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broke · 10-25-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt

avion · 10-25-2003, 08:01 AM

need more oppinions - do you think this one would sell ? does it look sexy? should I change the 'playboy playmate' to neriah's name ?

come guys...hot or not ?

Avion

pantymaniac · 10-25-2003, 08:47 AM

it took me 40 min to read all posts

this thread is faboulous

KRL · 10-25-2003, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by pantymaniac
it took me 40 min to read all posts

this thread is faboulous

Life is good.

Chris E · 10-25-2003, 09:03 AM

Tried to read all of it but damn this is one long thread.

SweetDreams · 10-25-2003, 09:58 AM

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Originally posted by avion

need more oppinions - do you think this one would sell ? does it look sexy? should I change the 'playboy playmate' to neriah's name ?

come guys...hot or not ?

Avion

Yeah... maybe change that is a nice idea... but as I have already told you, this design is just perfect and easy to make the tours based on it...
Well... in my opinion, you are the WINNER!!!!

adultwebware · 10-25-2003, 10:39 AM

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Originally posted by Meta Ridley

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avion · 10-25-2003, 10:41 AM

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Originally posted by Chris E
Tried to read all of it but damn this is one long thread.

could have missed thefly posts

Avion

digifan · 10-25-2003, 01:37 PM

Avion,

your design rocks, sexy as hell.. just what makes the surfers pulling out the plastic.

Nice job.

avion · 10-25-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by digifan
Avion,

your design rocks, sexy as hell.. just what makes the surfers pulling out the plastic.

Nice job.

why dont I see your vote then

thanks though!

teomaxxx · 10-25-2003, 02:29 PM

hamlet rocks, to drink or not to drink. or said he it in other words?

avion · 10-25-2003, 02:52 PM

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Originally posted by SweetDreams

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Originally posted by avion

need more oppinions - do you think this one would sell ? does it look sexy? should I change the 'playboy playmate' to neriah's name ?

come guys...hot or not ?

Avion

Yeah... maybe change that is a nice idea... but as I have already told you, this design is just perfect and easy to make the tours based on it...
Well... in my opinion, you are the WINNER!!!!

hey, thanks man! I appreciate it! I really tried to make it look more sexy, more appealing...so it can bring more sales...After all that is what this design is for

Neriah Davis · 10-25-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by avion

need more oppinions - do you think this one would sell ? does it look sexy? should I change the 'playboy playmate' to neriah's name ?

come guys...hot or not ?

Avion

Hot Avion!
I really like it. I have still not made my decision yet. They are all fantastic. I love them ALL!
Digipimp...awesome job! I live it...it is different than the others, but that may be working in your favor. I think I will add you to the poll.

It looks like Hamlet's is the most popular, but my decision will not be made Monday eve. I am out of town...on dial-up, but I just read this whole thread....highly entertaining! The arguments are interesting and make me think. It's good that people have differences of opinion. How boring would this world be if we all liked the same thing????

I appreciate all of your time and submissions. I want to get my new designer asap, so my tour can convert like mad.

Have an awesome weekend....and KEEP VOTING!!

TheFLY · 10-25-2003, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy
[B]The primary colour scheme lacks the excitement fucking a playboy model on a yacht should convey.

Who said anything about fucking her?

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Even the loafer and pastel wearing golfers it's targetted at can use a little splash of colour when pussy is involved and just because your screen is flat doesn't mean the imagery on it has to be.

HAAAHAHAHAHAHA

digifan · 10-25-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by avion

why dont I see your vote then

thanks though!

I was voting when the poll was posted and it was not easy

TheFLY · 10-25-2003, 05:30 PM

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The image of neriah you've used isn't that great compared to the others.

And your reason is?

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the position of the bently is frustrating, the visual weight of the page is lopsided and it's showing enough to distract from the rest of the design, but not enough of itself to be of gratification.

Frustrated how? So this provokes you? If you are frustrated, that might be a good thing to make sales.

Maybe you don't like my design because it's just that good -- you feel inferior to all my bling bling abilities.

How is the weight lopsided? Because the sky is empty? You're not taking into consideration the surrounding HTML/text either... if you took the horizon lines into the HTML all the way to the edge and did the whole background of the screen the same colors the balance would be pretty badass I think...

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Given the \/\ line used to balance and direct the eye goes as much to the bentley as it does to the start button this is innapropriate.

I think most people read from left to right... Why is that inappropriate to see the "ENTER" link as the last thing in the visual flow?

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And is shown by the size, contrast and bolding that the "start" area has had to endure to help compensate it. Although the effort to do so is well noted.

Yeah the black/white pulls you along there, among other things...

