Who's turning over webmaster info to Acacia - GoFuckYourself.com

Mutt · 10-24-2003, 12:40 PM

Post deleted on request.

My reason is here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/newrep...postid=2589464

BRISK · 10-24-2003, 12:42 PM

uh oh

Fletch XXX · 10-24-2003, 12:44 PM

this is getting big.

BVF · 10-24-2003, 12:45 PM

I was always nervous providing all of that information and all of the badge scanning and shit...

Dawgy · 10-24-2003, 12:45 PM

wow, does this mean i dont have to go to vegas in january?

there is no way in FUCK i am support any organization that sells me out

ControlThy · 10-24-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
this is getting big.

I love it.

btw: do you design paysites?

Bladewire · 10-24-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Mutt
two people I know received their first packets from Acacia in the last couple of days addressed to entities/domains that can only be traced to one source - registration to AVN's Internext.

Think AVN the august bible of the industry will do an investigative piece on how their list of webmasters got into the hands of Acacia? AVN either sold it to them or somebody who bought AVN's list resold it to Acacia.

Are you absolutely sure? Can these two people come forward in this post and attest to that?

Bladewire · 10-24-2003, 12:47 PM

Interesting article on AVN BTW http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...ntent_ID=43497

GFED · 10-24-2003, 12:47 PM

dum dee dum dummm...

hmmm...

ACACA

magicmike · 10-24-2003, 12:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mutt
two people I know received their first packets from Acacia in the last couple of days addressed to entities/domains that can only be traced to one source - registration to AVN's Internext.

I know when I was at the last internext I didn't give them my correct info.

Too much talk of Acacia having a booth before the last show.

I figured they'd end up with the list.

Fletch XXX · 10-24-2003, 12:49 PM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

I love it.

btw: do you design paysites?

I do. And have.

Depending on what you need, hit me up. ;)

Mutt · 10-24-2003, 12:50 PM

this is definite because the guy told me when he registered for Internext I guess there was a place on the form where they want you to describe/name your company position and he made up some bogus title like head fluffer or some shit, remembers it distinctly, and sure enough whatever the bogus title he made up was, it's on the Acacia mailing he received.

Bladewire · 10-24-2003, 12:56 PM

Is a perk of Internext that anyone with a booth gets a copy of the sign ins?

Has anyone asked AVN about this?

I'm almost in denial. I hate to think that AVN 1) sells it's list to anyone 2) could let Acacia get a hold of our information

These guys have got to post on here and speak for themselves.

Adultlegal · 10-24-2003, 01:09 PM

nope

but just hire a hot chick to run around with a badge scanner and scan as many as possible

Furious_Male · 10-24-2003, 01:23 PM

I have a feeling they are using more then one source to blanket mail all these webmasters. Disturbing to say the least.

JSA Matt · 10-24-2003, 01:24 PM

I've never signed up for Internext

TheLegacy · 10-24-2003, 01:31 PM

Before I go ape shit on AVN - like to see some proof - or at least have AVN look into it.

I would hate to see it as one of our own selling out - something about pieces of silver ... Judas??

WiredGuy · 10-24-2003, 01:32 PM

Good thing I never used my contact info when attending Internext...

WG

Suckitbitch · 10-24-2003, 01:34 PM

Sharpie · 10-24-2003, 01:48 PM

I don't think that Internext would give their list to Acacia. It is the most important asset they have as a TradeShow Company. More likely the list came from someone else, who may have purchased or made a deal for their list at some time in the past.

BTW - our Cybernet list is NOT for sale...... or trade, or anything else!

The Truth Hurts · 10-24-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
I've never signed up for Internext

Me neither, never even been to a show, but I have signed up to recieve their magazine several times and eventually got one issue.

Kilxxx was better anyway.

Stallion · 10-24-2003, 02:21 PM

just got my letter in the mail today. Funny thing is, I have never had any videos, streamed any videos, owned any paysites, etc. They are barking up the wrong tree on this end..

tucker · 10-24-2003, 02:23 PM

GET A LIFE...AVN HAS NO INCENTIVE TO SELL ANYTHING TO ANYONE. Their entire business is derived from our business, its advertising and events.

HOW DARE YOU ALL ACCUSE A COMPANY that has brought us together and keeps us informed.

GO
FUCK
YOURSELF

Mike AI · 10-24-2003, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tucker
GET A LIFE...AVN HAS NO INCENTIVE TO SELL ANYTHING TO ANYONE. Their entire business is derived from our business, its advertising and events.

HOW DARE YOU ALL ACCUSE A COMPANY that has brought us together and keeps us informed.

