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Old 10-11-2003, 01:15 AM   #1
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FightThisPatent.com - OFF TOPIC "FAIR USE" QUESTION

Brandon you strike me as knowledgeable about many "industry" issues.

I would like to hear your thoughts about "fair use" with regards to my magazine SexEducation.com.

First a little background ...
SexEducation.com has always been a magazine or "forum" of discussion where anyone can make contributions and "critique" responses etc etc ...

Then I got into a battle with LadyMischief and Fluid (aka: whatever handle of the day) ...

and they argued "well" and we "battled" and I claimed freedom of speech (a newbie yes) etc etc ..

Then LadyMischief posted some links to "fair use" and I read them - and I could see some for her issues ...

so I deleted all the graphics from the website until I could sort things out ... still haven't ...

I want the website to show how stupid I was in the beggining and my initial male sexual prejudices before I began studying up on issues ... it is from the "whole" of the website ... that the global standard of what everyone should know before having partner sex has emerged (the tour - the first 7 pages)
(shows expansion of human knowledge)


My questions are ...
A magazine that critiques the entire "sexual knowledge" of the internet can it quote ANY graphics ANYWHERE to explain whatever particular concept is being explained ? ...

And if I need a picture of a "vagina" lets say to label for anatomy, because basically any would do - can I use any under "fair use"?

OR

Can I only use "fair use" when the graphics is so rare it is doubtful I would find another within 5 years of searching?


So to reiterate my question ... can I use "fair use" when any old graphic would suffice OR only when the graphic is so rare - I wouldn't even know how or where to purchase it?

If you have time ...
your opinion would be highly appreciated and respected.

Thanx in advance Brandon.
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Brandon doesn't need "crayon" drawings to make a post.
He does it the old fashioned way - using intelligence.
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Anyone else have any thoughts?

I have been searching for graphics all over the place.
I found some on Vivid, on AMAContent, some pregnancy shots by JoviGirl, and some techniques stuff be Sobe, and others places ...

last night I bumped into PamPhage which has a couple graphics I need ....

Here's the rub ...
help solve this and I will no longer be posting as much on GFY ...
roflmao (that should entice a few) ...
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Headless you were asked by other members of this board to put me on some talk show of yours ...
GFI - (not GFY) ...
Go For It !
I accept - any topic.
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Headless you were asked by other members of this board to put me on some talk show of yours ...
GFI - (not GFY) ...
Go For It !
I accept - any topic.
And I have declined each and every time.
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And I have declined each and every time.
Sorry bud ...
never read your "declined" [sniff sniff - lol]

I'd thought you would like to have an interview about this "CP" or "PEDO" or "MURDERER" shit?

As the other members of this board said - "It would be fun".

I agree - it would be fun.
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- "It would be fun".
Do you know why they think it would be fun?
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Do you know why they think it would be fun?
I know why I think it would be fun.
Do you know why I think it would be fun?
brb - damn dog barking [2 minutes max]
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First you have to qualify as a magazine etc and then even if you do... the photo owner can pop your butt for using their property withOUT their written consent.

How many times does this have to be explained to you? Now go 'way.

We are NOT magazine writers. We are NOT 'bloggers' and none of us even LIKE you. So did AEBN allow you to pilfer from their 'educational' video section yet? lmao
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I know why I think it would be fun.
Do you know why I think it would be fun?
brb - damn dog barking [2 minutes max]
I do not care why you think it would be fun. Answer the question dipshit.
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First you have to qualify as a magazine etc and then even if you do... the photo owner can pop your butt for using their property withOUT their written consent.

How many times does this have to be explained to you? Now go 'way.

We are NOT magazine writers. We are NOT 'bloggers' and none of us even LIKE you. So did AEBN allow you to pilfer from their 'educational' video section yet? lmao
I've never seen an educational video I have liked yet.

AEBN has a unique licensing agreement with their suppliers. As such their AUP of what they can do is limited by that unique relationship with their "content" suppliers.

In talking to my AEBN representative it was explained to - BECAUSE I ASKED - that their licensing arangement did not allow for affiliates to "screen capture" what the wanted REGARDLESS of whether the graphic of that screen capture LINKED DIRECTLY to the AEBN purchase of the viewing of that film.