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The bentley bleeds to the bottom of the page without as much care as it needed - just truncated in the middle of a black front bumper - though effort has been made to line the highlights from the top of the bumper up with the bottom of the screen it's out of proportion with the black space left by the same element on the left and doesn't give the proper form of the car.

I admit the car there is pretty distracting, but I was very careful how I put it there -- I even distorted the car a little so that I could hit the horizon the way I wanted to and still hit the bottom edge without showing the messy details like the license plate, etc... In reality, I think we are talking about some pretty edgy stuff... and I don't take this design THAT seriously to be honest -- although this is all very fun -- BUT that said, since this is a collage -- the car really makes you aware that it is a collage, and even the perspective of the laptop of off and the slight wierdness of scale and position I was hoping would throw off the viewer... I think it is a good idea to take a person's notion of reality -- and fuck with it A LITTLE BIT -- but not too much -- so they wonder why I fucked with them just THIS MUCH and not a WHOLE BUNCH... Cezanne does this with his lines -- if you notice he will have an object in front of a straight line but the line is not really straight -- but it's just OFF a little bit, and the intent is clear -- it's just enough to fuck with your head... and that's what I think intelligent design does -- it throws you off balance a little bit so you have to scratch your chin a little bit and say, "Hmmm..." Hence my "mental institution" style of GFY posting...

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The playboy logo SHOULD have been used. Never overestimate the surfer. Without it she could just be eyecandy for a rich boy's toy's expo.

Maybe, but I'm pretty sure I heard Lensman say in a D-Money interview about Playboy was real picky about this... I could be wrong though... Anyway, I suppose I'm learning that the designer in many cases in this biz is also responsible for the wording of marketing text -- which is pretty sad I think... but that's always good to know -- I'm learning... The whole Playboy thing -- that's for Neriah to figure out with Playboy... and I'm sure she is thinking about her strategy with Playboy as the marketplace changes... if she really wants to be a Playmate, why not just put some ears on her damn head... Hehe... anyway you could look at it from different angles -- maybe guys will think -- "Why join this site when I could join Playboy.com and get the same pics + all the other Playmates?" If I was her I think I would present the Playboy issue as receiving an award -- show the date -- and show is more as an accolade and less as being under somebody's umbrella of power... because I'm sure there is that stigma to some extent... clinging on too hard to the Playboy logo could be seen as weakness, especially considering that Playboy is nothing without these models and the fact that she is a name to remember gives her some well-deserved superiority... and no I'm not kissing ass -- because I rarely have nice things to say about models... all you have to do is look at her pics...

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I am in two minds of the "bling" aspect. It's not contemporary and fairly muted which can either be good or bad depending on the tastes of the surfers.

Me too... I suppose it comes down to trying it to see if it will convert...

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Many problems with this design could be resolved by increasing the canvas area to that of the other designs and focussing a lot more on imagery of neriah, so that the playboy toys are still integrated, but the surfer doesn't feel like he's busting a nut over a yacht instead of a girl implied on a yacht.

I designed it at a much higher resolution so I could render it at any size... Generally for the first page of a tour I don't think you need a HUGE image -- and like I said I would incorporate the design into the HTML layout... I can seriously see your point, and I suggested that to Neriah when I first started talking to her about this before the design contest -- but I got carried away with the horizontal theme since that's how I do many of my drawings and paintings -- so that's sortof my trademark style... so yeah I'm guilty of the emphasis on the horizon and the long format with the wierd left-to-right composition... It's unique to me and interesting and that's why I like it.

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The design isn't technically bad at all, but it also lacks the finishing and refinement that could have been used instead of just relying on the imagery of rich things to convey it. [/B]

I agree to some extent. I'm not really taking advantage of the "digital" aspect of the image -- I'm not using filters or fancy fonts... because at least in my circle -- those things are seen as tacky and unoriginal... but looking at the reaction that Hamlet got with with his shiny blue emboss-like effect -- people go for shit that shines -- and that's exactly why comic books and cartoons go WAY overboard on shiny swords and chrome robots... I suppose that's just part of popular culture now and I need to get with the times -- just go with it instead of trying to fight it...

Anyway, I've been acting like an ass in this thread but it's all in good fun -- and I'm glad this thread has been so popular and I'm sure Neriah will get lots of webmasters interested in her product because of this thread... My tactics are very controversial but you can all go fuck yourselfs...

I appreciate these comments -- especially from very talented graphic designers... I really don't take this contest that seriously -- and I think anyone with a little wit can see that just be reading my posts with a grain of salt...

TheFLY · 10-25-2003, 05:36 PM

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Originally posted by avion

could have missed thefly posts

Avion

Thank you.

