Another good point:)

LadyMischief I don't have to research a company to be offended by a notice they post on a board that I read!

I don't care what their "full legal rights are"!

My post was about the thread they started and what was said in the original post here. That's it!

It's unfortunate that your posts LadyMischief seem much more focused on the rights of the company suing, and not the great dilemma that the affiliates of Adultbouncer face. The time and effort they've put in that's possibly in jeopardy here.. their income. The families they support. Them being dragged into this and most likely not knowing they were doing something wrong.

Think about that LadyMischief instead of focusing on the rights of a corporation. I'm sure you feel Acacia is "FULLY WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS" .. if you don't then you're a hypocrite.

I told you I needed my coffee and you just had to sink your teeth in didn't you?:feels-hot

And what funds will JM use to sue Adultbouncer with? Will they spend 250k on a 18 month litigation? Some people here need a serious wakeup call.

There's 3 or 4 companies in the DVD market earning cash, the rest is ridiculous amateurs who don't have a clue about porn not to mention even the slightest business sense. Their margins aren't anywhere close to even the shittiest online porn operations. Adultbouncer alone probably nets more than all the crap US DVD/VHS production companies combined.

This thread reminds me the idiots here whining about spammers. Whiners sitting in their 25k trailer home complaining all day. Spammer sitting in their 5MM bahamas mansion laughing their ass off.

Shut the fuck up cockholster. Take your sliding scale of immorality someplace else. Spamming isn't STEALING. And your attitude is shared by AdultBouncer, DeluxePass and their progeny and affiliates and it is the attitude that will finally incite others besides JM Productions to take action. And they will get smarter and they will start going after the punk affiliates as well.

Acacia has no rights to shit, they are a bunch of dickheads who think they can run the industry into the ground or make millions off it when someone else was obvioisly doing this way before they bought someone elses patent and then waited 8 years or so to do anything about it.

Acacia can suck my saggy ass hairy balls and take a flying leap at my ass if they think they will ever get a god damn penny out of me, I will close down and file bankruptcy before that ever happens.

Just because the big companies with no balls decided to settle and leave it to the small companies to fight for them doesn't mean Acacia has a right to the sweat off my balls, fuck them and their mommas too...HEY ACACIA SUCK MY DICK FAGGOTS!!!!


Ok I am done ranting on acacia now, back to the normal thread folks:)

That's what you dumbass told us 18 months ago. Nothing has happend.

I guess all your whining to Dion hasn't shown any results huh?

May I ask why is it that expensive compared to amateur porn videos/dvds that cost less than $6,000 to produced for 3-4 scenes?

No, the Acacia situation is entirely different... Not only are they extortionists on a huge level, but they are suing for something that has much prior art, and a patent that is sketchy at best (and something they didn't even develop, which if I had my say, would give them NO claim to it). That's an ENTIRELY DIFFERENT sitauation from copyrights that are being dealt with here. Acacia are vultures who buy up patents with the sole purpose of pursing legal action and suing and profiting from those patents. Producing content is a whole other matter altogether. They may fall under the same laws, but that's like comparing apples and oranges.

If you were a content producer and someone, and their affiliates were profiting ILLEGALLY from your product, would you not seek legal recourse? I would, and I have. As an artist, and as someone who puts out money to produce content, why should I essentially allow my product to be given away for free? Something I spend my money on creating, and something I spend my time creating? Should I allow others to profit freely from my hard work, money, and effort? No... Content theft is theft, period. The affiliates in this case are victims, however unfortunate, but they are STILL LEGALLY LIABLE. I'm not sticking up for the company suing per se, I'm sticking up for my right as a content producer and provider to ask and recieve what is due for my work, and the same for ANYONE who produces content, takes pictures, makes a movie, draws anime or hentai, etc etc etc. It's all the same thing. I shoot mainstream photography as well, and I tell you, I HAVE sued people for using my images without legal rights to do so. Why? Because it's my LIVLIHOOD that's at stake. And if they can steal my picture and make money from it, what's to say they can't do the same for other things, or do the same to other people?

If the example of what's going on here is to become the norm, it would basically mean that I would go out, pay models, take the pictures and time to do that, post-produce, do the paperwork, pay legal fees to my lawyers etc etc etc and then just turn around and give those pictures or movies away freely to anyone who wants to use them to turn a buck. Is that what you'd like me to do? Because, essentially, that's what it boils down to. That doesn't make me a hypocrite in the least.

If affiliates of this program are in danger, they shouldn't be angry at JM, the should be angry at the company that placed them in a precarious legal position in the first place, because as far as I'm concerned, it's the PROGRAM'S responsibility to ensure that their content is 100% legal, and that they are using it within legal boundries. THEY are the ones putting their affiliates at risk by not doing so. Being angry at JM for excercising their legal right to sue for their work, time, and money is misdirected at best.

Apparently you aren't taking into consideration that a good legal case does NOT happen overnight, and in fact can take a year or more to prepare?

I wouldn't be so confident if I were you. The lure of $100,000 per image and loss of profits can be a mighty incentive.. Especially considering they would likely win.