I have informally requested AEBN (they are waiting on a response from me - for further action) to create a custom "sex education) cinema - and fully intend to promote their services in the future WITHOUT making some of the mistakes I have in the past - like I did with LegendaryLars.com and Hustler.com.
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Headie you know this guy makes Daffy Duck look like a Harvard Grad. Give it up. He's the epitomy of a white man speaking with a forked tongue. lol
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Headie you know this guy makes Daffy Duck look like a Harvard Grad. Give it up. He's the epitomy of a white man speaking with a forked tongue. lol
Oh i know darlin... That why I originally posted the troll hunter pic.

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I do not care why you think it would be fun. Answer the question dipshit.
NO .. I do not.
Nor do I care.
I only care that my current campaign gets attention.

<h3>Have you submitted your monthly sales report to Acacia yet?</h3>
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I do not care why you think it would be fun. Answer the question dipshit.
I will always answer any question to the best of my ability.
If I do not - because - guess what some threads I am in get "side tracked" ...just repost the question without curse words.
I guarantee an answer - everytime.
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So why do they want me on this fucking show of yours?
Headless - you there?
What's the answer?
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Have you ever heard of a LAWYER?
I can't afford a lawyer.
Lawyers do what you tell them to do - they are employees!

First I need to tell them what I wish to do ...
then they do what I say ...

It's getting a handle on the situation I'm having a problem with.

What do you think is the answer to the topic of this thread?

any "old graphic" - or just - the "rare ones" ??
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They????? Who ARE they???? Why don't they post HERE in support of you being on the show. And I don't mean lilRich having a multiple personality attack. lol


I think I'll do a cooking website for educational purposes and just for grins, add some pages on parasailing and porn with full graphics while I'm at it. I'll call it a magazine!

Hmmm sex while parasailing? Sex on a riding lawnmower! THAT mix works!! About as much as a purported sex ed mag with PORN ads. It doesn't have ANY credence mixing those two subjects.

I can JUST imagine what a school districts view on the health teacher bringing a good ol porn rag in to show the kiddies what is what. The teacher would be in jail soooo fast their head would spin.

Can we say 'Dumb*ss"?
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They????? Who ARE they???? Why don't they post HERE in support of you being on the show. And I don't mean lilRich having a multiple personality attack. lol


I think I'll do a cooking website for educational purposes and just for grins, add some pages on parasailing and porn with full graphics while I'm at it. I'll call it a magazine!

Hmmm sex while parasailing? Sex on a riding lawnmower! THAT mix works!! About as much as a purported sex ed mag with PORN ads. It doesn't have ANY credence mixing those two subjects.

I can JUST imagine what a school districts view on the health teacher bringing a good ol porn rag in to show the kiddies what is what. The teacher would be in jail soooo fast their head would spin.

Can we say 'Dumb*ss"?
SexEducation.COM is an adult only magazine - hello??
hello?


SexEducation.ORG is up for discussion.

SexEducation.TV will present AEBN content.
IF - IF - IF I like their customized version they OFFER ALL - ALL - ALL - ALL - ADULT WEBMASTERS

SexEducation.NET will become a Webmaster Resources site ..

#1) No aroused genitals or reproductive fluids on your homepage.
#2) Site must be rated with ICRA.org
... the rest the GFY chatroom will decide.
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Who is on staff that qualifies as a knowledgable sexual educator? Certainly not you. Its not a magazine without a qualified staffer even in Canada I bet. So NO fair use for you! You don't even have a web designer. lol

Whether kiddies or the timid people who would believe the nonsense you 'report' matters not. They won't come back if there are porn ads all over the place. Neither of them are the type of person wanting exposed to that. Well the kids would probably.

So catch 22 eh? You SAY you only want adults yet will run them off...

Remember the old saying "If you have to ASK"... You can't afford it? Same applies to sex... If you need to go to a realllllly poor looking site, NO educated reports, no qualified psyche to talk to, nothing but spew and drivel,

You can get the same from ANY yahoo chatroom and the pages are even designed halfway decent! Spew and inane drivel are those chatrooms specialities WITH porn ads piped in!
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Who is on staff that qualifies as a knowledgable sexual educator?
Who the fuck says my website educates?
I invoke intercouse - that is my only job.


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Certainly not you. Its not a magazine without a qualified staffer even in Canada I bet. So NO fair use for you! You don't even have a web designer. lol

Whether kiddies or the timid people who would believe the nonsense you 'report' matters not. They won't come back if there are porn ads all over the place. Neither of them are the type of person wanting exposed to that. Well the kids would probably.

So catch 22 eh? You SAY you only want adults yet will run them off...