TheFLY · 10-25-2003, 05:39 PM

My 4% has all the bling baby.

harvey · 10-25-2003, 08:02 PM

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Originally posted by bhutocracy

The playboy logo SHOULD have been used. Never overestimate the surfer. Without it she could just be eyecandy for a rich boy's toy's expo.

yes. if you're looking for trouble and you have a really big wallet

As somebody said, maybe you can use the words "playboy" and "playmate" because she earned that title and goes with her, it 's part of her identity and cannot be denied. Now, fooling with logos, which she's no right to use unless she wants to spends loads of money in courts to MAYBE try to prove her right to use them, is simply playing with fire. That's why I decided to use only the words and a subtle bunny ears, no mention to isotypes or logotypes whatsoever, no legal problems at all.

harvey · 10-25-2003, 08:14 PM

@ The Fly

that sofide post was me, I couldn't remember my pass as I was on another PC and I made another temp nickname. My site was Sex-o-pedia, just in case

and it was big when most of GFY users were at school

now, if you want me to defend my design (you know, you weren't the only one attending school, only that I attended Advertisement & Marketing Media) here you go:

Tecnically, my design is a diptic, just made to fit 800x600 rez (then the design shows nothing but her face and the enter link) and if you have higher rez or wanna see more (this means that it requires the viewer interactivity), then you see her beautiful chest, some "almost subliminal" words and a graphical and psychological invitation to go up to the word ENTER. There are only 4 elements: her name, herself, the enter link and this graphic trick to make your eyes go up. And this is not a tour, just a splash page, as requested. I really could say what is wrong with your design from marketing and psychology, because remember that there are differences between "art" and "commercial art", but I prefer to focus on my stuff and not enter a technical debate, because there's no point and it's very boring to the public

btw, I've seen your pictures and I like them a lot, I know you're an artist, cheers to you

and about the "eighties" thing... even when you're wrong, it wouldn't be bad, in any case it would be "trendy" and "up with the times" since there's a revival of eighties in design, fashion, music, and art in general, leave the cave for 5 minutes, you bear(d) boy

Digipimp · 10-26-2003, 05:38 AM

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Originally posted by Neriah Davis

Hot Avion!
I really like it. I have still not made my decision yet. They are all fantastic. I love them ALL!
Digipimp...awesome job! I live it...it is different than the others, but that may be working in your favor. I think I will add you to the poll.

It looks like Hamlet's is the most popular, but my decision will not be made Monday eve. I am out of town...on dial-up, but I just read this whole thread....highly entertaining! The arguments are interesting and make me think. It's good that people have differences of opinion. How boring would this world be if we all liked the same thing????

I appreciate all of your time and submissions. I want to get my new designer asap, so my tour can convert like mad.

Have an awesome weekend....and KEEP VOTING!!

Thanks I hope you can see that mine is just the begining of an idea that gets tweaked with different thumbs and text or whatever to make it suit your site more. I just did a rush on it for you as you already know, but there's an idea there to be explored. Thanks, I'll talk to you when you get back.

Reny · 10-26-2003, 12:45 PM

bumpo

10-26-2003, 12:50 PM

Hamlets is the best looking one in the list
but Avion sure knows how to design

I LOVED this one from him

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-26-2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by Digipimp

Thanks I hope you can see that mine is just the begining of an idea that gets tweaked with different thumbs and text or whatever to make it suit your site more. I just did a rush on it for you as you already know, but there's an idea there to be explored. Thanks, I'll talk to you when you get back.

I just now seen your design... I had to ignore this thread for a bit cause it was most disturbing to see the bickering like schoolboys over the one pretty blonde girl in the playground

but i liked your design as well...
Lots of great designs have been posted..and if anything comes out of this thread it will be some work thrown to all that participated..good luck

RockDaddy · 10-26-2003, 01:06 PM

I like Harvey's layout because it looks elegant and classy.
I like the pic used by Avion because it looks sexy and erotic
I like the thumbs on Hamlets which show what all your site offers.

Mix up the three and that would be the one

avion · 10-26-2003, 01:09 PM

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Originally posted by bdjuf
Hamlets is the best looking one in the list
but Avion sure knows how to design

thanks man! I am trying to create my designs as sexy as possible, to get the surfers as hot as possible, so they can whip out their cards and buy, buy, buy...

