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ElvisManson · 10-24-2003, 06:39 AM

Harvey..I love that clean look.

rooster · 10-24-2003, 06:40 AM

digipimps is the best because it looks good and does the best job of marketing. Marketing is what leads to signups not a bunch of pretty graphics

Meta Ridley · 10-24-2003, 06:50 AM

avion · 10-24-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Meta Ridley

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 06:52 AM

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Originally posted by Meta Ridley

Lol that's great!!

Digipimp · 10-24-2003, 06:58 AM

I'm not in the poll because I wasn't going to participate but I decided to whip this up in an hour or so last night for Neriah since she's such a great girl. I normally only have ever designed for myself. So here it is, needs more work done, I only got an hour and a half in and most of that was thought. So hope you guys like and hope Neriah likes, I think it will bring people in for sure.

Hunter_ST · 10-24-2003, 07:40 AM

Hamlet's design is cool, but it should be carried through the rest of the site, too, including the member section.

If the member's section bears no resemblence to the cover, then members might get turned off, feeling they were cheated.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 07:47 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt

LOL.... yeah FUCK TV.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by extreme

Whoa, this just turned ugly =D.

Hehe yeah I'm the best living art critic on the planet.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 07:52 AM

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Originally posted by Melisa
Hamlet's is great as long as his name is Ryan Ford:

LiquiSoft

BTW - I am new. Shall I go fuck myself?

LOL BUSTED!!!! UNORIGINAL DESIGN

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 07:53 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Hehe yeah I'm the best living art critic on the planet.

In your mind dear :P Art is only a SMALL part of design.. MARKETING is more important than art :P

Digipimp · 10-24-2003, 07:56 AM

I'm not in the poll because I was late getting in since I decided to throw a little something together at the very last minute. But I think it's marketable for sure and would get surfers in the door!

jayeff · 10-24-2003, 08:03 AM

It's dangerous to make assumptions such as saying that elegant doesn't sell. Particularly in this business, when renewals would/could/should earn more than initial sales, targeting the 'right' audience is at least as important as going flat-out for maximum impact.

Another mistake in this industry is that we all tend to climb on whatever bandwagon is rolling past. So at a given moment most designers are doing broadly similar work. As a result, only content differentiates one site from another and everyone ends up competing for a (very small) part of the total audience within their niche.

(That's the reason webmasters often claim that simple is best. It works not because it is simple, but because it appeals to a type of customer that fewer are fighting over. Sad reality is that between simple and the design style of the moment are maybe 80% of the potential customers that no-one is marketing to at all.)

Unless Neriah wants a change of image and certainly if she is happy to stress her Playmate status, then elegant is good. Playboy demographics (last time I checked) have most buyers at 35+ and well off. The whole Playboy 'thing' is about fantasy women. Playboy isn't in-your-face porn like Bangbus for example. Neriah's photographs (at least the ones used in these designs, are very much in that mold and if that is what you are selling, it would be crazy to pitch away from your natural audience to an audience that is looking for something else.

That's why I thought most of the designs were well on track. I have a feeling that Hamlet's design is scoring so well because of the logo. It is a cool logo but I would question its appeal to potential customers likely 10+ years older than the average age here. The rest of his design would work really well for them, but it is sublimated because the logo is so strong.

I think it was Fly described Madcapa's design as 'too rectangular', but IMO it strikes a good balance between creating the fantasy of a Playmate while using the thumbs to highlight Neriah's 'assets'.

In Neriah's place I would ask Harvey to redo the logo and Madcapa to rework his text to make the entry more obvious. If both agreed, I wouldn't make a decision until I had seen the results.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:04 AM

Hamlet you fucking suck -- stealing designs from other websites and then slapping your own shitty logo onto it?

Wow I'm Hamlet and I discovered how to steal designs from other sites and then add photoshop filters

Let me know when you graduate off stolen designs and comic book panels

PS: Nice fucking horns in your logo... Stick to comic books

voodooman · 10-24-2003, 08:05 AM

MADCAPA: Too many rectangles -- boring layout. What does "NS" stand for? All I can think of is the NAS rapper logo. <img src="http://www.mcm.net/cm/image/artistes/pochettecd/nas_stillmatic.jpg"> Wow you discovered layers in photoshop too...

