I totally agree. Money making in porn could be bigger than ever!

Just remember that TGP's will fall into this category!:winkwink:

Wrong P2P will be outlawed in the future. FBI is all over it, plus Music Industry, and Movie Industry is about to join the fight. Not industries I would want to try to fight.

P2P is being portrayed as a distributor of illegal copyrighted files.:thumbsup

free sites would just go behind huge avs type systems. nothing would change exept having to 'verify' your age. could mean less people controlling more of the adult traffic out there.

but it won't happen

once again,nothing will happen

bump this thread after 3 years and we see

For all of you thinking the world will end because free sites and TGPs were gone... how do you think the big $$ veterans made their money before there were the free porn meccas of free sites and tgps?

Just think on that, and it'll be clear. These things did not exist a couple of years ago, and people *without paysites* were still making money hand over fist. And if this law goes down, the folks who remember what it was like before free sites and tgps will *still* be making money hand over fist. Especially once all of the free site makers and gallery makers give up and go away who can't see the forest for the trees. More traffic for the rest of us who stick around and pull out those old-school tactics.

PS- I also agree that P2P will be huge, but it won't be the only way to get traffic, just as there's no "only" way to get traffic now.

Also I'm not saying I'm old-school, I'm not. I just know how traffic was garnered those days and it certainly makes more sense than the way it's garnered now. No free porn? Hell yeah, bring it on.

Adapt or die.

Do you have any links/article on this?

Since the beginning of P2P, I always said that shit would kill the Music, Porn and Movies industries within 10 years.

As soon as Internet2 goes live, downloading at 3meg/sec will destroy any industry based on data.

Interesting thread :)


I am glad I never listened to the only advice I was given in this business 3 years ago when I started my small paysite. I was told to stick to free sites. I know I will be ready if there is no free porn !


:)

Stop this non-sence and tell us exactly what you are talking about.

How did it work before free sites?

The gold days where pretty much like that: Put some banners on a white blank pages, submit it for free to dozen of SE, trick them to get listed 100's of time with the same page and cash your check.

And millions of other little tricks from http://trix.sexswap.com/

I read almost everything from '97 and I have no idea wtf you are talking about.

The "freesite" concept is a marketing concept. Before '98, you did not need any marketing concept since there was no competition at all online for the amount of people looking for porn.

And your traffic comes from.... ?

You buy a music album because you heard a free song on the radio.

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dude it's a dongle , a USB or serial port device.. the hackers will bypass them if they havn't allready... software companys that sell software with price tags in the thousands, have tried dongles.. guess what they failed..

all it takes is tipically a simple fix that tells the computer there is a dongle plugged in... and guess who the one's are that make these cracks and use them... the kiddies..

the only thing that german system will do is look pretty on paper





the other thing is, I may be new but it dosn't take manny brain cells to figure out that it will mean the end of nothing.. if they pass the law in the US.. then it will only hurt US webmasters and companys.. funny thing is all you people claiming TGP's are killing the business if it's really true and TGPs were hurting paysites sales... then why oh why do so manny paysites offer up free hosted TGP galleries?

aw the kids the kids, you gotta explain them everything :winkwink:

a) US is the biggest market for porn (not really, but let's follow this path). Once US laws prohibits the access to porn sites without PROPER age verification, most countries will follow. Say that EEC will follow, or at least most of its countries.

b) This leaves us with 2 groups: countries with restrictions to porn access and countries without restrictions. Sites will need to host or eventually have a corporative presence in one of these countries. But SURFERS (yeah, those fucking freeloaders) will have no other choice than sign to paysites (or something else I know but I won't tell :winkwink: ). Just imagine: free sites in slow servers (even in other languages! :thumbsup) are great for teasing, but not to be your only porn source. But let's adjust the equation going to...

