I don't think so.. Just because webmasters upload content does NOT MAKE IT LEGAL, in fact, that's even WORSE. There is NO SUCH THING AS PUBLIC DOMAIN CONTENT except in VERY SPECIFIC INSTANCES. First instance is if the content is produce by the GOVERNMENT. The second is if the copyright holder abandons all rights to the copyright, which is EXTREMELY RARE. If those two instances are not the case, then a LEGAL LICENSE IS REQUIRED TO USE THE CONTENT, period, or you are in violation of copyright law, and I don't care WHO you are. Ignorance is NOT acceptable in a court of law. You use something that someone doesn't have a license for, and even if they gave it to you, you are still liable on your own two feet. If they don't have a legal license with the producers or holders of the copyright, they are in violation. Period. There are no ifs, ands, or buts.

Mischief : 164268142 Hit me up wanna speak to you ^^

What support team??? I submitted a site that I had submitted earlier that you had approved years ago. I removed it because I wouldn't get an answer from your support team for MONTHS. I waited a YEAR or more and re-submitted the site which was LARGER and still got bs from you guys.

AB used to be cool. I remember when I first submitted a toon site there WERE NONE. Two months later an army of hentai sites sprang up and after that no one from AB support would answer jack squat.

In the old days we could count on the support to be fast, to the point and fucking great. Nowadays it's not worth the time.

Yes, most licenses have clauses that allow the licensor to revoke that license if their terms and conditions are not met or are violated. However, this is a further warning to those BUYING content, make sure the people you are buying from are LEGALLY INVESTED WITH THE RIGHTS TO SELL THE CONTENT. If they don't produce it, ask them who does. If they aren't legally entitled to sell the content, that also puts any 2257 information they have regarding said content into question as well. It's an EXTREMELY sticky situation to get yourself into.. Very unfortunate.

I will say this.

When Mutt was posting a link to HentaiVids.com awhile back you guys had over 9 DRAGONBALL Z movies in there.

Im sure Dragonball Z gave you a license to their movies.

But yeah the burden of proof is lacking, but we all know ;)

:1orglaugh

FYI,

This is being sorted out AND our contract strictly states we have licenses for 5 of JM productions titles.

We have taken the liberty to remove the content from our movie system until this is sorted out by our content supplier.

Nothing more i will say.

Ta ta.

Update on our licensing with JM Productions - The contract specifically states we have licensing for the 5 movies we put up.

Like normal things are taken out of context. Rob ha stated the facts, but bing the Quality Asurance man at AB I can tell youthat the bad apples are being weeded out. If webbies can't prove 2257 then they need to remove the content.

enough

To know more try being webbie at AB

Is your license specifically with JM? Or a secondary producer such as a content provider? That can be all the difference in the world :)

What do you mean? Are you saying people ARE uploading stuff for your use? This post is very unclear to me.

LOL I never said it was legal. I just said what was probably happening.

HI,

I've been with adultbouncer for 3 yrs, I allways see 1 or 2 post about ab using illegal content which is total BS. They do not offer anything but licence vids and illegal hentai sites are taken down.

Also, as you can see there are 3 lawyers on this thread and they all have different answers (all wrong). As rob said, it is being worked out.

and to all you people who dis AB, sounds like you had AB sites and couldnt make any money and are disgruntaled.

jay
:BangBang:

:helpme

you guys know there is one very simple easy way to stop what's going on - require your affiliate webmasters to produce a license for what they upload.

You won't do that because if you did that you'd say goodbye to most of your affiliates. You more than any individual AB webmaster affiliate gain the most from the infringements.
Your entire operation is built on it - ask the people who know the most - the surfers who join AB and DP in droves.

you guys had a great idea, you beat the big boys to it but you did it dirty and ass raped hundreds of movie producers and it continues.

I'm amazed people aren't asked for proof of license and asked right from the beginning.. That's a HUGE blow to content providers/producers if a program is encouraging a system that actively allows content theft.. Because if they aren't actively preventing it, they might as well be putting a stamp of approval on it. I have no experience with Adultbouncer myself, but if what you say here is the case, Mutt, I'm absolutely appauled.

I personally reviewed your site, and e-mailed you that your content area was not loading. Since then I have not heard back from you. If you want, fix the problem and resubmit, I would love to have you a part of the AB team. You do great work.