GO
FUCK
YOURSELF

BULLSHIT!!!

AVN cares more about there REAL customers, the only school porn Giants.... the video and magazine people. The Vivids, the Hustlers, etc.

These are the people who want to run all the Internet Turks out of business.... and AVN is helping!!! They want to see the internet cotnroled by the same few Giants who control the video/magazine traditional porn world!!

All of you small guys with free sites, TGPs, people with small pay sites are all taking money from these guys pockets!!

GFED · 10-24-2003, 02:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mike AI

BULLSHIT!!!

AVN cares more about there REAL customers, the only school porn Giants.... the video and magazine people. The Vivids, the Hustlers, etc.

These are the people who want to run all the Internet Turks out of business.... and AVN is helping!!! They want to see the internet cotnroled by the same few Giants who control the video/magazine traditional porn world!!

All of you small guys with free sites, TGPs, people with small pay sites are all taking money from these guys pockets!!

Mutt · 10-24-2003, 02:40 PM

get your tongue out of AVN's ass. It's possible AVN was duped into selling a list, not like Acacia would go 'Hey we're Acacia, we're out to rape the porn industry, how much for a list of the names and addresses of our next victims?'.

There is NO doubt where Acacia got my friend's info from, NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZILCH - unknowingly by making up a phoney title for himself my friend seeded that mailing list. How Acacia got the list - ask AVN who they've sold their list to or if somebody could have gotten their list through other means.

crockett · 10-24-2003, 02:46 PM

well I just got mine and I didn't go to internext.. I can't say for sure that I didn't fill out any forms on their page.. I can't remember did you have to sgin up to anything to view info about internext?

I kinda figure they got my info from the forums, however my sites are not listed on the letter... just my name.

TondaB · 10-24-2003, 02:54 PM

This was briefly mentioned already but they could have got the information from scanning badges and/or buying a list from someone who was scanning badges.

When you fill out the form to get a badge all information that you give up is given to anyone that leases a badge scanner and pays for the information.

That would be why I have never put any information other than an email addy on there

JDog · 10-24-2003, 02:59 PM

This is getting way outta control! I need some real proof that AVN did that! Have your friends come forward and confirm what you said!

jDoG

Jason · 10-24-2003, 03:05 PM

There's a pain you're receding

A distance ship, smoke on the horizon

You are only coming thru in waves

Youre lips move but i can't hear what you're saying

When i was a child i had a ferver

My hands felt just like two balloons

No i've got that feeling once again

I can't explain, you would not understand

This is not how i'm

I have become comfotably numb

Tipsy · 10-24-2003, 03:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornDollar
There's a pain you're receding

A distance ship, smoke on the horizon

You are only coming thru in waves

Youre lips move but i can't hear what you're saying

When i was a child i had a ferver

My hands felt just like two balloons

No i've got that feeling once again

I can't explain, you would not understand

This is not how i'm

I have become comfotably numb

Shutup and finish eating your meat you bastard. No pudding for you until you eat it all!

tony286 · 10-24-2003, 04:03 PM

I worked for a computer parts wholesaler and when I just started, they had just comeback from comdex where they had a booth. I was given a print out of basically ever person that was at the show. I cold called on that list for a couple months, made some good $$ too . I think it was given to them for having a booth , internext maybe the same way or if it is a avn list maybe they sold it. They are a company here to make money, I spoke about this yesterday these adult newstype companies arent news sources they are marketing engines. Its business not personal.

JFPdude · 10-24-2003, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
I worked for a computer parts wholesaler and when I just started, they had just comeback from comdex where they had a booth. I was given a print out of basically ever person that was at the show. I cold called on that list for a couple months, made some good $$ too . I think it was given to them for having a booth , internext maybe the same way or if it is a avn list maybe they sold it. They are a company here to make money, I spoke about this yesterday these adult newstype companies arent news sources they are marketing engines. Its business not personal.

Finally someone who is thinking on his feet. AVN offered scanners to the company I went to internext with last year. All the ID's had a bar code on it and if you wanted to rent the bar code scanner you could get a list of everyone that visited your booth.

Check your ID Badges for internext the bar code is there.

Not saying this is what happened but definetly a good lead on what could have happened.

Problem would be at this point it could have been any vendor there.

Jason · 10-24-2003, 04:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Tipsy

Shutup and finish eating your meat you bastard. No pudding for you until you eat it all!

We dont need your mind control

HEY TIPSY.. Leave them kids alone..

sweetcuties · 10-24-2003, 04:16 PM

XxXotic · 10-24-2003, 04:20 PM

that doesnt really explain anything, i got a packet today and i didn't register with AVN for any shows

triumph · 10-24-2003, 04:23 PM

this is getting real interesting, the shit is going to hit the fan soon, and many sponsors are guilty of it!

