A ban on free uncensored pics would be devistating to many webmasters.

What that basically means is anyone living in the US can't publish any nudity at all, while everyone else around the world can.

Sure, you can say the rest of the government's around the world will follow suit. But how many YEARS would that take? It could be 5-10 years before the playing field is level again and everyone is forced to censor images.

Do you feel as though you can compete against webmasters who have no limits, while at the same time you have to black out all nudity?

Yahoo advertising iFriends isn't free like a TGP. iFriends still requires a credit card and $1 (last I checked)

almost every site or gallery that is on shemp or other TGPs is available through a yahoo search.

just searched "hardcore teens" on yahoo, this was #2 listing
http://www.teensmillenium.com/hardco...allery160.html

I'm sure the government is quite aware the way to control free porn is through the hosts and the processors - NOT the webmasters.

I heard this bill is expected to pass in June 2004. At that time I bet any host in a participating country with uncensored porn on their servers will be served with a cease and decist notice. That will effectively eradicate 90% of the free porn.

This will be a good thing for all of us. It's kind of like resetting the clock to 1997. Lord knows, we really need it now because the business is getting kinda crazy.

I shouldn't be in this industry? People like YOU bring it down. If I didn't belong in this industry, I wouldn't know what makes money and what doesn't. It's common sense, that if you GIVE it away, very few are going to buy it.

I have been in this business for 4 years. I have done nothing but double my income every year since. Using CENSORED tactics through and through. Since TGPs and things alike have evolved, it's become harder and harder to make money. Free porn is saturated.

In the year 2000 I made $36,000 from ONE set of photos, in a 4 month period of time, that could have easily been imitated on any TGP. I gave NOTHING away for free. I tried it a few times, a day's worth of traffic at a time, and showing too much, never produced more sales, for me at least. If I can do that, with ONE SET of photos, and continue to do it for years and years, not having to show it all, can you imagine what it would do for this industry if all free sites were kept to a minimum?

I don't belong in this industry? Really!? I work against my own beliefs??? OMG really?? Ha. Seriously... fuckin HA HA HA. My beliefs are to 1-) Sell porn memberships to adults 2-) Not advertise it to minors 3-) Make as much money as possible. Explain to me how GIVING it away, works against the principles of MAKING MONEY?

Does this make me sad? Yes it does :1orglaugh Because people like you, that thrive on promoting enter your email shit, because you can't slang a paid membership on your TGP hand me down traffic make me wanna puke. You guys brought this industry to what it is today.

My beliefs have nothing to do with free sites, too many teasers and having content readily available for anyone, including minors to see. Wake up. These laws already exist, they are just finally coming on the net, now it's about damage control because preventing it, when it's an inferno burning out of control is unrealistic.

And the people that think P2P clients would replace free sites are wrong as well. Programs like Kazaa dominate porn searches with their own pay ads as well. It's not easy for the average surfer to find quality porn on P2P and then hope someone will let them leech.

Think outside the box. The world was already spinning before porn online came about. Where are all the free images Hustler gives away, before you buy their magazines? Where are all the free movie clips before you rent a porn video?? I rest my case.

So how many pics were in that set?

About 25, I still have it on an old hard drive. I still use her once in awhile. What's old to someone, is brand new to someone that's never seen it before.

This won't get passed, its already been shot down several times.

And by the way, I can't believe some big paysite owners are saying they hope this happen. You guys are all aware its been established that a credit card is not a valid form of proof of age right? What exactly makes you think your paysites will be immune?

Religious zealots who want this shit to pass suck. If whiny parents don't want their children getting into porn, perhaps they should observe their child on the computer and buy some filtering software. The net is a different medium then offline, its not quite the same as putting a big picture of a pussy on the side of a store where everyone who drives by is forced to see. If someone goes online and starts searching for hardcore XXX pussy sex, they know what they are getting themselves into.

On a perfect internet, that would be true. But on the internet that exists, porn pops up from careless and greedy promoters, when people do not go looking for it and that is not fair to anyone. It even annoys me and I am a part of the industry. When I am searching for things and a million porn sites come up or misleading advertisements lead you to it, it's just wrong.

Thats a great return on a small investment.

