Another point to keep in mind despite what some of you are saying ?it got shot down in court twice before so it won?t pass this time? keep im mind those were lower courts, and the Supreme Court generally won?t take a case if they think the lower court got it right. There is something about the decision in the lower court that they don?t like.

You are still using free sites. Free sites with extremely softcore is still a free site/tour/teasing page.

This thread is about no freesites at all.

I guess everyone agree with you if free sites are accepted but only as teaser / softcore stuff. But where do you draw the line? Usually, it's ON or OFF completely.

Sure, I would be glad that any picture showing boobs, pussies and cocks would illegal. No problem about that.

I will agree with that... I would love to see free sites show very little nudity.. that IMO would help conversions.. but getting rid of free sites all together would kill the paysites..

btw there is nothing wrong with the TGP owner making money..

Problem (well no it's not a problem for me) is that most people have no marketing skills.

It's easier to sell porn online than anything else in the real world. So stop bitching about the free porn and actually get some skill at marketing and getting traffic. :)

Banning hardcore stuff will give us better tools to sell, but banning freesites will destroy any marketing concept.

:1orglaugh

That would be funny to see his sextracker stats drop from 1.5 million to 1500 daily uniques :)

Excelent post.

This thread has gone waaaay off-topic.
We are talking about a 100% freesite censorship, including all the marketing tools.

That's one of the many areas there seems to have been a total lack of logic in this thread and I'm not talking about the destroying marketing concept point. Still...not a topic worth pissing with people over. Far more interesting in this case to sit back and watch :)

Here's a clip that I wanted to point out from that Yahoo article -

"Olson said the main target is commercial pornographers who use sexually explicit "teasers" to lure customers.

The free teasers are available to nearly anyone surfing the Internet, and sometimes appear even when computer users are not seeking out pornography. They typically lead potential customers to a Web site that may require payment and age verification."


So in other words they're talking about paysite tours ??? How the hell is a paysite gonna promote itself if it can't use a teaser tour ??

Oh shit my life is over...

It's not the end of all marketing tools. Did the term MILF exist two years ago? Nope.

What did the sufers do when napster started censoring/banning certain band names? They made up new words for the names...

Porn videos didn't always have terminology like "cum-guzzling whores" on them, and they still sold...

Who among you has seen MaxCash's OLD webmaster content? They've still got it posted, go take a look. Or take a look at the KimmyKim nude picture that got posted here by Dean Capture, you'll get the idea. (Not the photoshopped ones.)

Better yet, how many of you would just get out of the industry if this law was passed? How many of you would move to Canada? How many of you would stay in the US and deal with the new restrictions?

As some other people have said, how do you enforce age verification. ? Credit cards don't work now. Current systems in place are not sufficient or foolproof enough. There would have to be a new approach.

Secondly, as a UK webmaster, I am of the opinion that this would be a major boost for my business. It wouldn't take long for US surfers to learn how to use Euro search engines/hosts/link sites/TGP's etc. to find their free goodies. (It seems US webmasters can't use Euro resources for this as they make reference to 'foreign').

And lastly, those that think the Euro countries would rush to copy this law are living in dreamland. The US has a particularly nasty type of religious zealot you let into politics over there that we just don't have. Add to that, try getting a law like this passed in some of the more sexually liberal Euro countries such as Holland etc. and you can see that the chances of the EU, for example, actually passing a law like this is pretty remote. At the very least it would take years.

Personally I wouldn't mind if this law covered the whole world, but if it's just restricted to the US, that's heaven from a purely business point of view.

Most of what people call "teasers" today, I call hardcore money shots.
The surfer's turning off his monitor and cleaning his keyboard without ever reaching for his wallet.

The surfer doesn´t need the free sites for teasers... The tour is suposed to do that, for all I know.

The surfer doesn´t get in to free sites by accident (ok, sometimes it happens, but it´s rare), he gets there after searching it on google. With no TGPs and stuff, he will get directly to the paysite, simple as that!

And of course he will buy it: where else could he found that stuff?

And after all, television is already a teaser... he sees the hot girl in the bikini on the tv... and then goes to the internet to find a naked one...

Just my probably useless :2 cents:

the term MILF was made popular by the movie american pie, thats the first place i ever heard it. didn't see it on the net till a couple years after that. and as for your napster comment, sure some used different words but there were also ppl working on new programs ie audiogalaxy. personally i would probably just make my free sites bigger and put them behind avs if this law passed, tho i live in canada so i could probably just move my server up here and keep doing things the way i always did. and i'd probably make some crappy paysites just to see what would happen. i'd imagine the quality of paysites would drop significantly if free stuff wasn't out there.

What the hell are you all even debating?