NS???

Dude, thats a D for Davis.
Damn, In not even a designer and I could see that.

Martin · 10-24-2003, 08:06 AM

I'll tell you this. You make them all look good to me.

IntenseCash · 10-24-2003, 08:09 AM

Hamlet! thats an awesome design.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:10 AM

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Originally posted by jayeff
Playboy demographics (last time I checked) have most buyers at 35+ and well off. The whole Playboy 'thing' is about fantasy women. Playboy isn't in-your-face porn like Bangbus for example. Neriah's photographs (at least the ones used in these designs, are very much in that mold and if that is what you are selling, it would be crazy to pitch away from your natural audience to an audience that is looking for something else.

After reading what you just said, why would you suggest these immature, childish designs?

Digipimp · 10-24-2003, 08:11 AM

In light of the circumstances I say we start a new poll since we have a stolen design and mine needs to be included now!

GoNe · 10-24-2003, 08:13 AM

Havent read any of the posts here except the first 2

So dont know if the contest is over or not but my vote
goes to Hamlet

Peace

Also Neriah when you gonna hit me up?

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:16 AM

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Originally posted by voodooman
MADCAPA: Too many rectangles -- boring layout. What does "NS" stand for? All I can think of is the NAS rapper logo. <img src="http://www.mcm.net/cm/image/artistes/pochettecd/nas_stillmatic.jpg"> Wow you discovered layers in photoshop too...

NS???

Dude, thats a D for Davis.
Damn, In not even a designer and I could see that.

Are you on crack? Look again -- unless this is a LOWERCASE "D" it looks more like an "S"... I'm telling you NAS posters were ALL over the place last I visited NYC and this grafitti/thug-style text is nearly identical to it

Why would this model want graphics that match a popular rapper's trademark logo? HAAAAAAAAAAA

avion · 10-24-2003, 08:19 AM

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Originally posted by jayeff

The whole Playboy 'thing' is about fantasy women. Playboy isn't in-your-face porn like Bangbus for example. Neriah's photographs (at least the ones used in these designs, are very much in that mold and if that is what you are selling, it would be crazy to pitch away from your natural audience to an audience that is looking for something else.

second that - it is all about fantasy and sexy...

but hey man you didnt comment our design

what do we need to improve/change?

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:20 AM

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Originally posted by GoNe
Havent read any of the posts here except the first 2
So dont know if the contest is over or not but my vote
goes to Hamlet

Peace

Also Neriah when you gonna hit me up?

You just chose the design with the stolen graphics, Image comics panel layout + anime cartoon horns... Nice one

Did you finish highschool yet?

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by The Truth Hurts

creative and elegant is boring.

Get some pics taken with a big fat cock somewhere in the vicinity of your mouth, and slap that on the front page...

that'll get people in the mood to spend some cash on ya.

especially when you consider that I found all the 'elegant' pics you're probably gonna have in the members area less than 2 seconds... for free.

Apparently you have NO clue about the babe niche whatsoever.

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 08:21 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

You just chose the design with the stolen graphics, Image comics panel layout + anime cartoon horns... Nice one

Did you finish highschool yet?

I think you're the one busy picking everything apart.. And actually I can see how that design has elementsof the other, but it's a far cry from being "stolen", unless I missed something.

avion · 10-24-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
In light of the circumstances I say we start a new poll since we have a stolen design and mine needs to be included now!

Neriah should really post this poll to her current site members...Let them decide...

Avion

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by Digipimp
In light of the circumstances I say we start a new poll since we have a stolen design and mine needs to be included now!

Yeah hilarious... that guy's artistic integrity is down the toilet.

Digipimp · 10-24-2003, 08:23 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

You just chose the design with the stolen graphics, Image comics panel layout + anime cartoon horns... Nice one

Did you finish highschool yet?

Pick mine apart flizzy, I know mine sucks and I just slapped it together in a rush last night in just over and hour.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:27 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I think you're the one busy picking everything apart.. And actually I can see how that design has elementsof the other, but it's a far cry from being "stolen", unless I missed something.