Remember the old saying "If you have to ASK"... You can't afford it? Same applies to sex... If you need to go to a realllllly poor looking site, NO educated reports, no qualified psyche to talk to, nothing but spew and drivel,

You can get the same from ANY yahoo chatroom and the pages are even designed halfway decent! Spew and inane drivel are those chatrooms specialities WITH porn ads piped in!
Who the fuck says my website educates?
I invoke intercouse - that is my only job.
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So to reiterate my question ... can I use "fair use" when any old graphic would suffice OR only when the graphic is so rare - I wouldn't even know how or where to purchase it?


Images are copyright to the person or company that produced the picture.

Just because you find an image like on google's image search or on some website, doesn't mean you can just grab it and use..

You would be breaking copyright law in my opinion.

some images are able to be used as "fair use"...and if people sent you some links, read through to see if your situation qualifies, and most importantly consult with an attorney.

If you consider yourself a "magazine", even more reason to be checking with a copyright attorney. There is no "freedom of speech" with images in using someone else's copyrighted work.

I believe the "fair use" comes into play with public figures, using images in works of news/satire, etc..

While I am no attorney, i do and have an opinion much like everyone on here. If you wanted to seek it specifically, use email next time, rather than calling me out on a board and using my domain name to draw attention.


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I have been searching for graphics all over the place.
I found some on Vivid, on AMAContent, some pregnancy shots by JoviGirl, and some techniques stuff be Sobe, and others places ...

Here's the solution:

Those are all content providers that sell images. So just buy the images you need. If they aren't selling them by the image on their website, email them and ask if they will.

Problem solved.
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What the fuck is "with" you putting inverted "commas" around "seemingly" totally "random" words? Were you "dropped" as a "child" repeatedly? "You" "Fucking" "Idiot."
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SexEducation.COM is an adult only magazine - hello??
hello?


SexEducation.ORG is up for discussion.

SexEducation.TV will present AEBN content.
IF - IF - IF I like their customized version they OFFER ALL - ALL - ALL - ALL - ADULT WEBMASTERS

SexEducation.NET will become a Webmaster Resources site ..

#1) No aroused genitals or reproductive fluids on your homepage.
#2) Site must be rated with ICRA.org
... the rest the GFY chatroom will decide.

If it's an adult only magazine, WHY ARE YOU ADVERTISING IT ON A FORUM THAT CATERS TO CHILDREN? www.horseforums.com It should NOT BE THERE IF IT'S FOR ADULTS, you lying dolt.
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Just so you can't tell me ONCE AGAIN that I'm full of shit.. here's a reminder.

Even his choice of font is eery. It's a very childish looking font. Maybe i'm just reading too much into it, but it seems very targetted.
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Even his choice of font is eery. It's a very childish looking font. Maybe i'm just reading too much into it, but it seems very targetted.
Yep.. and he has it set up so that banner OPENS sexeducation.com IN A FRAME OF HORSEFORUMS. They don't even have to leave the site to get access to his lovely "adults only" site, that in fact doesn't have any kind of age verification.. Go through his "tour" and type in your age at the end.. in fact, put in 12, and see what happens :P
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Images are copyright to the person or company that produced the picture.

Just because you find an image like on google's image search or on some website, doesn't mean you can just grab it and use..

You would be breaking copyright law in my opinion.

some images are able to be used as "fair use"...and if people sent you some links, read through to see if your situation qualifies, and most importantly consult with an attorney.

If you consider yourself a "magazine", even more reason to be checking with a copyright attorney. There is no "freedom of speech" with images in using someone else's copyrighted work.

I believe the "fair use" comes into play with public figures, using images in works of news/satire, etc..

While I am no attorney, i do and have an opinion much like everyone on here. If you wanted to seek it specifically, use email next time, rather than calling me out on a board and using my domain name to draw attention.


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Yes - "calling you out" on GFY was wrong.
That was a mistake I appologized for in my ICQ telling you I had done this BEFORE asking you privately on ICQ.

I'm sorry ...
I like the work that you have been doing with regards to all these stupid friggin patents that the "patent office" issued before they understood the information age.

It is my intention to continue to "push buttons" with statements like "have you filled out your monthly sales report" and "what exactly does Acacia want me to tell them about my business" ...

I think I have been helpfull in getting attention to the issue.

I fully intend to continue to do "double takes" and "use" my domain name to bring attention to the issues.

That's all I can donate ... my time ...

Personally - I think this "have you submitted your monthly sales report" - worked ...it's getting attention..

Sorry again ...
I will never "call you out" again ... it was a blogging mistake ...
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