How can you create a new term like MILF if you CAN'T explain it or show it off? Most people don't even know it means Mom I'd like to fuck. They saw some sites and understood the concept.

How can you believe showing off softcore non-nude pictures will be accepted by the law. Did you read the previous post or you are completely Off-Topic again? Playboy magazines are hidden on the top the the shelves, and children can't even see the cover.

Don't any of you think that the bigger SEs like Google and Yahoo are gonna realize that they'll have the adult paysites by the balls and will start charging sites to be listed in their engines ??? I know that if I was in their posistions, that's what I'd do.

Everyone thinks that it's gonna be great, but the thing is that once it happens, there's not gonna be any turning back.

You are totally missing it. Read the statutes I posted above. You could have no images in your promotional material, but as long as you had racy text you would have to be put it behind an age verification system. How would pay site owners describe what type of content the surfer will find if he enters his credit card for age verification purposes? Someone posted the surfers will just go to the pay sites from the search engines. The statute applies to search engines too. The search engines will simply conclude it is not worth the trouble to list porn sites and will no longer list them no matter how tame the content is in free tour area. How would search engines describe the site in terms that wouldn?t arouse a minor that was intentionally looking for the stuff?

Yeah, seems like you did not read anything in this thread.

They won?t mess with it because they would have to put their search results behind an age verification system. It applies to them too.

Actually, they won't sell the spots. They will simply use the TOP 10 search results for themselves and sell the 11-100 at an extremely high price that only big sponsors and sites like Playboy/Hustler will be able to afford.

And that's only IF it's actually legal to list porn in SE.

You truly are a retard:321GFY
I don't care if you have 100% se traffic or avs or even if you're offshore. If you don't think outlawing free porn in the u.s would effect you let alone make you more money, you're in for a nasty surprise.
So go ahead and support this you narrow minded dickhead:thumbsup
I hate people like you.

It is for everyone, but parents who don't want their children to have free access to any and all information should not allow their children to use it. Censorhip of the internet should be a family choice, not a government choice, that's all there is too it I think.

I guess I'm biased, my parents let me look at, read, watch whatever I want and I think I turned out ok. Seeing pictures of naked girls when I was 14 didn't destroy my soul, wtf? The christians lied to me, THEY LIED.

I can't believe you all are arguing against this. :arcadefre

I'm not totally missing it.
YOU are totally assuming that every paysite in the world has to talk to the surfer like doesn't understand what "hardcore" is.

www.redhairsex.com (one of Silvercash's sites)
Let's go through the tour. And we're talking text here, not the photos.

Page 1:
Thousands of hot fiery redhead pics
Streaming videos of redhead sluts
Live girls & sex shows w/chat 24/7 inside
Tons of great bonus content & more!
Watch kinky redheads do it all!
Anal - oral - facials - gangbangs - interracial & more!
We unleash the fiery passion of the web's hottest redheads!
Scorching hot photo shoot layouts!

The only thing I see that would have to be changed on that page is the word "sluts" and the "anal oral facials gangbangs interracial" line in the top right corner.

Page 2:
Been looking all over for the perfect carrot top cutie? Look no further because we have more sexy redheads waiting to please you than ever before! All new sets featuring the hottest new girls to hit the web! Plus we update every week!
Thousands of awesome redhead pics!
Premium galleries of pure sexy redheads!
New feature model weekly
These are the girls you've dreamed about!
Downloadable clips & streaming full length videos - streaming videos of hot redhead girls!

Ain't a damn thing on that page that needs to be changed.

Page 3:
You can watch real live girls in action 24/7 in the members area! Our fiery little vixens will keep you cumming back for more every day! Add to that the tons of bonus content you get each month and its easy to see why we're the best!

Watch real live action 24/7
Livve chat & interactive sex with our girls

Tons of bonus content: e-zines - feature models - xxx games - adult toons - erotic stories & more!

About the only thing that needs to be changed on that page is the spelling of "cumming" to "coming".

Page 4:
JOIN PAGE. The only text on here are the billing options and a bonus notice about joining one site and getting full access to 70+ sites.

Don't sit there and tell me that it can't be done.
My dad used to have a saying...
"When they said it couldn't be done,
what they meant was, THEY couldn't do it."

The christians would tell you that you don't know yet if your soul is destroyed - you'll find that out on the day you pass away. :winkwink:

Part of the reason that porn is such a hot commodity in the US is *because* it's a forbidden fruit. People always want what they're not supposed to have. So you do have those bible-belting religious folk to thank for part of your income, hehehe.

I can testify to this, because I have been doing it for almost 4 years without nudity or vulgar text on my pages. Sometimes I'll get images with some tits showing and I usually either don't use them or photoshop censor them. I still convert 1 in 25 to 1 in 100. And that's with no nudity and no text that would even be considered profane. It's flirtacious and inviting and surfers know what they are signing up for, without needing visual aide or graphic details.