A lot of people are gonna be pissed

PERFECT EXAMPLE!!!!


http://www.apic-adult.com/news/032300.htm

You blame em? :)

DBM and MMV have always retained internet, streaming and
PPV rights on all their material. You could not have negotiated it through a third party. I, and my distributor, have licensed a couple of hundred DBM, Videorama and MMV videos and DVDs for distribution in the United States, and those licenses have never included internet rights. The producers reserve them so that they can make their own PPV sites.

Further, the use of SEG's Fisting Lessons material plainly violates their terms of service, and I know you (AB) have already been contacted about this.

I've already alerted the licensing group at MultiMedia Verlag to your use of their Uromania and other titles.

Scott they make up stories and bullshit as they go along. I got tons of AB and DP webmasters months ago emailing me about 'special licenses' - of course I checked it out with the owners of the movies and no special license ever existed.
More fabrication.

AdultBouncer and DeluxePass have made millions of dollars off the backs of producers all over the world. It's up to the producers to fight back and take back what is rightfully theirs and clean things up for everybody involved in the movie biz on the Net and off it.

Welcome to GFY, Scott.

One word, owtch! :)

Exactly... If we don't fight for our rights as producers, nobody's going to do it for us.

"If you were a content producer and someone"

I am a content producer and am glad you're shifting your focus to the victims of this situation instead of the rights of a company to sue.

Nice way to edge out of the Acacia issue without mentioning your stance on their legal rights... which is what I referenced in my post to you :winkwink: I'll let you slide this time :thumbsup

I think I made quite clear how I feel on Acacia. In the eyes of the law, for as long as they hold their patent, they are legally entitled to sue based on present copyright law. However I feel the legality of their patent is sketchy as best, and this will be proven in time. Their methods are certainly less than savory.

As for the producers in this situation, they DEFINITELY ARE the proper owners of the materials, and the y have put their work and money into it. That is not in question, is it? My focus always WAS on the victims, but what makes the producer any LESS of a victim in this scenario? What, because it's a company, they shouldn't be bothered by the illegal use of their content? They are just as much the victims. Exercising their right to end the "victimization" is just what anyone would do in their position. Should they just forget about it and let anyone who wants to use their content however they feel they should? Would YOU allow that!? Get REAL!

Sure, I feel bad for the affiliates in the situation, but you know what? I made what I feel on THAT pretty clear too. They shouldn't be angry at JM for doing what anyone in JM's position would do. Especially considering JM MADE consideration for them and gave them the opportunity to contact them personally. I think that's a damn fine move on their part. I would, however, be VERY angry at the company I put my trust in in the first place.. the one profiting not only from illegal material, but from my hard work. If someone had put ME in that kind of legal jeopardy, when I placed my professional and personal trust in them, THAT person/entity/company would be in my shit list in a LARGE WAY.

Rob - Could this be the SAME content supplier that said you were allowed to use New Sensations / Digital Sin titles last year that we ended up battling over for months????? I have a feeling we both know who this said content supplier is and how out of line he turned out to be...

Maybe its time for a new content supplier man :2 cents:

Not trying to stir up shit up here fellow GFY'rs so put the popcorn away - Me and Rob have worked things out and this is in the past :thumbsup - just feels a little like...... >>>>>>>>

dé·jà vu -
1 a : the illusion of remembering scenes and events when experienced for the first time b : a feeling that one has seen or heard something before
2 : something overly or unpleasantly familiar


Sean Holland
VP - New Sensations / Digital Sin

Surprises me it took this long...

tone down that 1500 X 600 banner - fucking irritating.:ak47:

Mutt

Your sig is just way too much. Tends to reduce your credibility.

Tone it down. Can't even read the posts with that flash blast going.

What is it you are trying to accomplish with that?

Sorry Mutt you act like you know everything about this subject & I thought you knew a lot but from what you just posted here you don't know as much as I thought you did. Your very mistaken about licences from these studios, its extra money in the bank for them, they licence their stuff to a bunch of companies including my business and I get emails from them asking if we'd like to Licence more of it. They know its being used all over the place and that seems to be fine with them. All of the movies from Deluxepass and most from AB will be licenced and they are often granted unlimited domain licences so whats the big deal??? You give out an unlimited domain licence, you have affliates hosting on your subdomains, they are promoting 1 product at the end of the day, they are not allowed to use it anywhere else just to promote 1 product AB or DP or whatever. The studio's i've dealt with are happy with unlimited domain licences or they wouldn't do it.

Not saying all of DP or AB stuff is legal, i've downloaded Anabolic discontinued Roughsex movies off DP sites 5 months ago, i've seen lots of unlicenced stuff on both, but DP seems to have licence to all there stuff now days. AB would be stupid to have that much money and not licence every bit of there content.

Ohhh.. so that's why they're suing, along with two other studios now, right? I get it!

