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dude it's a dongle , a USB or serial port device.. the hackers will bypass them if they havn't allready... software companys that sell software with price tags in the thousands, have tried dongles.. guess what they failed..

all it takes is tipically a simple fix that tells the computer there is a dongle plugged in... and guess who the one's are that make these cracks and use them... the kiddies..

the only thing that german system will do is look pretty on paper





the other thing is, I may be new but it dosn't take manny brain cells to figure out that it will mean the end of nothing.. if they pass the law in the US.. then it will only hurt US webmasters and companys.. funny thing is all you people claiming TGP's are killing the business if it's really true and TGPs were hurting paysites sales... then why oh why do so manny paysites offer up free hosted TGP galleries?

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aw the kids the kids, you gotta explain them everything

a) US is the biggest market for porn (not really, but let's follow this path). Once US laws prohibits the access to porn sites without PROPER age verification, most countries will follow. Say that EEC will follow, or at least most of its countries.

b) This leaves us with 2 groups: countries with restrictions to porn access and countries without restrictions. Sites will need to host or eventually have a corporative presence in one of these countries. But SURFERS (yeah, those fucking freeloaders) will have no other choice than sign to paysites (or something else I know but I won't tell ). Just imagine: free sites in slow servers (even in other languages! ) are great for teasing, but not to be your only porn source. But let's adjust the equation going to...

c) people in these countries will realize that they have a gold mine, and instead of having 30 pics galleries, no ads at all they'll have TGP2 like galleries, only teasing, directing the traffic to paysites. Even big thumbs linked directly to tours ;)

d) at the same time, SE and PPC will direct traffic to splash pages, no porn, no nudity, just TEASING (I don't know you, but I'm old enough to know that below the clothes there's flesh, not a robotransformer or some crap like that, therefore I don't need absolute depiction of scenes to be teased)

I won't explain anymore, find out by yourself, but only with this you'll see it's a win-win situation. US webmasters will have tons of paysites, specialization and niche will become a must, content providers (I readt somebody saying content providers will suffer- LOL) will provide mostly exclusive at virtually any price they want, if you cannot afford a paysite you'll be able to launch loads of AVS, maybe fed with paysites with upsells content, graphic designers, programmers and CC processors will have thousands of new clients everyday... yeah, adding a constant flux of money to a market is never, and I mean NEVER bad. Don't know what the guys saying this are smoking, but maybe they'd change to something that doesn't kill their sense of reality. And if you don't understand... well, sorry, there's always a place for you at Wendy's. BUt hurry up before you grow too old even for Wendy's!

btw, the very same minute something changes slightly towards this direction, if it ever happens, you all will see something that will change the biz as it is known until known. And coming from me!

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Slick

I don't think that this would be a good thing I hate censorship of any kind. A decision like that would devastate the porn industry. I think that if the US wants to keep kids off of porn, then they should develop one of the highest quality adult content blocking software programs ever made and give it out as a free download. If parents want it, they can download it and pop it on OR perhaps maybe ole Bill Gates can somehow incorporate it into IE.

For all of you that are thinking about the SE source of traffic. My prediction on that matter would be that all of the big SEs like Google would see a big potential to charge sites to be listed in their directories, thus, fucking a lot of the smaller guys OR on the other side of it, would they even be able to legally list adult sites without having the surfer verify their age first ???

BlackCrayon

do you guys really think you'll be able to get pages listed in search engines that say shit like 'hardcore pussy fuck pics'?? no, they said adult language was a no no too if im not mistaken. the big difference in the old days as someone pointed out, there was hardly any competition, and another thing is that there were no rules, you could whore the SE's, spam, ect.

answer this, what would you do if adult searches were no longer allowed on search engines without adult verification?

and free porn will still be out there, and always have. i can download tons of full length dvd rips off the newsgroups.

yeah that sounds all nice and good but where are you gonna be without those nice keywords?

if you ask me all this will result in is more corporation style companies running things. no more room for the average joe. big business, blah blah blah.