Tipsy · 10-24-2003, 04:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornDollar

We dont need your mind control

HEY TIPSY.. Leave them kids alone..

You're getting cofused with me and the guy who thinks that we DO need some education

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 04:25 PM

Shit, I let one bastard scan my badge... I don't think I used my real address though

Lensman · 10-24-2003, 04:39 PM

In fairness to AVN, I am editing this thread. AVN didn't hand over any lists, it could have been an exhibitor who was scanning badges. And I can guess who that would have been!

WiredGuy · 10-24-2003, 04:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
In fairness to AVN, I am editing this thread. AVN didn't hand over any lists, it could have been an exhibitor who was scanning badges. And I can guess who that would have been!

I have a few guesses of my own, last thing we need at a time like this is everyone to turn on each other with accusations.

WG

homegrownmof · 10-24-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy

I have a few guesses of my own, last thing we need at a time like this is everyone to turn on each other with accusations.

WG

Maybe WiredGuy is right.

How about joining hands for a few renditions of Kumbaya?

Mutt · 10-25-2003, 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
In fairness to AVN, I am editing this thread. AVN didn't hand over any lists, it could have been an exhibitor who was scanning badges. And I can guess who that would have been!

Lensman is absolutely correct, there is no way to know how information got from point A to point B - there are many possibilities. Same goes for the other companies being accused of
handing over lists, nobody thus far knows how Acacia obtained their information. But we can speculate and share opinions between each other.

As I said in earlier posts, my friend only told he where he believed his information came from. Neither he nor I know or have any information how that information then came into Acacia's hands. I questioned him, cross examined him if u will, as to why he was so sure he knew where Acacia's information for him came from. He suggested I tell his story on GFY so other webmasters would know and others might share their information. He is NOT a webmaster, he went to a show in another capacity. I would never say something is a FACT without knowing that fact to be 100% true. Which is why when my ICQ went off and people messaged me 'So you're saying *** gave up webmasters to Acacia, I told them 'No, that's not necessarly so, I didn't say that, there are a bunch of ways Acacia could have got the info.' I am a Supreme Court judge's son, and a brother to another Supreme Court judge, I know the law by osmosis.

This is a discussion board where relevant information to the Adult Internet community is discussed from time to time. I posted at the suggestion of my friend, his story, his opinion where Acacia got the information to contact him, he is a honest as they come, has no grudges to bear against anybody in this industry, but knowing how important this issue is to so many people suggested I share his story by posting it on GFY.

JDog · 10-25-2003, 12:26 AM

I think it is still to early to keep pointing fingers. First off, this is lible - if these companies and sponsers didn't give this information out - the aucusor is fucked. Because he majorly slandered the company (in a written form), which is lible. That is wreaking their rep!

I want some hardcore evidience!

jDoG

Jamie · 10-25-2003, 12:29 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by WiredGuy
Good thing I never used my contact info when attending Internext...

WG

I've never been to Internext and I still have a letter for Acacia

sexeducation · 10-25-2003, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by JDog
I think it is still to early to keep pointing fingers. First off, this is lible - if these companies and sponsers didn't give this information out - the aucusor is fucked. Because he majorly slandered the company (in a written form), which is lible. That is wreaking their rep!

I want some hardcore evidience!

jDoG

lol ...
"evidence for accusations" on GFY?
roflmoa ..
since when?

My question is - are these companies giving Acacia the information in their "sales reports" and now claiming ignorance that Acacia had no right to use it?

like hello???
What planet are all you masters of the universe on?

Sexzity · 10-25-2003, 02:50 AM

I have a idea that the reason, some companies sign.

I thing Acacia told them that they should not pay anything, if they sign and gave the database info for acacia.
I realy would like the signing companies to scan there signed deals, so we all can read, what deals they have.

Just my

sexeducation · 10-25-2003, 02:55 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Sexzity
I have a idea that the reason, some companies sign.

I thing Acacia told them that they should not pay anything, if they sign and gave the database info for acacia.
I realy would like the signing companies to scan there signed deals, so we all can read, what deals there have.

Just my

Me too ...
PUBLISH THE CONTRACTS ...

I tell you now I will be ...
when I go to negotiate my "contract" with Acacia it will be all homepage news ...
every word ...
every letter scanned ...
all divulged for all to see ..

I am contemplating my questions I will be asking in my initial contact to secure a contract for future live video streaming and playback ...