The reason that most big porno companies won't license their movies as webcontent is because they feel they can't control it.
I know this for a fact because I produce movies for 5 different adult companies, only 3 of them made a deal with me allowing me to "distribute as internet content " movies they purchased "exclusive wholesale/retail video video rights for from me.
Which means I have the original tapes, releases, and ID's and makes me the legal owner, and producer of the material.
If you don't have original releases, you don't own it, and therefore cannot license it to someone else.
At least in the eyes of the bigger porno companies.They trade movies between themselves on a daily basis, and end up selling the same movie a dozen times by the time it's been re-edited, and the scenes shuffled like a deck of cards
The internet is a threat to them, the guy who buys porn no longer has to go to the neighborhood porno shop and pay $49 for a tape or DVD. All he needs to do is turn on his PC with CC in hand. So any deal made with them is suspect, even written ones.
ownership squashes all the bullshit. No documents= no ownership.

Bingo :)

AVN Article

CHATSWORTH, Calif. - Adult verification and content provider J.M. Productions is accusing AdultBouncer.com of distributing J.M. content without a license, and is asking AdultBouncer.com Webmasters and affiliates to cease and desist to avoid being named in an intended lawsuit.

J.M. Productions told AVN.com October 13 that the suit has yet to be filed because more legwork needs to be done, but an unnamed party brought to the company's attention that an AdultBouncer.com affiliate had shown some of J.M.'s adult movies, which the company said it has not licensed to show online.

The J.M. titles in question, are Assy 6, Gag Factor 5, The Violation of Aurora Snow, The Violation of Briana Banks, The Violation of Katie Gold, The Violation of Kiki Daire, and Perverted Stories 34-36.

"I'm fed up with these people stealing my content," J.M. owner Jeff Stewart said when reached for comment. "And I want to make an example out of them."

J.M.'s attorney, Al Gelbart, said when reached for comment that a formal cease-and-desist demand was sent to AdultBouncer.com, "but they haven't responded, so we will be filing the appropriate federal actions," Gelbart said. Neither was AdultBouncer.com available for comment when reached by AVN.com October 13.

But Gelbart also said J.M. is not looking to target or even punish AdultBouncer affiliates who showed the content without realizing it wasn't licensed for online showing or downloading. All the company wants in that regard, Gelbart said, was for any of those affiliates to come forward about the source of the material.

"I think (the word) has just gone out," Gelbart said, "so we haven't heard back from anybody just yet. But it would certainly make it easier if the affiliates would come forward and talk to us. If an affiliate is truthfully an innocent infringer, and they thought they were properly licensing this material and they take it down, it's not our intention of punishing an innocent infringer. But if they keep it up there and make it harder for us to find who the real sources of the problem are, we're going to look at them for contributory infringement."

Neither Stewart nor Gelbart could say precisely when the lawsuit would be filed in court.

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I guess the whole Web Legal thing is coming full circle.

Well reasoned and insightful dialogue are what make
bulletin boards so informative.

I wouldn't be sensing sarcasm here, would I? I mean, that would be wrong, wouldn't it? :)

Heaven forfend. I thought the poster made their feelings quite clear. Any uncertainty I may have over the niggling details obviously stem from my own lack of understanding.

Bleh I am completely Pro AB Bias, Ignore anything that I have to say as it has no real meaning ^^

Oh I'm certain.. Don't you know, I share your lack of facilities for understanding. Shall we languish in stupidity together? :)

Well you could always try thinking for yourself. All this blind faith is making you look like a Bush supporter! :P

Luckily I don't live in the U.S.A but it's not blind faith. It's educated faith... But then again I prefer to let the masses speak because a bunch of idiots will always seem to make more sense than the 1 telling the truth :Graucho

Educated faith is all well and good, as long as you do your research.. Standing up for AB is one thing, but as an affiliate, are you willing to risk that they are wrong in this matter? The way things stand so far, a court is NOT going to be in their favor, and that stands ALL their affiliates in VERY bad stead indeed.

Indeed I am, if I am wrong I would have to accept the consequences. However have you seen the contract? For that matter has anyone? All you have so far is J.M's side of the story and Rob has kindly said his part in the situation 0.o

You are another fucking moron. Only an idiot or a thief believes that because you offer free hosting to an affiliate on a domain you own listed on a web license that gives you the right to 'give it away as free content'.
Go check any web license including the one you have and contact an attorney.

Do you know how fucking stupid you sound? There's a reason there is a clause in every web content license covering this , because a cockholster like you given an inch will take a mile.

That license give you the right to use those movies on domains you own AND operate, you are forbidden to transfer those movies to a third party in return for ANY financial consideration including TRAFFIC - which is EXACTLY what you think you have a right to do.

Answer me this Junior - why do you think the other AVS systems,
the long respected ones don't offer the same deal with movie and photo content? Why doesn't AgeCheck and ProAdult license Paul Markham's and Matrix Contents's entire content library and give it away for FREE to any AVS webmaster they provide free webhosting for? WHY? GOT AN ANSWER? BECAUSE IT'S NOT LEGAL AND MARKHAM AND MATRIX WOULD BE DOWN THEIR THROAT BY THE END OF THE DAY!!!