If anyone else has problems in my area, you can contact me at [email protected] and I will jump on it. Approvals in my area are now taking less than 24 hours! And with the on line support we offer your problems are solved in a mater of moments!

Where is my money?

and now that AB and DP have become so successful there are people putting up clone systems. Here's one somebody sent me a few weeks ago http://www.janswebring.com

Free movie content for anybody wants to become an affiliate. Where do the movies come from? Did anybody give them the right to transfer any rights to other webmasters? No no no no.

I know how much these scenes which are given away cost to produce - $2,500-5,000 per scene. That is what it would cost if a web company came to me or any other producer who wanted high quality hardcore movie scenes and wanted to give them out to affiliates to promote whatever site.

A DVD typically has 5 scenes on it - $20,000-25,000 budget. Now what do you call it when a fucking webmaster licenses that movie for $175 and gives it away like candy to anybody who will send traffic? ASS RAPE ASS RAPE ASS RAPE ASS RAPE ASS RAPE!!!

it is insane what has gone on. and please don't call any of the owners of these DVD movies liars - NONE of them were aware of any of this. They put their movies out for license in good faith.

I'm sorry, thats moronic. If you are liscensing your content, what did you think the buyer was going to do with it. he needs to get the maximum return on his investment. He is not giving it out to new ppl for separate pay sites. he is letting ppl build sites for his archive. Its not their archive. AB owns the archive, the affiliate is only preparing a personal members/tour area to sell membershipsto the AB site more efficiently.

Ofcourse uploading illegal content is a different matter. However this is about the Liscensed content.

That one is nothing compared to

http://avexpress.adultbouncer.com/html/eng_index.htm

Adultbouncer when will you deal with these guys?

The provided US made DVD's are probably all legit. We are given the same stuff at DP. It's the stuff like hentaivids that is blatently stolen that is a big issue.

Unless it's EXCLUSIVE content, most companies WILL NOT ALLOW movie or any other content to be given to affiliates.. WHy? because it REDUCES THE VALUE OF THE CONTENT! Period. This is why MOST licenses will NOT allow for this type of usage, and generally anyone must pay MUCH MORE for these type of licenses simply FOR this reason. Apparently, you aren't a producer who makes a living from providing content. It would be like having a movie from the theatres, but having one person handing copies out for free to everyone who walks by on the streetcorner. The person who made that movie doesn't know this has happened, they don't realize that EVERYBODY has already seen his movie. Therefore, they aren't going to go rent it, are they? Why? Because it's OVEREXPOSED. Is the person who made that movie going to EVER make his investment back to make another movie after that point? No. Abusing the content system is NO good for ANYONE. You think licenses AUTOMATICALLY allow for use of content for affiliates? Better go check your licenses, because most licenses will SPECIFICALLY PROHIBIT this use.

"What did you expect the buyer to do with it?" THAT statement is moronic. I expect a buyer to do EXACTLY what is laid out in the license with it, and if he wants more, he can damn well pay for it like all the OTHER honest users of content do.

YOU FUCKING COCK SMOKING THIEF! GET A FUCKING CLUE - NO SANE COPYRIGHT OWNER IS GOING TO ALLOW HIS VALUABLE CONTENT TO BE USED THAT WAY!

i'm sure you've never read a fucking web license in your life cuz you don't have two nickels to pay for one - IT'S EXACTLY THAT USAGE WHICH IS ADDRESSED IN A CLAUSE IN EVERY WEB LICENSE I HAVE EVER READ - to protect the content owner from exactly that CHARADE!

If AB or DP wants to GIVE AWAY content they can pay for the production of it like the hundreds of webmasters who do want to give affiliates free content to promote their sites.

AB and DP completely devalue the content they sub-license to cretons like you. Hell I have webmasters coming to me every week asking for price quotes on exclusive content because the DVD content they have PAID money for CAN'T convert because it's been so overexposed by the THOUSANDS of AB and DP webmasters like you who build these archives. MAKE NO MISTAKE ABOUT IT - it is NOT ADULTBOUNCER WHO OPERATE THOSE ARCHIVES - NICE FUCKING TRY - NONE OF THE AFFILIATE WEBMASTERS ARE EMPLOYED BY AB OR DP. And NOT ONE of you affiliates can produce a license with YOUR NAME on it.