The ones seeking censorship do not separate the commercial part from the non commercial. Although the commercial part is of our interest, personally I would care the same for the prohibition of an adult site with no financial interest. I find 100% responsible the parent of a kid regarding his online activities and that's about it.

"And better yet, restricting access to freeloaders." I don't see the point of offering prices for TGP designs and galleries in your portofolio (which i find very good :) )...who would spend money to offer something to freeloaders? :-)

As Flynt said once, live coverage of killing a person is no problem, while showing people having sex is major moral issue.

Furious_Female, you didn't touch my point at all. From your words, money is your no1 priority behind the prohibition of free sites. Since you believe it will make you more money a "clean internet" you support it. I didnt make a single reference to the financial part of prohibition. If tommorow free sites go away, i won't be affected AT ALL financially, but i'm here to support them because by doing it I support my beliefs. I repeat:

<< I find 100% responsible the parent of a kid regarding his online activities and that's about it. >>

Yes it is. All I had to do was post some non-nude photos on a page, push an AVS membership, put the full set inside the members area and bam... memberships by the dozens everyday. Until typing in ampland became more popular than doing things the legit way.

I really never have this happen anymore with google. But either way, I don't think this is something that warrants government regulation. More like improved search engines and filtering software. I'm also a big fan of the kids.us domains, parents can block everything but them if they are concerned. I won't advocate any form of censorship, ever, even if it might help things out. We simply do not need more religious zealots forcing their morals upon everyone.

I think 'porn' being illegal for anyone under 18-21 is ridiculous to begin with, but thanks to religious people who are ashamed of our sexuality it's extremely taboo, looked down upon and regulated by the gov. I think the age should be more like 16, with maybe higher age restrictions on more intense stuff.

i think almost everyone would agree that no free porn would skyocket business beyond where we were in 1996.... i guarantee it... and you tgp submitting ppl will simply have to adapt and get used to making big money.....

Can i offer you a preferred submit account at shemp?
I can post a couple of your galleries every day, softcore if you like.

I am in this industry for money. I am all for free speech and expression, but I believe there is a time and place for everything. While I agree it IS the parents obligation to monitor what their child does and sees online, kids and parents both stumble into things unknowingly because it is not spelled out for them, like it should be sometimes.

I support adults rights to display and enjoy sex as often and as much as they want, BUT all I am saying is, put it behind closed doors and in internet terms, behind PAID memberships. Credit cards cannot and will not prove age, but they will filter a lot of kids from seeing it AND from freeloaders.

My beliefs are about surviving and making money, yes. I would promote and sell just about anything else, other than porn if it comes as long. As a matter of fact I have. I go where the money is, not where I need to make a political statement. I wouldn't do something i absolutely HATE but if I could do something I don't like, if it generates money. Most of America hates their job, but they still do it, just to make money.

Supporting free sites doesn't make anybody money. I don't know what genius started that notion, but it ends up being LESS money for everyone in the industry. So I don't know if you actually believe supporting free sites benefits us all, but in my opinion, it's not possible.

Sorry, I don't submit to TGPs :) Never even tried. I was just talking to someone about this tonight. Him and I have the same traffic basically and he said how TGPs never gave him a sale, I told him I've never even submitted to any :1orglaugh No offense, but I wouldn't waste my time :)

no offense taken.

:drinkup

so to sum up.....


















TUPAC IS ALIVE

:)

East coast!!!!! :1orglaugh

LOL

yep ...
right on the money.

Didn't know that ...
have a link to any info?

Pro-censorship is anti-American.

The internet is not for kids, it is for adults.

Interesting diplays of a total lack of logic and the inability to understand both supply and demand and basic marketing.

I'm highly doubtful this will happen in the near future but makes for an interesting and often amusing thread.

I agree with you 100% :thumbsup

I agree.

Today:
"-Let´s protect our kids. Let´s shut down all porn."
"-Wait, shutting down ALL porn will create turmoil and resistance. Why don´t we start with those small free sites? We have a good excuse, and those sites are run by individuals who will make the least noise."
The paysite owners get happy.