c) people in these countries will realize that they have a gold mine, and instead of having 30 pics galleries, no ads at all they'll have TGP2 like galleries, only teasing, directing the traffic to paysites. Even big thumbs linked directly to tours ;)

d) at the same time, SE and PPC will direct traffic to splash pages, no porn, no nudity, just TEASING (I don't know you, but I'm old enough to know that below the clothes there's flesh, not a robotransformer or some crap like that, therefore I don't need absolute depiction of scenes to be teased)

I won't explain anymore, find out by yourself, but only with this you'll see it's a win-win situation. US webmasters will have tons of paysites, specialization and niche will become a must, content providers (I readt somebody saying content providers will suffer- LOL) will provide mostly exclusive at virtually any price they want, if you cannot afford a paysite you'll be able to launch loads of AVS, maybe fed with paysites with upsells content, graphic designers, programmers and CC processors will have thousands of new clients everyday... yeah, adding a constant flux of money to a market is never, and I mean NEVER bad. Don't know what the guys saying this are smoking, but maybe they'd change to something that doesn't kill their sense of reality. And if you don't understand... well, sorry, there's always a place for you at Wendy's. BUt hurry up before you grow too old even for Wendy's! :1orglaugh

btw, the very same minute something changes slightly towards this direction, if it ever happens, you all will see something that will change the biz as it is known until known. And coming from me! :winkwink:

I don't think that this would be a good thing :( I hate censorship of any kind. A decision like that would devastate the porn industry. I think that if the US wants to keep kids off of porn, then they should develop one of the highest quality adult content blocking software programs ever made and give it out as a free download. If parents want it, they can download it and pop it on OR perhaps maybe ole Bill Gates can somehow incorporate it into IE.

For all of you that are thinking about the SE source of traffic. My prediction on that matter would be that all of the big SEs like Google would see a big potential to charge sites to be listed in their directories, thus, fucking a lot of the smaller guys OR on the other side of it, would they even be able to legally list adult sites without having the surfer verify their age first ???

do you guys really think you'll be able to get pages listed in search engines that say shit like 'hardcore pussy fuck pics'?? no, they said adult language was a no no too if im not mistaken. the big difference in the old days as someone pointed out, there was hardly any competition, and another thing is that there were no rules, you could whore the SE's, spam, ect.

answer this, what would you do if adult searches were no longer allowed on search engines without adult verification?

and free porn will still be out there, and always have. i can download tons of full length dvd rips off the newsgroups.

yeah that sounds all nice and good but where are you gonna be without those nice keywords?

if you ask me all this will result in is more corporation style companies running things. no more room for the average joe. big business, blah blah blah.

:thumbsup

What do you think the chances are of this thing actually going through this time ?? It's already been denied a couple of times. I hope that those same people are in there and will shoot it down again :)

The thing is that they want to DESTROY the porn industry, nobody in office likes what we do, the only people that we have on our side are the people that believe in "free speech", other than that, they'd be much happier having porn buried on the net or gone all together.

:1orglaugh

We are talking about a Worldwide law and/or any US citizen caught running an offshore adult company and promoting porn online will go in jail.

Otherwise, people are not stupid. Start an canadian marketing company and host your TGPs and free sites from your US home.

Bottom line is, without freesites (worldwide), we are mostly screwed. The only options are SEs and this will leave out 80% of the industry, like I said previously.

The "legal" teasing will fail. We are not in 1997. How the fuck do you plan on marketing a hardcore cumshot paysite when people are used to download 3 minutes video clips of MILF fucked in the ass? Oh and who will draw the line between "legal adult teasing viewable by children" and "illegal adult teasing viewable by children". Text is also dangerous.

It's like driving a ferrari then... oh no ferrari anymore, you have to go back driving a old piece of shit. FUCK THAT. As a surfer, I will go load my Kazaa and won't be interested in viewing any BS "legal" teasing.

We had TGP2 style galleries 3 years ago. The reason the rules are "18 pics minimum, extremely high quality, non-compressed" now, is simply because there's "unlimited" competition.

The problem with our industry is that there's no regulation at all. You won't see a shop in real life selling their stuff cheaper than the wholesale price. It's not legal. It's regulated.