I also like this one, but unfortinately it wasnt included amongst the finalists...Not complaining though, I like the one included more

if you need anything designed hit me up on ICQ: 162282840

Avion

johnbosh · 10-26-2003, 01:10 PM

you've got some pretty neat byot sites

avion · 10-26-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by johnbosh
you've got some pretty neat byot sites

thanks man - and some of them convert really great too

more will come after I get back from AOE in Prague...and a new facelift of byotcash.com as well

TheFLY · 10-26-2003, 01:51 PM

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Originally posted by harvey
@ The Fly

that sofide post was me, I couldn't remember my pass as I was on another PC and I made another temp nickname. My site was Sex-o-pedia, just in case and it was big when most of GFY users were at school

Damn... you had me wondering hehe.... Wow Sex-o-pedia, yeah you're the guy that stole my A-Z format hehe -- or at least I thought you did hehe -- I guess my idea wasn't THAT original -- I was just upset to have any competition back then -- I got pissed off and wouldn't trade with you for a while, but your site got really big I remember -- you worked hard on it and I think we had a small trade for a while after that but it probably died... Anyway, I'm glad you're still in this biz -- that's very cool... !!! On GFY, doing graphics! Damn small world.

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I really could say what is wrong with your design from marketing and psychology, because remember that there are differences between "art" and "commercial art", but I prefer to focus on my stuff and not enter a technical debate, because there's no point and it's very boring to the public

Well maybe you don't want to give out your secrets.... One of the reasons I started going crazy in this thread -- I was reading about art critics last week -- very fascinating stuff -- and I realized there was no art-discussion on the web that I knew of -- I had some ideas which I'd rather not give away for free -- but anyhow I'm glad to see deeper perspectives on GFY into the thinking behind what goes into these designs...

And I have no clue about commercial design -- and I like it that way :p

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btw, I've seen your pictures and I like them a lot, I know you're an artist, cheers to you

and about the "eighties" thing... even when you're wrong, it wouldn't be bad, in any case it would be "trendy" and "up with the times" since there's a revival of eighties in design, fashion, music, and art in general, leave the cave for 5 minutes, you bear(d) boy

Yeah you got me there

I'll have to check out your site now...

TheFLY · 10-26-2003, 01:54 PM

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Originally posted by C_U_Next_Tuesday

I just now seen your design... I had to ignore this thread for a bit cause it was most disturbing to see the bickering like schoolboys over the one pretty blonde girl in the playground

Aww are you feeling neglected?

JSA Matt · 10-26-2003, 02:00 PM

Seriously though, who couldn't make a design look good with this girl? Well, besides TheFLY...

avion · 10-26-2003, 02:03 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt
Seriously though, who couldn't make a design look good with this girl? Well, besides TheFLY...

you are playing with the fire man...

C_U_Next_Tuesday · 10-26-2003, 02:13 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Aww are you feeling neglected?

nah.. thats not the case..although i wish it were sometimes..lol

"I yam what I yam" ..yarg!

Yakuza · 10-26-2003, 02:20 PM

KATSUKI

harvey · 10-26-2003, 09:12 PM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Wow Sex-o-pedia, yeah you're the guy that stole my A-Z format hehe

Mine was the first ever, you can ask anyone ;) then came you and Freeones

Neriah Davis · 10-26-2003, 09:31 PM

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Originally posted by RockDaddy
I like Harvey's layout because it looks elegant and classy.
I like the pic used by Avion because it looks sexy and erotic
I like the thumbs on Hamlets which show what all your site offers.

Mix up the three and that would be the one

I am feeling you here!!!!!!

michaelpee · 10-26-2003, 10:18 PM

katsuki

tootie · 10-26-2003, 10:29 PM

Yes, avion does some nice work

Digipimp · 10-26-2003, 11:45 PM

I have no votes and no one loves me.

Raf1 · 10-27-2003, 11:01 AM

for me avions and hamlets are the best designs, but they are all great

Neriah Davis · 10-27-2003, 03:07 PM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
I have no votes and no one loves me.

That is so not true!!!

Nikoleta · 10-27-2003, 03:07 PM

just read the whole thread and I am really impressed! awesome designs!

Nikoleta · 10-27-2003, 03:14 PM

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Originally posted by Neriah Davis

That is so not true!!!

cool

avion · 10-27-2003, 03:15 PM

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Originally posted by Neriah Davis

That is so not true!!!

damn! you are a lucky guy man!

hey Neriah, why dont you give all the designers here a real signed pic from you

no matter who wins and who looses...

Ozzymosis1 · 10-27-2003, 03:16 PM

Madcapa is a pimp, and he does good work!

Digipimp · 10-27-2003, 03:27 PM

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Originally posted by Neriah Davis

That is so not true!!!

I think I love you.

Neriah Davis · 10-27-2003, 03:29 PM

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Originally posted by avion

damn! you are a lucky guy man!

hey Neriah, why dont you give all the designers here a real signed pic from you no matter who wins and who looses...