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Slick

What do you think the chances are of this thing actually going through this time ?? It's already been denied a couple of times. I hope that those same people are in there and will shoot it down again

The thing is that they want to DESTROY the porn industry, nobody in office likes what we do, the only people that we have on our side are the people that believe in "free speech", other than that, they'd be much happier having porn buried on the net or gone all together.

the indigo

We are talking about a Worldwide law and/or any US citizen caught running an offshore adult company and promoting porn online will go in jail.

Otherwise, people are not stupid. Start an canadian marketing company and host your TGPs and free sites from your US home.

Bottom line is, without freesites (worldwide), we are mostly screwed. The only options are SEs and this will leave out 80% of the industry, like I said previously.

The "legal" teasing will fail. We are not in 1997. How the fuck do you plan on marketing a hardcore cumshot paysite when people are used to download 3 minutes video clips of MILF fucked in the ass? Oh and who will draw the line between "legal adult teasing viewable by children" and "illegal adult teasing viewable by children". Text is also dangerous.

It's like driving a ferrari then... oh no ferrari anymore, you have to go back driving a old piece of shit. FUCK THAT. As a surfer, I will go load my Kazaa and won't be interested in viewing any BS "legal" teasing.

We had TGP2 style galleries 3 years ago. The reason the rules are "18 pics minimum, extremely high quality, non-compressed" now, is simply because there's "unlimited" competition.

The problem with our industry is that there's no regulation at all. You won't see a shop in real life selling their stuff cheaper than the wholesale price. It's not legal. It's regulated.

You guys are dreaming. We are in 2004. This is an industry now, exactly like the music industry. In 97-98, it was NOT.

harvey

OK then

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Won't they need to shut down fucking newsgroups first?

Why bother shutting down free sites when you have to search for them? Newsgroups have everything anyone would want to see.

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It won't happen anytime soon. In the future, porn sites might be only available on .xxx or .sex or something like that (And you will have to prove your age before login), but this won't kill free porn.

Anyway, even if it happen, people will simply go offshore. It will take a couple of years before all countries unite, EXCEPT if there's a law against *any* american running free porn on the net (even if he goes offshore and use a EU corporation)

Personally, I'm canadian so this might be good

chowda

hehehe. p2p will be the next tgp?

wtf are u smoking

I can single handedly post up 100 differently named videos that are all the same video. you want anal bukkake, ull get my video

i can be the first to put up corrupt or fake mp3s

i can be a virus on any p2p.

u think u can find a decent porn video after i spam every possible keyword for movies and pornstar action on it?

p2p is like communism. in the beginning, it worked well since everybody worked and put in honest files and shared them

but ppl who want to freeload now a days, they wont be getting what they looked for.

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Newsgroups are not User-Friendly.

Public Newsgroups you get with your local ISP just plain suck, and it's mainly a pain in the ass.

Average joe doesn't even know what are newsgroups.

(pay-newsgroups like easynews.com are extremely easy to use, but you have to pay $10/month and $10 per 6 gigs of download)

P2P is another story. It's User-Friendly, simple, fast and you can find anything you are looking for... both Average Joe and his Mom can use a P2P.

Kill the P2Ps

Theo

let's assume that free sites gets illegal

Which one of you will stand against a supreme court decision?

the indigo

Why do you spam videos that people are not even looking for? Wasting bandwitdh for 1:10,000 ratio is just plain stupid.

Anyway,

I agree it will get worse, it will get much more time to find good videos or good mp3, and it's exactly why you will see PAY-P2P in the future that will filter cheap motherfuckers...

BUT it will still be the easiest way to find free music, free porn, free software for Average Joe and his Mom.

Pornwolf

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I guess some of you did not get your free site listed on Persian Kitty back when she started?

Free sites are how all the big paysites got big except for a few who bought traffic via yahoo/excite/lycos. (Webpower spent millions on traffic from Yahoo.. something like 8mil a month I believe at their peak)

Free sites have existed since I started in 95 and made huge amounts of cash in late 96 to early 97 when CE and Webpower had their 2 cent a click deal.

So I dont know what the fuck the idiots who say there were no free sites they are what started it all. Throw up a few naked chicks then link to another site with more pics on your isp account.

maxjohan

Haven't read everything too much bullshit for me *sniff*sniff*

If anyone have said offline advertising more than only SE's that I heard x times then you're on my 1% list.