You guys are dreaming. We are in 2004. This is an industry now, exactly like the music industry. In 97-98, it was NOT.

OK then :)

Won't they need to shut down fucking newsgroups first?

Why bother shutting down free sites when you have to search for them? Newsgroups have everything anyone would want to see.

It won't happen anytime soon. In the future, porn sites might be only available on .xxx or .sex or something like that (And you will have to prove your age before login), but this won't kill free porn.

Anyway, even if it happen, people will simply go offshore. It will take a couple of years before all countries unite, EXCEPT if there's a law against *any* american running free porn on the net (even if he goes offshore and use a EU corporation)

Personally, I'm canadian so this might be good :Graucho

hehehe. p2p will be the next tgp?

wtf are u smoking

I can single handedly post up 100 differently named videos that are all the same video. you want anal bukkake, ull get my video

i can be the first to put up corrupt or fake mp3s

i can be a virus on any p2p.

u think u can find a decent porn video after i spam every possible keyword for movies and pornstar action on it?

p2p is like communism. in the beginning, it worked well since everybody worked and put in honest files and shared them

but ppl who want to freeload now a days, they wont be getting what they looked for.

Newsgroups are not User-Friendly.

Public Newsgroups you get with your local ISP just plain suck, and it's mainly a pain in the ass.

Average joe doesn't even know what are newsgroups.

(pay-newsgroups like easynews.com are extremely easy to use, but you have to pay $10/month and $10 per 6 gigs of download)

P2P is another story. It's User-Friendly, simple, fast and you can find anything you are looking for... both Average Joe and his Mom can use a P2P.

Kill the P2Ps :321GFY

let's assume that free sites gets illegal

Which one of you will stand against a supreme court decision?

Why do you spam videos that people are not even looking for? Wasting bandwitdh for 1:10,000 ratio is just plain stupid.

Anyway,

I agree it will get worse, it will get much more time to find good videos or good mp3, and it's exactly why you will see PAY-P2P in the future that will filter cheap motherfuckers...

BUT it will still be the easiest way to find free music, free porn, free software for Average Joe and his Mom.

I guess some of you did not get your free site listed on Persian Kitty back when she started?

Free sites are how all the big paysites got big except for a few who bought traffic via yahoo/excite/lycos. (Webpower spent millions on traffic from Yahoo.. something like 8mil a month I believe at their peak)

Free sites have existed since I started in 95 and made huge amounts of cash in late 96 to early 97 when CE and Webpower had their 2 cent a click deal.

So I dont know what the fuck the idiots who say there were no free sites they are what started it all. Throw up a few naked chicks then link to another site with more pics on your isp account.

Haven't read everything too much bullshit for me *sniff*sniff*

If anyone have said offline advertising more than only SE's that I heard x times then you're on my 1% list.

:2 cents:

Exactly. That's why I asked what the hell they were talking about. :arcadefre

i dont fucken care because i have a lot of hot cards
i access to the porn site free anyhow:winkwink:

FUCK FREE SITES! :BangBang:

They have become the disney land of porn to cheap bastards all over the world. Pay site conversions would sky rocket.

Before the digital age of the internet surfer checking out porn online.... Hustler, Playboy, Penthouse ...all dirty magazines have been on store shelves, with something covering the front of them, so that you couldn't see anything more than the name and her EYEBALLS. When that censorship came about, did these magazines go broke? HELL NO, they grew to be the enormous empires that they are today, without giving ANY free samples/teases. You think guys looking for porn are turned off by just sexy poses with non nude girls? Puh-lease... guys get turned on by women in coveralls and a veil over her head. What's left to the imagination is all the more fulfilling once inside.

Free sites have desensitized surfers to porn. It takes extreme niches and half a bottle of viagra to get surfers aroused anymore. They have seen it ALL, for FREE. They do not need teasers, a woman in a bikini. Done. They are teased. That's all they need.