Great idea!
Any of the awesome designers in this competition who wants a photo...email me at neriah at neriah dot com.

Just to show my sincere appreciation.
Oh... let me know who to sign it to as well.
I will be making my decision tonight and let you know tomorrow. At this point I still have not decided on anyone....this is really tough!

avion · 10-27-2003, 03:39 PM

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Originally posted by Digipimp

I think I love you.

never mix business with pleasure....

Nasty D · 10-27-2003, 04:20 PM

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Originally posted by avion

never mix business with pleasure....

What if they are in different zip codes?

KRL · 10-27-2003, 04:25 PM

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Originally posted by avion

never mix business with pleasure....

I like Hef's quote on that better.

"Always mix business with pleasure."

View Poll Results: Who should design my next tour?
Harvey	47	16.15%
Katsuki	34	11.68%
Madcapa	38	13.06%
Y0nki	9	3.09%
Avion	39	13.40%
The Fly	10	3.44%
Hamlet	114	39.18%
Voters: 291. You may not vote on this poll

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10-25-2003, 01:37 PM	#309
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10-25-2003, 08:14 PM	#320
harvey Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: 127.0.0.1 Posts: 9,266	@ The Fly that sofide post was me, I couldn't remember my pass as I was on another PC and I made another temp nickname. My site was Sex-o-pedia, just in case and it was big when most of GFY users were at school now, if you want me to defend my design (you know, you weren't the only one attending school, only that I attended Advertisement & Marketing Media) here you go: Tecnically, my design is a diptic, just made to fit 800x600 rez (then the design shows nothing but her face and the enter link) and if you have higher rez or wanna see more (this means that it requires the viewer interactivity), then you see her beautiful chest, some "almost subliminal" words and a graphical and psychological invitation to go up to the word ENTER. There are only 4 elements: her name, herself, the enter link and this graphic trick to make your eyes go up. And this is not a tour, just a splash page, as requested. I really could say what is wrong with your design from marketing and psychology, because remember that there are differences between "art" and "commercial art", but I prefer to focus on my stuff and not enter a technical debate, because there's no point and it's very boring to the public btw, I've seen your pictures and I like them a lot, I know you're an artist, cheers to you and about the "eighties" thing... even when you're wrong, it wouldn't be bad, in any case it would be "trendy" and "up with the times" since there's a revival of eighties in design, fashion, music, and art in general, leave the cave for 5 minutes, you bear(d) boy __________________ This post is endorsed by CIA, KGB, MI6, the Mafia, Illuminati, Kim Jong Il, Worldwide Ninjas Association, Klingon Empire and lolcats. Don't mess around with it, just accept it and embrace the truth Last edited by harvey; 10-25-2003 at 08:18 PM..

10-26-2003, 10:29 PM	#338
tootie Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Planet Earp Posts: 6,041	Yes, avion does some nice work __________________

10-25-2003, 08:01 AM	#302
avion Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: right next to u Posts: 1,403	need more oppinions - do you think this one would sell ? does it look sexy? should I change the 'playboy playmate' to neriah's name ? come guys...hot or not ? Avion

10-25-2003, 09:03 AM	#305
Chris E Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,895	Tried to read all of it but damn this is one long thread.

10-25-2003, 02:29 PM	#311
teomaxxx Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,734	hamlet rocks, to drink or not to drink. or said he it in other words?

10-25-2003, 05:39 PM	#318
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	My 4% has all the bling baby.

10-26-2003, 12:45 PM	#322
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10-26-2003, 12:50 PM	#323
buddyjuf Guest Posts: n/a	Hamlets is the best looking one in the list but Avion sure knows how to design I LOVED this one from him

10-26-2003, 01:06 PM	#325
RockDaddy Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2001 Posts: 750	I like Harvey's layout because it looks elegant and classy. I like the pic used by Avion because it looks sexy and erotic I like the thumbs on Hamlets which show what all your site offers. Mix up the three and that would be the one

10-26-2003, 01:10 PM	#327
johnbosh Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: The Netherlands, Rotterdam Posts: 8,965	you've got some pretty neat byot sites

10-26-2003, 02:00 PM	#331
JSA Matt So Fucking Banned Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 5,464	Seriously though, who couldn't make a design look good with this girl? Well, besides TheFLY...

10-26-2003, 02:20 PM	#334
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10-27-2003, 03:07 PM	#342
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Ozzymosis1 Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: United States Occupation: Traffic Broker Company: Fast Adult Traffic URL: FastAdultTraffic.com ICQ: 233907523 Posts: 2,094	Madcapa is a pimp, and he does good work! __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.