterman · 10-27-2003, 10:50 AM

One aspect I like about PPC personally is that there is in fact a guarantee. The guarantee is that you don't have to worry that your listing will fluctuate wildly in the SERPS, however, what happens in 5 years when everyone is bidding $0.50 per click minimum and your adult paysites still are around the same price? Then it's not so great...

But I like Wired's advice to do both, doesn't hurt to diversify that way

WiredGuy · 10-27-2003, 01:44 PM

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Originally posted by scorpion3600
One aspect I like about PPC personally is that there is in fact a guarantee. The guarantee is that you don't have to worry that your listing will fluctuate wildly in the SERPS, however, what happens in 5 years when everyone is bidding $0.50 per click minimum and your adult paysites still are around the same price? Then it's not so great...

The main worry I have is click fraud will begin to get higher and higher and as a PPC customer there isn't all that much we can do when disputing charges other than complain and hope the engine will refund those clicks we believe to be fraudulent.

WG

Troels · 10-27-2003, 02:30 PM

A lot of time is consumed with reviewing and managing your PPC campaigns compared to SEO. Margin-businesses like PPC requires 100% attention. No slacking.

SEO is much more laissez-faire. Although I wouldn't even call it SEO what most SE spammers are doing.
They are using the shotgun approach. Most bullets will miss big time, but there's always a few that hit the target.

johnbosh · 10-27-2003, 02:35 PM

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Originally posted by Troels
A lot of time is consumed with reviewing and managing your PPC campaigns compared to SEO. Margin-businesses like PPC requires 100% attention. No slacking.

SEO is much more laissez-faire. Although I wouldn't even call it SEO what most SE spammers are doing.
They are using the shotgun approach. Most bullets will miss big time, but there's always a few that hit the target.

good point there

WiredGuy · 10-27-2003, 03:06 PM

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Originally posted by Troels
A lot of time is consumed with reviewing and managing your PPC campaigns compared to SEO. Margin-businesses like PPC requires 100% attention. No slacking.

SEO is much more laissez-faire. Although I wouldn't even call it SEO what most SE spammers are doing.
They are using the shotgun approach. Most bullets will miss big time, but there's always a few that hit the target.

Right on the nail

WG

10-25-2003, 12:11 AM	#1
besterman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 623	PPC vs SEO? If you have enough capital to last you, can you build a successful business with adult affiliate progs through paid SE placement and no SEO? My reasoning is if you are going to pay $0.05 per click vs NOTHING for top rank, well if 5 cents is going to crimp your margin and make you lose money, then SEO probably wouldn't work either even if it's free traffic!

10-25-2003, 12:17 AM	#4
Pornwolf Drunk and Unruly Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Hollywood Posts: 22,712	Good topic, someone make sure to bump this on Monday when the se guys are around. __________________ I've trusted my sites to them for over a decade... Webair, bitches.

10-27-2003, 02:30 PM	#12
Troels Confirmed User Join Date: May 2002 Location: Between the clouds Posts: 1,035	A lot of time is consumed with reviewing and managing your PPC campaigns compared to SEO. Margin-businesses like PPC requires 100% attention. No slacking. SEO is much more laissez-faire. Although I wouldn't even call it SEO what most SE spammers are doing. They are using the shotgun approach. Most bullets will miss big time, but there's always a few that hit the target. Last edited by Troels; 10-27-2003 at 02:33 PM..

10-25-2003, 12:12 AM	#2
brizzad holla Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: KFC Posts: 11,769	good point it's about time someone tackled the seo vs. ppc subject

10-25-2003, 12:15 AM	#3
Suckitbitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 278	Yes, but do you have the skill level to combat every fuckwitted self-procalimed "SEO" spammer for good terms? And by the same token, how much extra cash do you have to pay for useless PPC clicks when either the crooked engine decide to fuck you with fake clicks or your competitor's use their click networks to fuck you out of your listing?

10-25-2003, 12:28 AM	#7
Stud Money So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Somewhere between my monitor and my chair Posts: 3,214	I actually think Lee was writing an article compairing PPC and SEO and which would work best for the adult industry, ill see if he is around and grab a url for ya

10-25-2003, 12:33 AM	#9
eatapeach Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: toto's doghouse Posts: 493	it took me 2 ppc campaigns to figure out how to do it. the first one i got my ass handed to me. the second one i barely broke even. just like SEO, ppc is a skill. however, SEO is "free", while ppc is expensive until you learn how to do it. plus there's nothing like paying full price for SE clicks and find out the hits are being sent from foreign click farms.

10-27-2003, 10:50 AM	#10
besterman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 623	One aspect I like about PPC personally is that there is in fact a guarantee. The guarantee is that you don't have to worry that your listing will fluctuate wildly in the SERPS, however, what happens in 5 years when everyone is bidding $0.50 per click minimum and your adult paysites still are around the same price? Then it's not so great... But I like Wired's advice to do both, doesn't hurt to diversify that way