It's the same design... without the stolen sunflowers borders, what is left? His cool Voltron inspired logo?

That kid should go back to watching catroons...

<img src="http://www.ghg.net/wduncan/voltron/voltitle.jpg">

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:32 AM

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Originally posted by Digipimp

Pick mine apart flizzy, I know mine sucks and I just slapped it together in a rush last night in just over and hour.

Study Hans Hoffman's teachings -- he's the godfather of modern art...

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:36 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

In your mind dear :P Art is only a SMALL part of design.. MARKETING is more important than art :P

Tell that to the guy that shoots Neriah's pics. Ask HIM what design he likes the best -- I already know the answer. The guy has skill, training and taste... Let's see your tour Lady Mischief?

ideasign · 10-24-2003, 08:37 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
Neriah must be allergic to apples or something cuz this is a beautiful design.

I think she hates apples, and i think not many people want to work with russians, it is true, because, we are ugly and bad and we all are gangsters!

hehe

Of course in young years Neriah hear all this stupid shit

Danil,
www.ideasign.ru

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:38 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

In your mind dear :P Art is only a SMALL part of design.. MARKETING is more important than art :P

And don't ever call me "dear" again when suggesting that you know more about art than I do.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:41 AM

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Originally posted by ideasign

I think she hates apples, and i think not many people want to work with russians, it is true, because, we are ugly and bad and we all are gangsters! hehe

Of course in young years Neriah hear all this stupid shit

Danil,
www.ideasign.ru

This was a great idea because of the sensory appeal, but the image looks contrived -- if she really wanted to pose on fruit for her own site, on the front page -- she would have done a pose especially for that purpose so she didn't look like she was falling off the cherry...

natas · 10-24-2003, 08:44 AM

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Originally posted by Meta Ridley

damn! that's funny

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Why do you have to pick everyone's apart just because you didn't get picked, you brat :P Just be happy for whoever wins :P

Artists need to be told when they suck -- there's enough bad art out there already -- we don't need more.

Digipimp · 10-24-2003, 08:45 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Study Hans Hoffman's teachings -- he's the godfather of modern art...

Not sure that's what I asked you at all?

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Artists need to be told when they suck -- there's enough bad art out there already -- we don't need more.

Yes, but this isn't art.. This is MARKETING. NOBODY is going to sell a site with art. They WILL sell a site with good layouts, appealing text, etc etc.. It's just like a newspaper ad, not a painting hanging in a museum, my dear.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:47 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

It's the same design... without the stolen sunflowers borders, what is left? His cool Voltron inspired logo? That kid should go back to watching catroons...

<img src="http://www.ghg.net/wduncan/voltron/voltitle.jpg">

I think it's hilarious you can turn Hamlet's logo upsidedown and it looks just like the Voltron sword!

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 08:48 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

And don't ever call me "dear" again when suggesting that you know more about art than I do.

I NEVER suggested I know more about art. I *DO* however know more about marketing, and art is only a small part of that :P

HarlotCash Dyker · 10-24-2003, 08:48 AM

Katsuki gets my vote - Just - They are all good designs.

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

Yes, but this isn't art.. This is MARKETING. NOBODY is going to sell a site with art. They WILL sell a site with good layouts, appealing text, etc etc.. It's just like a newspaper ad, not a painting hanging in a museum, my dear.

Hello? What are these guys paying for?

The photography!!! This is not Bangbus or a hardcore site.

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 08:49 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Tell that to the guy that shoots Neriah's pics. Ask HIM what design he likes the best -- I already know the answer. The guy has skill, training and taste... Let's see your tour Lady Mischief?

Lol my tour for what? My specialty is design, TO SELL THINGS. Not design just for something pretty to look at.. I've been EXTREMELY successful at SALES, and THAT is what we're here for isn't it? Not an art review.. For your information I built most of Neriah's hosted galleries, and they do quite well.

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 08:50 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Hello? What are these guys paying for?

The photography!!! This is not Bangbus or a hardcore site.