Tomorrow:
"-Hey, doesn´t the Bible say that porn is a sin? And, oh my God, there are people trying to MAKE MONEY selling sin? Where´s that law of last year which restricted porn? These sinners never learn, let´s add some ammendments to the law, let´s protect our families, let´s...".
The same paysite owners see how difficult is to put boundaries to censorship.

How about the government would just put a PG stamp on the whole internet, like they do with movies!!

It is not our responsbility to make sure kids do not see our stuff, like it is not Hollywoods responability to make sure minors do not see their films!

There are programs out there that limit access to the internet, and if you don´t want your kids to see porn, simply buy those programs!!!

There was a point and time that Thehun was just a listing of paysite tours...

Actually there are ways to verify age using a government issued ID in the US. If you google "age verification" there are 3 companies which provide it, Paymentech, CyberSource and VerifyME.

Secondly, as we have all seen, Visa, MC et al have zero interest in verify ages for adult transactions. I am simply surprised that no one in our community even bothers to look for these services.

Look, let's face the goalie and get to the puck.

The adult side of the web is a strong force to be reckoned with. The commerce dept. is the be all decision maker of the web anyhow in the U.S.

Even if the Supreme Court and even the friggin' Justice League :) came up with a way to censor this or that, another country would spring up with their own form of the web and everyone would run to them to get their smut. There are countries chomping at the bit to be the new web hub.

All ya need is phone lines and puters which there ain't no shortage of.

The web is making way too much money for everybody and it's biggest attraction is SMUT. Plain and simple.

So what can be done? Whatever can be done had better be done fast as new technologies are ready to launch within the next two years.

It all boils down to taking responsibility on all fronts to make the web safe and lucrative. Since not everyone is going to play along we may well see quite the fight ahead. Problem? The U.S., Britain and the allied countries can crack down on only their citizens but that would just push that very profitable section of the web into the hands of foreign groups who have no ethics. Would make em' stinkin' rich overnight.

Will be interesting to see what happens in the next year or so.

I didn't read past here. your first statement is wrong. how could what follows have merit?

I think it always helps to look at the relevant law

This would effectively kill all free sites, search engine listings, and so on. The search engines will simply quit listing porn/Adult sites.

Note the inclusion of the term ?writing? if you?re a pay site owner you won?t even be able to include a description of what someone gets if they buy a membership to your site. And it has that horrible community standards test. For example if your free content would be found to be in violation of the community standards in Utah, it would be illegal everywhere because people could access it from Utah. Only the standard with the COPA test is much more restrictive. It is would horny 14 and 15 year old boys find that your free tour sexually excites them? If so your free tour, would have to be behind an age verification scheme.

This is all well and good, but idealistic and unrealistic.
When a parent is sitting with their child doing a search for something and the first thing popping up on the screen in bold letters is that term surrounded by "ASS-RIPPING HARDCORE ANAL SEX CUM WHORES" then it's meaningless for the parent to be there, isn't it? The child has already seen that nasty phrase (and the associated description coupled with it) and the cat is out of the bag.

I agree that parents should surf with children. But thanks to the hordes of unethical webmasters who will use any and every popular term they can find to spam the SEs with their shit, IT DOESN'T CURE THE PROBLEM.

thats what i've been saying, ppl seem to want to ignore it and pretend like SE's will be their best friend.

and this proves that even if search engines will list 'adult' sites that won't even be able to use the proper keywords to get the site/page listed.

it would be funny if all the tgp owners and free site guys decided to all open their own paysites if this really happened. im sure these ppl who seem so happy at this possiblity would love that. but yeah...it won't happen im sure. everyone was freaking out about this in 98 and nothing happened. the net is just too subjective, too international.

Oh bullshit. That's your bank account talking.
The internet is for everyone.

The inherent flaw with your argument is that there is a person at the movie ticket booth that verifies age before entrance is sold and granted.

Gee, a response coming from a throwback like 12clicks is about as valuable as lighting gorilla farts with a welding torch.

counter point! you win.:1orglaugh

this is still a business son, 3rd grade analogies reflect on the guy posting them. talk to many busienss people here? I'll bet not.

Yes, I talk to the ones who can SPELL.


Now stop peeking over Washo's shoulder and do your tests yourself.