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Exactly. That's why I asked what the hell they were talking about.

lovefucking

i dont fucken care because i have a lot of hot cards
i access to the porn site free anyhow

Furious_Female

FUCK FREE SITES!

They have become the disney land of porn to cheap bastards all over the world. Pay site conversions would sky rocket.

Before the digital age of the internet surfer checking out porn online.... Hustler, Playboy, Penthouse ...all dirty magazines have been on store shelves, with something covering the front of them, so that you couldn't see anything more than the name and her EYEBALLS. When that censorship came about, did these magazines go broke? HELL NO, they grew to be the enormous empires that they are today, without giving ANY free samples/teases. You think guys looking for porn are turned off by just sexy poses with non nude girls? Puh-lease... guys get turned on by women in coveralls and a veil over her head. What's left to the imagination is all the more fulfilling once inside.

Free sites have desensitized surfers to porn. It takes extreme niches and half a bottle of viagra to get surfers aroused anymore. They have seen it ALL, for FREE. They do not need teasers, a woman in a bikini. Done. They are teased. That's all they need.

All of my pages have no nudity. Ok a few tit pics once in a blue moon. But I compared my sign up ratio, from showing it all to showing girls with sexy clothes on, but not nude and my sales were always better with not showing them too much for free. As a matter of fact, showing them too much for free, ended up producing nearly no sales.

No offense to anyone, but TGPs and movie posts have gone WAY too far. Why buy the cow when the milk is free? I have seen TOURS and JOIN PAGES, heck even animated GIFs that guys could get off on lol.

My approach and it works: Little to no nudity, explicit or teasing/flirtacious TEXT and links to the sign up page. Skip tours... Get them while they are ready for it, don't distract them. And for all the people on dial up, they don't feel like loading 800 pages to get the goods or surfing through 100 softcore pics, that really don't turn them on enough, but by the time they realize the pics aren't all that hardcore, they don't even want to waste more time joining anything.

Sure TGPs make money. Mainly for the one that owns the TGP... but just think of all that traffic and the horrible ratios, that could one day be all that traffic and GREAT ratios...

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So what is allowed, a soft nipple or a hard nipple?
Can i say Fuck or Fu**?
Will i be in trouble with the government, or worse yet, the self appointed shop stewards representing adult webmasters.

oh, so many questions....

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See I have a real problem with people that think like this, because they seem to think the internet is and should be one giant porn advertising pool. That's not the case, even though that's what it has turned into.

All you have to think is: What do offline adult business have to abide by and already had to, before the internet ever existed?

Do strip clubs have "GIRLS FUCKING NUDE" signs outside their buildings? No. Do they have girls flashing their boobs to passer bys? Nope. They have big neon signs and silhouettes.

Do adult stores offline have pictures of sex toys on billboards by their stores? No. Do they have nude pictures on the outside of their stores? Not a chance.

These decency laws already exist. Why anyone would be shocked that the US government wants them applied to the internet as well, is beyond me. I am all for freedom of speech and the rights of adults, however, I respect children, people who do not want to see hardcore visuals and the law that pertains to both. I wouldn't want my mom or my kid stumbling upon things they didn't intend to see, but I believe it's perfectly ok for adults to have access to it, but not out in the open. Memberships conseal what is inside of a site, I don't think it should be leaked out prematurely.

And if you think surfers won't know how to find where the paysites are, I guess you believe surfers cannot read? (Ok a lot of them can't or don't ) but next to a woman in bra and panties, I think they learn to navigate pretty quickly

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the Shemp

so is Yahoo indecent?

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do you really think that the end of free sites will be the only step? People that support censorship DO NOT HAVE LIMITS.

If you want your kids to not access porn, you should monitor his/her online activities. Studies have showed that kids are not affected negative by porn. Who hasn't watch porn in young age?

Behind such attempts you'll see hypocrites and blind religious freaks.