Yes, but photography needs to be marketed too.. trust me, I'm a photographer, internationally published in the mainstream world. I had to market my stuff to get that far, you know. :P

Sharky · 10-24-2003, 08:54 AM

It's a tie between MADCAPA & Hamlet!

If either of these guys need a design job, Hit me up.. you did great work

ideasign · 10-24-2003, 08:54 AM

TheFLY · 10-24-2003, 08:55 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

I NEVER suggested I know more about art. I *DO* however know more about marketing, and art is only a small part of that :P

I've been in this niche since '98 -- the vast majority of glamour pics are artistic... most of the guys surfing these softcore glamour sites are looking at pics scanned from fashion/photography/art magazines. If you know Neriah's referrers like I do -- you would know that -- I've been trading with those guys for a long time. What sells the site is the photography/art and the model.

Digipimp · 10-24-2003, 08:56 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

I've been in this niche since '98 -- the vast majority of glamour pics are artistic... most of the guys surfing these softcore glamour sites are looking at pics scanned from fashion/photography/art magazines. If you know Neriah's referrers like I do -- you would know that -- I've been trading with those guys for a long time. What sells the site is the photography/art and the model.

So a design like mine basically then. Since I had to rush and do it in just over an hour, a little more work on it and it would be all good!

slackologist · 10-24-2003, 08:58 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

Artists need to be told when they suck -- there's enough bad art out there already -- we don't need more.

I agree, and you suck! i'm sure i saw something like your design back in the 80's except it was much higher quality. But that's OK.. It's hard not being the best or the most popular, i'm sure you'll get used to it, there there.

LadyMischief · 10-24-2003, 08:59 AM

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Originally posted by TheFLY

I've been in this niche since '98 -- the vast majority of glamour pics are artistic... most of the guys surfing these softcore glamour sites are looking at pics scanned from fashion/photography/art magazines. If you know Neriah's referrers like I do -- you would know that -- I've been trading with those guys for a long time. What sells the site is the photography/art and the model.

Ok. Well I guess sites like Blue Fantasies must really suck and not make ANY sales then, eh? :P

View Poll Results: Who should design my next tour?
Harvey	47	16.15%
Katsuki	34	11.68%
Madcapa	38	13.06%
Y0nki	9	3.09%
Avion	39	13.40%
The Fly	10	3.44%
Hamlet	114	39.18%
Voters: 291. You may not vote on this poll

10-24-2003, 06:50 AM	#103
Meta Ridley Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The land of ruleface and kickass Posts: 3,433	__________________ [email protected]

10-24-2003, 06:58 AM	#106
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	I'm not in the poll because I wasn't going to participate but I decided to whip this up in an hour or so last night for Neriah since she's such a great girl. I normally only have ever designed for myself. So here it is, needs more work done, I only got an hour and a half in and most of that was thought. So hope you guys like and hope Neriah likes, I think it will bring people in for sure. __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

10-24-2003, 07:40 AM	#107
Hunter_ST Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Getting messy... Posts: 763	Hamlet's design is cool, but it should be carried through the rest of the site, too, including the member section. If the member's section bears no resemblence to the cover, then members might get turned off, feeling they were cheated. __________________ Splosh Cash Wet and Messy Fetish Program I hate to advocate drugs, alcohol, violence, or insanity to anyone, but they've always worked for me.

10-24-2003, 07:56 AM	#112
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	I'm not in the poll because I was late getting in since I decided to throw a little something together at the very last minute. But I think it's marketable for sure and would get surfers in the door! __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

10-24-2003, 06:39 AM	#101
ElvisManson Looking California Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2001 Posts: 5,476	Harvey..I love that clean look.

