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One Nation Under God...
You think they should take it out?
Is it a violation of seperation of church and state? http://www.cnn.com/2003/LAW/10/14/sc...nce/index.html Me personally...I won't stand for sanctioned prayer in schools, at football games etc. However I don't see how this could be construed as establishing a religion. |
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It was never originally in there, I don't see any reason why it should be kept in there.
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God needs to be taken out of the country, out of our vocabulary, and out of peoples minds forever.
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Francis Bellamy wrote the original Pledge in 1892. The phrase, "under God," was added to the pledge in 1954 after a campaign by the Knights of Columbus (a Catholic organization). The proponents of the phrase felt the need to distinguish the Pledge of Allegiance from similar orations used by 'godless communists' in the Soviet Union.
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I fully support the removal of god from money and schools, and the Pledge.
It was added WAY after our country was founded, and it was added by kid fucking christians, obviously for a clear cause.
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fair enough...but do you think it'll actually happen?
I don't see it happening at this point. If anything the pledge is something that should be voluntary anyway...I was surprised to learn that my niece was still having to say it in elementary school last year. |
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this country was founded on judeo-christian values, that cant be denied.
'god' can be whatever you interpret it as, even mother nature or a big bang. Even though I do not believe in religion, I think as time goes on and morality is more and more thrown out the window, the effects on society arent very good. |
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It was added by CHRISTIAns and is ONLY MEANT for the CHRISTIAN god. look it up.
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Having the word "God" in there tramples on the rights of Americans who are Atheist and don't believe in any "God"
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god is a myth
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http://www.flash.net/~lbartley/au/issues/godtrust.htm
'We, the people of the United States, humbly acknowledging almighty God as the source of all authority and power in civil government, the Lord Jesus Christ as the ruler among nations, his revealed will as the supreme law of the land, in order to constitute a Christian government, and in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, insure domestic tranquility, provide for the common defense, promote the general welfare, and secure the inalienable rights and the blessings of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness to ourselves, our posterity, and all the people, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.' speak for yourself kid fucker.
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While most people simply believe in god or a religion of their choice, most of them don't really practice it or know about it. It's really pretty sick when you've spent 20 years knee deep in the gospel. ![]()
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Worried that orations used by "godless communists" sound similar to the Pledge of Allegiance, religious leaders lobby lawmakers to insert the words "under God" into the pledge. President Dwight D. Eisenhower, fearing an atomic war between the U.S. and the Soviet Union, joins the chorus to put God into the pledge. Congress does what he asks, and the revised pledge reads: "I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America and to the Republic for which it stands, one nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/u...t.exclude.html
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Having it on there means that the government endorses a supreme being. This makes everyone who doesn't believe in one seem like heathens or traitors.
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The pledge, written by socialist editor and clergyman Francis Bellamy, debuts September 8 in the juvenile periodical The Youth's Companion. He wants the words to reflect the views of his cousin, Edward Bellamy, author of "Looking Backward" and other socialist utopian novels. It reads: "I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands; one nation indivisible, with liberty and Justice for all." Source: The Associated Press and Encyclopedia Britannica Inc. Well everyone looks like your pledge was written by one of us reds ![]()
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God and religion are two seperate things. Most religions are evil. |
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There is no such clause in the constitution or bill of rights. There is this : "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" No one is making a "law" here establishing anything. Even endorsing is not making a "law" establishing a religion. |
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The government represents the people, the majority of people believe in a supreme being. |
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More importantly what do you think "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof;" means? It does not necessarily mean "seperation of church and state." It means Congress cannot make laws establishing religions or prohibiting your right to practice whatever religion you choose. The pledge of allegicance is not a law...no one is forced to say it and just like in a court of law you don't have to swear on the bible you can always change the words of the pledge. Now forcing children to say the pledge is a whole other concept. |
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People use the term "seperation of church and state" as an easier way of referring to what the constitution actually says which is a much longer and cryptic way of saying it.
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People use the term "seperation of church and state" as an easier way of referring to what the constitution actually says which is a much longer and cryptic way of saying it.
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People can try and use any term to describe whatever they wish...does not make it a correct definition. Once again...it does not say "seperation of church and state" no matter how you cut it or try to define it..it ONLY says congress shall make no laws establishing or prohibiting. Now if congress made a law that stated that you had to say the pledge and you had to say "one nation under god," this would be a whole different issue. However I see this the same way I do the "silent moment" time some schools give their students at the beginning of the day to reflect, pray, or pick their nose...if you don't want to say the pledge you have that right. But to hear "one nation under god" from another student's mouth is not a violation of your rights. |
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Censorship (what this boils down to) is Un-American.
If you're afraid of words, why not just go kill yourself and save the rest of us the hassle of having to deal with your nonsense. |
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No one is forced to say the pledge, no one is forced to say "Under God." It's all optional. Or should be...if schools are forcing kids to say it then that's a whole other issue...once again a kid saying "under god" 2 fee from you won't kill you...it' snot a violation of your rights. |
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I was forced to pray in school, but I went to a Catholic school.
I was sent home more than once for refusing.
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'The issue is that the government endorses the current version which includes the phrase "under god" '
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Are you guys really saying you didnt know this was being talked about? I thought thats why Eros made this. ![]()
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They want their GOD everywhere, like dictators want their picture.
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"Allegiance" and "God", especially in combination with any State, sound like propaganda and a teaching of culture.. suspect....
I can't think of anything I ever swore allegiance to in my life and have no desire to. As for God, each to their own personal beleifs - this has nothing to do with any "country" or "state". |
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