US also has the money and major credit cards for it. A lot of other countries aren't even allowed to join sites. Those are the ones sucking up free sites. Because the majority of surfers that have credit cards or checks in the US, will buy memberships, regardless. Hence, print Playboy, Hustler and other magazines sitting on shelves at stores as we speak.

Furious I figure we're just preaching to deaf ears here. Let them believe that the only way to market is the way they're doing it. When/If the shit comes down, they'll leave the business and leave more traffic for those of us who know better. Simple as that. No need to stand here trying to hold their hand and teach them what they can't see for themselves, especially when they're fighting so hard against it. Just makes more competition for us in the end.

See ya on the other side :thumbsup

Here you hit the target of the REAL discussion going on on this thread: the fear of changing, the unexpected. I've no problem in changing my way of doing business (as a matter of fact I'm doing it right now but for different reasons, I won't design for 3rd parties for quite a long while), but I feel like a lot of the people here fears that, specially those who owns free sites TODAY. I have passed thru all stages of the porn biz: free sites, TGP, link lists, webmasters resources, forums, content providing, design, programming, marketing, traffic selling, CJ, TGP2... you name it. Now I'm getting into paysites, which was something I always wanted to do, but waiting for the exact moment. 7 years in this biz, and I'm getting into it now :winkwink: it's like everything, you gotta change and evolve. btw, thanx for the kudos :)

Fucking boo-hoo :glugglug

did you ever take the time to read the thread or just typing because you had some spare time?

:2 cents:

you're absolutely wrong. Please refer to the first post and check about some law discussion pertaining to the Supreme Court in UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. Nothing more, nothing else. If you as a canadian feel included within it, it's your problem, but some of us have a wider vision on this matter :winkwink:

I was keeping out of this but have to ask....

Why do so many people in this thread seem to think that this law is going to make images of people illegal on the Internet? After all that's the only way 'marketing tools' will actually be removed to any huge extent. There was me thinking this was just about uncensored pronography. Silly me.

:glugglug

Good News for foreign host companies :2 cents:

You couldn't be more wrong about that. :)

I am free speech first, business second, and always have been.

Unlike you and some others here, I respect the first amendment and the idea of a free society above the dollar.

I would rather have free speech and no money than millions of dollars and no free speech.

Most of the arguments that people make to support unconstitutional censorship are that it would make them more money.

Think about how sad that is.

And what if you have a gangbang, facial, blowjob, or interracial site? How do you describe you content in terms that won?t run afoul of this law. What if you are google or another big search engine and your algorithm picks up these terms ?Anal - oral - facials - gangbangs - interracial & more!? do you have to throw out your entire system and now hand review every site included in your search engine? What if you run a non adult BBS and one you members posts ?My girl gave me a big fat hummer last night and I busted a nut on her face.? Guess what under this law you are liable as the web publisher.

It all depends on what you want the Internet to be. I prefer it be a medium were adults can freely exchange ideas without government supervision and micro management others prefer that it become a cheap G rated babysitter for their kids.

There seems to be no middle ground. I wouldn?t mind if all promotional materials had to be soft-core, but this law goes much further than that.

It would hurt some people, it would help some people. I just can't believe anyone would support this blatant attempt at censoring material that the religious masses deem unworthy, even if it could make them a few bucks. That's a major constitutional assfucking right there.

And since this is a US law only it wouldn't help shit, it would just be all American webamsters being restricted while the rest of the world continues to give away gobs of free porn.

Right wing pro-censorship anti-porn porn webmasters are funny.

If you wanna talk, at least get your facts straight. I didn't see anywhere that this would be prohibited, in fact I hardly doubt it. But if it's the case, it's just CHARGING for what it was free until today. Please explain me how the hell does it affect freedom of speech or any freedom whatsoever, because I cannot see it. I'll just ask you a simple question: do you go to the newstands and turn'em on fire just because they ask you to pay for a magazine or simply pay, without even questioning freedom, moral values, religion and all that crap some clueless are turning this thread into? In fact, as far as I know US is not known exactly because of the freedom of speech. Wether it comes to military, economics or social interests, censorship is quit epresent in US media. And yet I don't see you and neither of this board going into mutiny because of that. So, something that is and always was paid now has to be free? why? I beg you to answer this in a logical manner, because this thread is starting to look like some kind of schizophrenia treaty

You don't think that censorship has anything to do with free speech and you mention "logic". :1orglaugh

As far as what people go into mutiny about on GFY, I have no control over pro-censorship webmasters. Long before internet porn existed, I have been involved in the fight for free speech.

Anyone who puts money above freedom is very shortsighted.