10-24-2003, 06:40 AM	#102
rooster Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 2,384	digipimps is the best because it looks good and does the best job of marketing. Marketing is what leads to signups not a bunch of pretty graphics

10-24-2003, 08:03 AM	#113
jayeff Confirmed User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 2,944	It's dangerous to make assumptions such as saying that elegant doesn't sell. Particularly in this business, when renewals would/could/should earn more than initial sales, targeting the 'right' audience is at least as important as going flat-out for maximum impact. Another mistake in this industry is that we all tend to climb on whatever bandwagon is rolling past. So at a given moment most designers are doing broadly similar work. As a result, only content differentiates one site from another and everyone ends up competing for a (very small) part of the total audience within their niche. (That's the reason webmasters often claim that simple is best. It works not because it is simple, but because it appeals to a type of customer that fewer are fighting over. Sad reality is that between simple and the design style of the moment are maybe 80% of the potential customers that no-one is marketing to at all.) Unless Neriah wants a change of image and certainly if she is happy to stress her Playmate status, then elegant is good. Playboy demographics (last time I checked) have most buyers at 35+ and well off. The whole Playboy 'thing' is about fantasy women. Playboy isn't in-your-face porn like Bangbus for example. Neriah's photographs (at least the ones used in these designs, are very much in that mold and if that is what you are selling, it would be crazy to pitch away from your natural audience to an audience that is looking for something else. That's why I thought most of the designs were well on track. I have a feeling that Hamlet's design is scoring so well because of the logo. It is a cool logo but I would question its appeal to potential customers likely 10+ years older than the average age here. The rest of his design would work really well for them, but it is sublimated because the logo is so strong. I think it was Fly described Madcapa's design as 'too rectangular', but IMO it strikes a good balance between creating the fantasy of a Playmate while using the thumbs to highlight Neriah's 'assets'. In Neriah's place I would ask Harvey to redo the logo and Madcapa to rework his text to make the entry more obvious. If both agreed, I wouldn't make a decision until I had seen the results.

10-24-2003, 08:04 AM	#114
TheFLY So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: http://www.thefly.net/ --- Quit your job and live off steady traffic. Posts: 11,856	Hamlet you fucking suck -- stealing designs from other websites and then slapping your own shitty logo onto it? Wow I'm Hamlet and I discovered how to steal designs from other sites and then add photoshop filters Let me know when you graduate off stolen designs and comic book panels PS: Nice fucking horns in your logo... Stick to comic books <img src="http://www.bernardminet.com/mangas/image_samourais.jpg">

10-24-2003, 08:05 AM	#115
voodooman Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Homeless Posts: 801	MADCAPA: Too many rectangles -- boring layout. What does "NS" stand for? All I can think of is the NAS rapper logo. <img src="http://www.mcm.net/cm/image/artistes/pochettecd/nas_stillmatic.jpg"> Wow you discovered layers in photoshop too... NS??? Dude, thats a D for Davis. Damn, In not even a designer and I could see that.

10-24-2003, 08:06 AM	#116
Martin "Assassins" Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: At home Posts: 17,277	I'll tell you this. You make them all look good to me. __________________

10-24-2003, 08:09 AM	#117
IntenseCash Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,421	Hamlet! thats an awesome design. __________________ IntenseCash.com ~ Chuck \| ICQ: 444887112 Top converting sites: BrokeStraightBoys.com, CollegeDudes.com & CollegeBoyPhysicals.com

10-24-2003, 08:11 AM	#119
Digipimp BP4L OT DL Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: BP4L Swap Meet Posts: 13,481	In light of the circumstances I say we start a new poll since we have a stolen design and mine needs to be included now! __________________ Still Hosting at Webair and You Should Be Too

10-24-2003, 08:13 AM	#120
GoNe Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: unknown Posts: 2,892	Havent read any of the posts here except the first 2 So dont know if the contest is over or not but my vote goes to Hamlet Peace Also Neriah when you gonna hit me up? __________________ buying domains 1 year or more in age. Adult related only. Email me at webmaster @ crazyvids.com

10-24-2003, 08:48 AM	#141
HarlotCash Dyker Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: At a whorehouse near you Posts: 1,828	Katsuki gets my vote - Just - They are all good designs. __________________ !!!Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash<<>>Harlot Cash!!!

10-24-2003, 08:54 AM	#145
Sharky Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 4,938	It's a tie between MADCAPA & Hamlet! If either of these guys need a design job, Hit me up.. you did great work __________________ Sharky

10-24-2003, 08:54 AM	#146
ideasign Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: 265443530 Posts: 105