Theo

Furious_Female, honestly you shouldnt be in this industry. You work against your beliefs. Does it make you sad?

harvey

Just one question: what has to do selling (please note the word I'm using) porn with censorship? I think somehow the whole point is missed here. In any case, we're talking about restricting access to minors, that's it. And better yet, restricting access to freeloaders. Sorry if it bothers somebody that I don't want to pay for the so called "freedom", in any case, let's do this: I'll offer everybody free porn and all the "freeloader cause fighters" prepay me Right now the discussion has turned funny to say the least

And to Shemp: Yahoo could be indecent, as well as so many priests fucking boys. Last time I checked Yahoo was selling porn, so it's not like they're very clean to me

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Exactly Harvey, the lingerie section of the Sears catalog is indecent to some people as well.

I guess bottom line, ive never asked a sponser to give away free hardcore content and ive never asked a webmaster to send me a hardcore gallery. That is the way the market has evolved.

Weve been to the wall and back a few times with this anti free site stuff and we will do as we have done in the past...wait for the court to make a judgement and act within the law.

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Search engines and niche specific link lists, if it is out there I.....err..... they, will find it.

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Pornwolf

Well said Shemp.

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A ban on free uncensored pics would be devistating to many webmasters.

What that basically means is anyone living in the US can't publish any nudity at all, while everyone else around the world can.

Sure, you can say the rest of the government's around the world will follow suit. But how many YEARS would that take? It could be 5-10 years before the playing field is level again and everyone is forced to censor images.

Do you feel as though you can compete against webmasters who have no limits, while at the same time you have to black out all nudity?

Furious_Female

Yahoo advertising iFriends isn't free like a TGP. iFriends still requires a credit card and $1 (last I checked)

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almost every site or gallery that is on shemp or other TGPs is available through a yahoo search.

just searched "hardcore teens" on yahoo, this was #2 listing
http://www.teensmillenium.com/hardco...allery160.html

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Pornwolf

I'm sure the government is quite aware the way to control free porn is through the hosts and the processors - NOT the webmasters.

I heard this bill is expected to pass in June 2004. At that time I bet any host in a participating country with uncensored porn on their servers will be served with a cease and decist notice. That will effectively eradicate 90% of the free porn.

This will be a good thing for all of us. It's kind of like resetting the clock to 1997. Lord knows, we really need it now because the business is getting kinda crazy.

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I shouldn't be in this industry? People like YOU bring it down. If I didn't belong in this industry, I wouldn't know what makes money and what doesn't. It's common sense, that if you GIVE it away, very few are going to buy it.

I have been in this business for 4 years. I have done nothing but double my income every year since. Using CENSORED tactics through and through. Since TGPs and things alike have evolved, it's become harder and harder to make money. Free porn is saturated.

In the year 2000 I made $36,000 from ONE set of photos, in a 4 month period of time, that could have easily been imitated on any TGP. I gave NOTHING away for free. I tried it a few times, a day's worth of traffic at a time, and showing too much, never produced more sales, for me at least. If I can do that, with ONE SET of photos, and continue to do it for years and years, not having to show it all, can you imagine what it would do for this industry if all free sites were kept to a minimum?

I don't belong in this industry? Really!? I work against my own beliefs??? OMG really?? Ha. Seriously... fuckin HA HA HA. My beliefs are to 1-) Sell porn memberships to adults 2-) Not advertise it to minors 3-) Make as much money as possible. Explain to me how GIVING it away, works against the principles of MAKING MONEY?

Does this make me sad? Yes it does Because people like you, that thrive on promoting enter your email shit, because you can't slang a paid membership on your TGP hand me down traffic make me wanna puke. You guys brought this industry to what it is today.

My beliefs have nothing to do with free sites, too many teasers and having content readily available for anyone, including minors to see. Wake up. These laws already exist, they are just finally coming on the net, now it's about damage control because preventing it, when it's an inferno burning out of control is unrealistic.

And the people that think P2P clients would replace free sites are wrong as well. Programs like Kazaa dominate porn searches with their own pay ads as well. It's not easy for the average surfer to find quality porn on P2P and then hope someone will let them leech.

Think outside the box. The world was already spinning before porn online came about. Where are all the free images Hustler gives away, before you buy their magazines? Where are all the free movie clips before you rent a porn video?? I rest my case.

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So how many pics were in that set?

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Furious_Female

About 25, I still have it on an old hard drive. I still use her once in awhile. What's old to someone, is brand new to someone that's never seen it before.

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Swiftone

This won't get passed, its already been shot down several times.

