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Scott Kinney 10-14-2003 10:33 AM

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Originally posted by Project-Shadow
Indeed I am, if I am wrong I would have to accept the consequences. However have you seen the contract? For that matter has anyone? All you have so far is J.M's side of the story and Rob has kindly said his part in the situation 0.o
Actually, we have more than just 'J.M's side of the story'; we have

Sweet Entertainment Group saying that AB's use of Fisting Lessons content violates their terms of service.

DBM, who has never, and does not now license the internet rights to any of their releases.

MultiMedia Verlag, who has never licensed internet rights to any of their releases.

And you can't really write off J.M's action since they've gone to the trouble and expense to investigate the issue and initiate legal proceedings.

On the other hand, we have Rob saying, (and I'm paraphrasing) 'well, we have special licenses we bought from a 3rd party and I'm not going to say who, and I'm not going to show them to you.'

Rob would gain a whole lot more sympathy with a little more information than he is getting with a story that's only a step above 'the dog ate my homework'.

As an affiliate, you have a right to view these supposed licenses. In fact, I think you have a duty to do so to mitigate the damages should any infringing material appear on your site.

Saying "On thus-and-such date, I requested a copy of the licenses, I received them, read them and believed them to be genuine." would be a lot better for you than your current stance of "I can't be bothered."

Mutt 10-14-2003 10:36 AM

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Not saying all of DP or AB stuff is legal, i've downloaded Anabolic discontinued Roughsex movies off DP sites 5 months ago, i've seen lots of unlicenced stuff on both, but DP seems to have licence to all there stuff now days. AB would be stupid to have that much money and not licence every bit of there content.
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Not hard to find out, I believe WankerWang is back at Anabolic.
You're saying DeluxePass has a license to all Anabolic's stuff nowadays? I really really doubt it but we'll let Anabolic answer that.

LadyMischief 10-14-2003 10:45 AM

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Originally posted by Scott Kinney


Actually, we have more than just 'J.M's side of the story'; we have

Sweet Entertainment Group saying that AB's use of Fisting Lessons content violates their terms of service.

DBM, who has never, and does not now license the internet rights to any of their releases.

MultiMedia Verlag, who has never licensed internet rights to any of their releases.

And you can't really write off J.M's action since they've gone to the trouble and expense to investigate the issue and initiate legal proceedings.

On the other hand, we have Rob saying, (and I'm paraphrasing) 'well, we have special licenses we bought from a 3rd party and I'm not going to say who, and I'm not going to show them to you.'

Rob would gain a whole lot more sympathy with a little more information than he is getting with a story that's only a step above 'the dog ate my homework'.

As an affiliate, you have a right to view these supposed licenses. In fact, I think you have a duty to do so to mitigate the damages should any infringing material appear on your site.

Saying "On thus-and-such date, I requested a copy of the licenses, I received them, read them and believed them to be genuine." would be a lot better for you than your current stance of "I can't be bothered."

Not only that, but it would be pretty stupid of JM to initiate legal proceedings based on maybes and conjecture. In order to consider the expensive legal process, one must have proof, or a lawyer would laugh in their faces. Obviously JM's legal counsel believes there is enough evidence to start legal proceedings, and if the fact that several other companies are following suit is to be taken into account, I would say they must be justified. I don't think a bunch of companies just got together had coffee somewhere and said "Hey, let's lynch mob Adultbouncer for the fun of it!". No, this is business, and the companies involved are protecting their business interests. I think anyone forced into the same position would do the same, and anyone who says they WOULDN'T is either a liar, or stupid.

Fletch XXX 10-14-2003 10:46 AM

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Originally posted by tonymalice
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Project-Shadow 10-14-2003 10:46 AM

It's not the fact that I cannot be bothered.
It's educated faith ^_^

baddog 10-14-2003 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by AB-Devil
This borders on slander. But that is another dog to beat on another day.

For those of you saying that we have illegal content. I will say this. Prove it. Period. You don't know what licensing we have. And you have no idea what other agreements have been made.

The AB clone craze should tell everyone here a bit about how lucative this business can be.

hahaha. . . do you know what slander is? You can't do it on a board.

I like the "prove it" and "lucative"(sp) comments though.

Scott Kinney 10-14-2003 10:52 AM

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Originally posted by Project-Shadow
It's not the fact that I cannot be bothered.
It's educated faith ^_^

Educated by what?

What facts do you have, what do you know that leads you
to this faith?

Mutt 10-14-2003 10:59 AM

I seem to remember a free host a couple of years ago that had a nifty little tool that allowed webmasters to build limitless number of galleries using content they had licensed from several content providers - they believed because the content was hosted on their domain, one that was on a license, they had the right to let other webmasters 'borrow' it.

Turned out some of that content was Brad Shaw's .............. guess how long that gimmick lasted?

The reason this bullshit goes on and on is because the movie studios aren't Brad Shaw or Jeff Miller. They are for the most part naive and uneducated about how the adult Internet game is played and they have been abused on a grand scale.

LadyMischief 10-14-2003 11:00 AM

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Originally posted by Project-Shadow
It's not the fact that I cannot be bothered.
It's educated faith ^_^

Really... Then why do you think JM is taking the legal route? Shits and giggles? You figure all these companies who're going after AB for illegal use of their content are making it all up? heh. That's not educated, my dear, that's just plain stupid.

Mutt 10-14-2003 11:10 AM

and this 'mystery content provider' the guy from Digital Sin is alluding to - riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight - as if any court would accept that a company like AdultBouncer who lives and breathes the business of movies, a sophsticated enough business entity to have a thorough knowledge of a complex business such as the adult Internet, very successful - would be so naive that they wouldn't have the resources or sense to make ONE little phonecall to Digital Sin to check whether the guy licensing movies out of a virtual trunk of a car had the legal right to do so.

even an attorney fresh out of law school would have a field day in cross-examination.

LadyMischief 10-14-2003 11:10 AM

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Originally posted by Mutt
and this 'mystery content provider' the guy from Digital Sin is alluding to - riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight - as if any court would accept that a company like AdultBouncer who lives and breathes the business of movies, a sophsticated enough business entity to have a thorough knowledge of a complex business such as the adult Internet, very successful - would be so naive that they wouldn't have the resources or sense to make ONE little phonecall to Digital Sin to check whether the guy licensing movies out of a virtual trunk of a car had the legal right to do so.

even an attorney fresh out of law school would have a field day in cross-examination.

Exactly...

Project-Shadow 10-14-2003 12:14 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief


Really... Then why do you think JM is taking the legal route? Shits and giggles? You figure all these companies who're going after AB for illegal use of their content are making it all up? heh. That's not educated, my dear, that's just plain stupid.


Indeed :thumbsup

JulesJordan 10-14-2003 07:34 PM

Hey adultbouncer, go fuck yourself! you are ripping me off also, I'm with JM on this , Evil Angel has never licensed out our content, you can pull that shit on Red Light District all day long but not us.

Jules Jordan-Jules Jordan Video/Evil Angel

kidvegas123 10-14-2003 07:47 PM

A.K.A, Jeff Mike, A.K.A. Jeff Steward from JM Productions, not mentioning his real name, is a back stabbing schmuck, deserves everyone to steal from him, even though we all know he is just looking for attention to sell more shit. Violent videos like Gag Factor are not movies it is sick trash. Whats wrong Mike, sales down because it is getting close to Christmas and not many buying porn, or is it you fucked over too many people and now they are nailing you back? Time will tell what is in store for JM, you'll see..... Good Luck with your Infringement bull..


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