JamesK · 10-25-2003, 02:56 AM

ffmihai · 10-25-2003, 03:03 AM

10-24-2003, 12:40 PM	#1
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	Who's turning over webmaster info to Acacia Post deleted on request. My reason is here: http://www.gofuckyourself.com/newrep...postid=2589464 __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly! Last edited by Lensman; 10-24-2003 at 04:44 PM..

10-24-2003, 12:42 PM	#2
BRISK Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 12,240	uh oh __________________ I post on GFY so that when people ask me what I do, I can tell them that I work with the mentally retarded.

10-24-2003, 12:44 PM	#3
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	this is getting big. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

10-24-2003, 12:45 PM	#4
BVF Black Vagina Finder Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: The Midwest Posts: 13,975	I was always nervous providing all of that information and all of the badge scanning and shit... __________________ Black Pussy Click On Mr Cosby..CCbill, 60/40, 136 FHG's....The Cos Loves Black Ghetto Pussy!!

10-24-2003, 12:45 PM	#5
Dawgy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 5,856	wow, does this mean i dont have to go to vegas in january? there is no way in FUCK i am support any organization that sells me out __________________ the revolution is coming.

10-24-2003, 12:47 PM	#8
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	Interesting article on AVN BTW http://www.avn.com/index.php?Primary...ntent_ID=43497 __________________ Skype: CallTomNow

10-24-2003, 12:47 PM	#9
GFED Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Posts: 8,120	dum dee dum dummm... hmmm... ACACA __________________ https://www.flow.page/savethechildren

10-24-2003, 12:50 PM	#12
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	this is definite because the guy told me when he registered for Internext I guess there was a place on the form where they want you to describe/name your company position and he made up some bogus title like head fluffer or some shit, remembers it distinctly, and sure enough whatever the bogus title he made up was, it's on the Acacia mailing he received. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-24-2003, 12:56 PM	#13
Bladewire StraightBro Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Monarch Beach, CA USA Posts: 56,229	Is a perk of Internext that anyone with a booth gets a copy of the sign ins? Has anyone asked AVN about this? I'm almost in denial. I hate to think that AVN 1) sells it's list to anyone 2) could let Acacia get a hold of our information These guys have got to post on here and speak for themselves. __________________ Skype: CallTomNow

10-24-2003, 01:09 PM	#14
Adultlegal Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Boston, MA Posts: 125	nope but just hire a hot chick to run around with a badge scanner and scan as many as possible

10-24-2003, 01:23 PM	#15
Furious_Male Doing the grind since 99 Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Buffalo NY Posts: 16,883	I have a feeling they are using more then one source to blanket mail all these webmasters. Disturbing to say the least. __________________ Living in Virtual Reality Contact: Email (preferred): furiousmale .at. gmail - Skype: live:shanedws

10-24-2003, 01:24 PM	#16
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	I've never signed up for Internext

10-24-2003, 01:31 PM	#17
TheLegacy SEO Connoisseur Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Brantford, Ontario Posts: 17,326	Before I go ape shit on AVN - like to see some proof - or at least have AVN look into it. I would hate to see it as one of our own selling out - something about pieces of silver ... Judas?? __________________ SEO Connoisseur Microsoft Teams: Robert Warren SEO Telegram: @TheLegacy54 RobertWarrenSEO.com

10-24-2003, 01:32 PM	#18
WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,497	Good thing I never used my contact info when attending Internext... WG __________________ I play with Google.

10-24-2003, 01:34 PM	#19
Suckitbitch Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Posts: 278

10-24-2003, 01:48 PM	#20
Sharpie Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 438	I don't think that Internext would give their list to Acacia. It is the most important asset they have as a TradeShow Company. More likely the list came from someone else, who may have purchased or made a deal for their list at some time in the past. BTW - our Cybernet list is NOT for sale...... or trade, or anything else!

10-24-2003, 02:21 PM	#22
Stallion Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: FL Posts: 6,632	just got my letter in the mail today. Funny thing is, I have never had any videos, streamed any videos, owned any paysites, etc. They are barking up the wrong tree on this end..