And by the way, I can't believe some big paysite owners are saying they hope this happen. You guys are all aware its been established that a credit card is not a valid form of proof of age right? What exactly makes you think your paysites will be immune?

Religious zealots who want this shit to pass suck. If whiny parents don't want their children getting into porn, perhaps they should observe their child on the computer and buy some filtering software. The net is a different medium then offline, its not quite the same as putting a big picture of a pussy on the side of a store where everyone who drives by is forced to see. If someone goes online and starts searching for hardcore XXX pussy sex, they know what they are getting themselves into.

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Furious_Female

On a perfect internet, that would be true. But on the internet that exists, porn pops up from careless and greedy promoters, when people do not go looking for it and that is not fair to anyone. It even annoys me and I am a part of the industry. When I am searching for things and a million porn sites come up or misleading advertisements lead you to it, it's just wrong.

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Thats a great return on a small investment.

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The ones seeking censorship do not separate the commercial part from the non commercial. Although the commercial part is of our interest, personally I would care the same for the prohibition of an adult site with no financial interest. I find 100% responsible the parent of a kid regarding his online activities and that's about it.

"And better yet, restricting access to freeloaders." I don't see the point of offering prices for TGP designs and galleries in your portofolio (which i find very good )...who would spend money to offer something to freeloaders? :-)

As Flynt said once, live coverage of killing a person is no problem, while showing people having sex is major moral issue.

Furious_Female, you didn't touch my point at all. From your words, money is your no1 priority behind the prohibition of free sites. Since you believe it will make you more money a "clean internet" you support it. I didnt make a single reference to the financial part of prohibition. If tommorow free sites go away, i won't be affected AT ALL financially, but i'm here to support them because by doing it I support my beliefs. I repeat:

<< I find 100% responsible the parent of a kid regarding his online activities and that's about it. >>

Furious_Female

Yes it is. All I had to do was post some non-nude photos on a page, push an AVS membership, put the full set inside the members area and bam... memberships by the dozens everyday. Until typing in ampland became more popular than doing things the legit way.

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I really never have this happen anymore with google. But either way, I don't think this is something that warrants government regulation. More like improved search engines and filtering software. I'm also a big fan of the kids.us domains, parents can block everything but them if they are concerned. I won't advocate any form of censorship, ever, even if it might help things out. We simply do not need more religious zealots forcing their morals upon everyone.

I think 'porn' being illegal for anyone under 18-21 is ridiculous to begin with, but thanks to religious people who are ashamed of our sexuality it's extremely taboo, looked down upon and regulated by the gov. I think the age should be more like 16, with maybe higher age restrictions on more intense stuff.

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i think almost everyone would agree that no free porn would skyocket business beyond where we were in 1996.... i guarantee it... and you tgp submitting ppl will simply have to adapt and get used to making big money.....

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Can i offer you a preferred submit account at shemp?
I can post a couple of your galleries every day, softcore if you like.

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I am in this industry for money. I am all for free speech and expression, but I believe there is a time and place for everything. While I agree it IS the parents obligation to monitor what their child does and sees online, kids and parents both stumble into things unknowingly because it is not spelled out for them, like it should be sometimes.

I support adults rights to display and enjoy sex as often and as much as they want, BUT all I am saying is, put it behind closed doors and in internet terms, behind PAID memberships. Credit cards cannot and will not prove age, but they will filter a lot of kids from seeing it AND from freeloaders.

My beliefs are about surviving and making money, yes. I would promote and sell just about anything else, other than porn if it comes as long. As a matter of fact I have. I go where the money is, not where I need to make a political statement. I wouldn't do something i absolutely HATE but if I could do something I don't like, if it generates money. Most of America hates their job, but they still do it, just to make money.

Supporting free sites doesn't make anybody money. I don't know what genius started that notion, but it ends up being LESS money for everyone in the industry. So I don't know if you actually believe supporting free sites benefits us all, but in my opinion, it's not possible.

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Furious_Female

Sorry, I don't submit to TGPs Never even tried. I was just talking to someone about this tonight. Him and I have the same traffic basically and he said how TGPs never gave him a sale, I told him I've never even submitted to any No offense, but I wouldn't waste my time

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no offense taken.

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