All of my pages have no nudity. Ok a few tit pics once in a blue moon. But I compared my sign up ratio, from showing it all to showing girls with sexy clothes on, but not nude and my sales were always better with not showing them too much for free. As a matter of fact, showing them too much for free, ended up producing nearly no sales.

No offense to anyone, but TGPs and movie posts have gone WAY too far. Why buy the cow when the milk is free? I have seen TOURS and JOIN PAGES, heck even animated GIFs that guys could get off on lol.

My approach and it works: Little to no nudity, explicit or teasing/flirtacious TEXT and links to the sign up page. Skip tours... Get them while they are ready for it, don't distract them. And for all the people on dial up, they don't feel like loading 800 pages to get the goods or surfing through 100 softcore pics, that really don't turn them on enough, but by the time they realize the pics aren't all that hardcore, they don't even want to waste more time joining anything.

Sure TGPs make money. Mainly for the one that owns the TGP... but just think of all that traffic and the horrible ratios, that could one day be all that traffic and GREAT ratios...

:2 cents:

"The case is Ashhahahahaha v. Constitution, 03-218.

So what is allowed, a soft nipple or a hard nipple?
Can i say Fuck or Fu**?
Will i be in trouble with the government, or worse yet, the self appointed shop stewards representing adult webmasters.

oh, so many questions....

See I have a real problem with people that think like this, because they seem to think the internet is and should be one giant porn advertising pool. That's not the case, even though that's what it has turned into.

All you have to think is: What do offline adult business have to abide by and already had to, before the internet ever existed?

Do strip clubs have "GIRLS FUCKING NUDE" signs outside their buildings? No. Do they have girls flashing their boobs to passer bys? Nope. They have big neon signs and silhouettes.

Do adult stores offline have pictures of sex toys on billboards by their stores? No. Do they have nude pictures on the outside of their stores? Not a chance.

These decency laws already exist. Why anyone would be shocked that the US government wants them applied to the internet as well, is beyond me. I am all for freedom of speech and the rights of adults, however, I respect children, people who do not want to see hardcore visuals and the law that pertains to both. I wouldn't want my mom or my kid stumbling upon things they didn't intend to see, but I believe it's perfectly ok for adults to have access to it, but not out in the open. Memberships conseal what is inside of a site, I don't think it should be leaked out prematurely.

And if you think surfers won't know how to find where the paysites are, I guess you believe surfers cannot read? (Ok a lot of them can't or don't :1orglaugh ) but next to a woman in bra and panties, I think they learn to navigate pretty quickly :winkwink:

so is Yahoo indecent?

do you really think that the end of free sites will be the only step? People that support censorship DO NOT HAVE LIMITS.

If you want your kids to not access porn, you should monitor his/her online activities. Studies have showed that kids are not affected negative by porn. Who hasn't watch porn in young age?

Behind such attempts you'll see hypocrites and blind religious freaks.

Furious_Female, honestly you shouldnt be in this industry. You work against your beliefs. Does it make you sad?

Just one question: what has to do selling (please note the word I'm using) porn with censorship? I think somehow the whole point is missed here. In any case, we're talking about restricting access to minors, that's it. And better yet, restricting access to freeloaders. Sorry if it bothers somebody that I don't want to pay for the so called "freedom", in any case, let's do this: I'll offer everybody free porn and all the "freeloader cause fighters" prepay me :Graucho Right now the discussion has turned funny to say the least

And to Shemp: Yahoo could be indecent, as well as so many priests fucking boys. Last time I checked Yahoo was selling porn, so it's not like they're very clean to me :winkwink:

Exactly Harvey, the lingerie section of the Sears catalog is indecent to some people as well.

I guess bottom line, ive never asked a sponser to give away free hardcore content and ive never asked a webmaster to send me a hardcore gallery. That is the way the market has evolved.

Weve been to the wall and back a few times with this anti free site stuff and we will do as we have done in the past...wait for the court to make a judgement and act within the law. :thumbsup

Search engines and niche specific link lists, if it is out there I.....err..... they, will find it.

Well said Shemp.