10-24-2003, 02:23 PM	#23
tucker Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: LA Posts: 584	GET A LIFE...AVN HAS NO INCENTIVE TO SELL ANYTHING TO ANYONE. Their entire business is derived from our business, its advertising and events. HOW DARE YOU ALL ACCUSE A COMPANY that has brought us together and keeps us informed. GO FUCK YOURSELF

10-24-2003, 02:40 PM	#26
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	get your tongue out of AVN's ass. It's possible AVN was duped into selling a list, not like Acacia would go 'Hey we're Acacia, we're out to rape the porn industry, how much for a list of the names and addresses of our next victims?'. There is NO doubt where Acacia got my friend's info from, NONE, ZERO, NADA, ZILCH - unknowingly by making up a phoney title for himself my friend seeded that mailing list. How Acacia got the list - ask AVN who they've sold their list to or if somebody could have gotten their list through other means. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

10-24-2003, 02:46 PM	#27
crockett in a van by the river Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 76,806	well I just got mine and I didn't go to internext.. I can't say for sure that I didn't fill out any forms on their page.. I can't remember did you have to sgin up to anything to view info about internext? I kinda figure they got my info from the forums, however my sites are not listed on the letter... just my name. __________________ In November, you can vote for America's next president or its first dictator.

10-24-2003, 02:54 PM	#28
TondaB Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: May 2002 Location: California Posts: 3,162	This was briefly mentioned already but they could have got the information from scanning badges and/or buying a list from someone who was scanning badges. When you fill out the form to get a badge all information that you give up is given to anyone that leases a badge scanner and pays for the information. That would be why I have never put any information other than an email addy on there __________________ ICQ: 61462417

10-24-2003, 02:59 PM	#29
JDog Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canby, OR Posts: 7,453	This is getting way outta control! I need some real proof that AVN did that! Have your friends come forward and confirm what you said! jDoG __________________ NSCash now powering ReelProfits.com ALSO FEATURING: NSCash.com :: SoloDollars.com :: ReelProfits.com :: BiminiBucks.com :: VOD PROGRAMS COMING SOON: Greedy Bucks :: Vengeance Cash NOW OFFERING OVER 60 SITES CONTACT :: JAMES SMITH :: CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER :: ICQ (711385133)

10-24-2003, 03:05 PM	#30
Jason Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 4,287	There's a pain you're receding A distance ship, smoke on the horizon You are only coming thru in waves Youre lips move but i can't hear what you're saying When i was a child i had a ferver My hands felt just like two balloons No i've got that feeling once again I can't explain, you would not understand This is not how i'm I have become comfotably numb __________________ I stay busy.

10-24-2003, 04:03 PM	#32
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I worked for a computer parts wholesaler and when I just started, they had just comeback from comdex where they had a booth. I was given a print out of basically ever person that was at the show. I cold called on that list for a couple months, made some good $$ too . I think it was given to them for having a booth , internext maybe the same way or if it is a avn list maybe they sold it. They are a company here to make money, I spoke about this yesterday these adult newstype companies arent news sources they are marketing engines. Its business not personal.

10-24-2003, 04:16 PM	#35
sweetcuties Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Somewhere Posts: 5,859	bump

10-24-2003, 04:20 PM	#36
XxXotic Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Da Swamps Posts: 8,500	that doesnt really explain anything, i got a packet today and i didn't register with AVN for any shows __________________ Sponsors.. Tired of people not using your shitty RSS Feeds? Let Us Help You! Oxeo - Serious Hosting For Serious Webmasters. iCQ:135.887013

10-24-2003, 04:23 PM	#37
triumph Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 3,433	this is getting real interesting, the shit is going to hit the fan soon, and many sponsors are guilty of it!

10-24-2003, 04:25 PM	#39
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Shit, I let one bastard scan my badge... I don't think I used my real address though

10-24-2003, 04:39 PM	#40
Lensman GFY Chaperone Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Adult.com Posts: 9,846	In fairness to AVN, I am editing this thread. AVN didn't hand over any lists, it could have been an exhibitor who was scanning badges. And I can guess who that would have been!

10-25-2003, 12:26 AM	#44
JDog Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Canby, OR Posts: 7,453	I think it is still to early to keep pointing fingers. First off, this is lible - if these companies and sponsers didn't give this information out - the aucusor is fucked. Because he majorly slandered the company (in a written form), which is lible. That is wreaking their rep! I want some hardcore evidience! jDoG __________________ NSCash now powering ReelProfits.com ALSO FEATURING: NSCash.com :: SoloDollars.com :: ReelProfits.com :: BiminiBucks.com :: VOD PROGRAMS COMING SOON: Greedy Bucks :: Vengeance Cash NOW OFFERING OVER 60 SITES CONTACT :: JAMES SMITH :: CHIEF TECHNOLOGY OFFICER :: ICQ (711385133)

10-25-2003, 02:50 AM	#47
Sexzity Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Cyperspaces! Posts: 1,329	I have a idea that the reason, some companies sign. I thing Acacia told them that they should not pay anything, if they sign and gave the database info for acacia. I realy would like the signing companies to scan there signed deals, so we all can read, what deals they have. Just my Last edited by Sexzity; 10-25-2003 at 02:54 AM..

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