This is the biggest charade ever on the adult Net.

Yea, guess I'm not a producer. Then again, why would I buy content that my affiliates cannot use. How the hell are you supposed to promote a site otherwise?

Expect little fairies to come and give me signups?

I'm no genius here on the matter, I host websites, dont make them... but it seems to be that if you cannot use the content for promotion it sort of forces you to pirate it then... Hense moronic

You dumbasses were getting ripped off by blacks on blondes a long time ago.... This isn't news. Cable ripped you, anabolic, redlight and jules jordan off and made millions off you.

Welcome to the internet

No, it forces you to pay for the use you are making of it.. Using being too fucking cheap to pay as an excuse to steal doesn't make much business sense.. ESPECIALLY when you can be sued for up to $100,000 PER INSTANCE OF INFRINGEMENT.... and so can your affiliates.. If you are violating a content license, you are nullifying the license, and therefore violating copyright. I think you SERIOUSLY need to make some money and talk to a lawyer. You are going to end up on the wrong end of Bubba with an attitude like that.

Now people understand why we went to offering photo ids and releases with all our content over a year and a half ago, if you can't prove its legal then don't sell it and surely don't buy it.

It's companies like adultbouncer that ruin the biz, hope they rot in hell ;)

Sure do, had a few hundred of my images but got sued by others way before I could egt to them hehehe;)

LadyMischeif,

We license our content through a third party.

Mutt,

You're as cluelass as they get, have have been and still are clueless. Grow a brain.

We've had licensing issues twice and they were dealth with. If we were filled with unlicensed content and our large third party didn't take the liberty to take liablity in issues like this then then we wouldn't be here today right?

You = :helpme

Lastly, we wouldn't spend thousands of dollars for content if we knew it was unlicensed. Again, you = clueless.

AdultWebGraphics,

What designs are you talking about? Hit me on up AIM because I have to knowledge of we owing someone for designs. "Robrob25" is my aim alias.

The rules of public domain are not jsut abandon it but it has to 50 years after the detah of the creator and it has to be no longer copyrighted by anyone after the creators death, public domain would cover things such as old ass music or something but you pretty much hit it on the head with abandonment;)


good job!!!

As I stated in another post, always buy from those who provide photo ids and/or releasesas well include a title18 text file for record keeping info and a webmaster license agreement. If you do not egt these files with your purchased content then you the webmaster take chances on copyright infringement as well as in msot areas are in violation (except the 10th district) of CR 75 of the the Title 18 law (secondary producer law).

Paying more is true, but as Mutt put it not sure about $5000, we are currently in a deal with an affiliate program to license them several photo sets and video sets to give to their affiliates and we are only charging double the cost of non exclusive price, meaning if a video set sells for $11.25 then we offer it with resell rights for $22.50 but the catch is the affiliate program has to buy at least $300-$1000 worth to get the deal at a time:)

What a bunch of assholes! Come on our board and threaten us with lawsuits?

I don't know anything about AdultBouncer.com. My site has 100% original content that I've created so I have nothing to fear from you. But having some lawfirm come in here and threaten our community on our turf is not a good move. You will not rally support for your cause.

Good way to get what you want from us. I'm sure people will be lining up to help you and will always keep a warm place in their heart for their first impression of J.M. Productions. I know I wont!

Another misleading concept is the fact that some webmasters purchase legal adult content which is the first step in being legal with your site(s) and then never return a webmaster license agreement...BAD NEWS!!!

Not sure all webmasters know this but just because you purcahse it doesn't make you 100% legal until you return the agreement stating your agree to the terms of the license.

I have since 1997 sold hundreds of thousands of photo sets and video sets and have yet to see half of those webmasters return a license agreement.

The #1 misconception is that content producers and providers don't have the time to sit and find each and every website that infringes on agreements or not legally purcahsing the content, but the thing the webmaster doesn't know most likely is that content providers watch out for each others stuff, when a content producer is searching the web for infringing sites (with alot of new technology software that helps us to do alot faster and more accurately) we send out an email, make a phone call or an instant message to another producer or a few when we find their content on someoens site, then that producer can look at their records to ensure the site owner is properly licensed.

Just keep in mind that if you have purchased content and did not return the license agreement as you should, you just might end up in court one day paying infringement fines, because buying it is not the last step of the process of being legal:(

I've never heard of Adultbouncer. If the above is true and they do steal our hard earned content then they deserve to be put out of business, go bankrupt and goto jail.

I don't like waking up in the morning and seeing a letter from what I assume is an attorney, on the first post of a handle, saying take content down or you can be named in a lawsuit.

I think there are much better ways to inform webmasters of a situation then the way this thread was started. :2 cents:

If you are spending thousands of dollars on content, why would you not ASSURE that the content you are purchasing is legal in every way? I have NO PROBLEM when someone asks me who the producer is, and if they check with that producer to make sure I have permission to resell their work. Why? Because it proves MY legitimacy... And not only that, it's just good business sense.. Perhaps you should consider a better "third party" for next time, because you're obviously getting a bum deal with content that isn't legal right now, and like I've said before, IGNORANCE of that fact does NOT indemnify you in the court. You are still infringing copyrights and can still be sued. I'm not ACCUSING you, I'm just stating how the law looks at it.

And even old music etc can still be liable for copyright, if the relatives/decendants, next of kin did NOT abondon the copyright.. They might not even know they own it, but legally, they still do. It's not unheard of for someone to realize later on that they actually DO own copyright and go after people for it later on :)

I believe that's a press release, my dear. It's not a threat, I'm quite sure they fully intend to go through with their litigation, and they are fully within their legal rights to do so. Wouldn't you rather be informed, if you actually were affected, then to find out by a knock on the door and being notified by a court? Better safe than sorry.

Yep... and giving ACCURATE INFORMATION on a content license is JUST as important.. A content license, just like any other license or legal agreement, is a LEGALLY BINDING DOCUMENT. Just like signing a lease agreement, or a mortgage agreement. It's not just more red tape.

As for finding content, you would be amazed how many times I have customers reporting theft of content to me, and I know if I'm surfing and I find one of our content sets, I always make sure to cross-reference it with our license database to ensure that it's properly licensed... When in doubt, I don't hesitate to email the person and ask them where they got the set (as we broker for a few producers who broker elsewhere as well). It is ALWAYS better safe than sorry, and protecting my livlihood isn't just important for me, but for all content producers and the industry in general. Some people tend to forget that without content producers/providers and content, there IS no industry.

To add to this statement.. if you are NOT ensuring that the content you are buying is legal, it also casts doubt on the legality/legitimacy of any title 18 information associated with that content. You are leaving yourself a gaping wound the size of a barn there, from a legal standpoint.

I agree ... I'd rather be informed but not with such a rude letter as the one started with this thread. And why on a first time poster account? Isn't J.M. Productions part of our community? Can't they post under their own account?

I have nothing against them, and if the bad stuff being said here about AdultBouncer is true then I hope J.M. wins. But I don't like getting an adversarial message from a company I don't know. I also don't like seeing people being threatened in our community in such a matter. You would think they could go about getting what they want from AdultBouncer users in a more positive approach other than "J.M. is seeking to contact webmasters and affiliates of AdultBouncer.com who may have acquired J.M. content for use on their websites. By immediately removing any and all J.M content and by contacting J.M. to provide assistance in the ongoing investigation of AdultBouncer.com, webmasters may avoid being named in J.M.?s upcoming lawsuit against AdultBouncer.com and its principals."

They don't even tell these people that if the cooperate and remove material they WILL NOT be named in litigation.. they don't even give them that guarantee. They say MAY avoid.

Anyway.. nuff said.. I need coffee... go about your business folks :thumbsup

Apparently you haven't done much research on who JM productions are.. They aren't really in our "community'". I suggest you go check into that before you tell them off. And I'm sorry to say, but even from the statements Adultbouncer themselves are making, seems to me like JM has a legitimate claim. I don't see how their press release was rude at all.. It was to the point, and they are giving webmasters the opportunity to make good. Legally, they don't HAVE to do that at ALL. In fact, if they were going to be dicks about it, they would have just sued everyone indiscriminately, and they would win, too.

And as for the MAY, well, they are within their legal rights to claim damages for any and all profits made from their materials.. If an affiliate of Adultbouncer made a large amount of profit from their material, JM is FULLY WITHIN THEIR LEGAL RIGHTS to seek damages against that webmaster. Period. It makes people unhappy. Litigation generally does that.