I got into gay sites to make $, period. I got into this business for one reason, to make $. I think I have done a decent job, of course I am hard on myself and feel I could have always done better. As Greg pointed out, I would be happy to compare bank balances/new wealth, you could even keep yours in Candian dollars;-) Call it a spread.

I have always tried to take things from people who are more sucessful than me $. Sleazy, I can not take anything from you, preach all you want.

Hehe I would like to see Brad and Scott compare bank balances. I think the interesting point would be what is PAID for and what is OWEING.

DH

Brad - You know that the shit with the Michigan AG was bogus. She was looking for ammo for her campaign and as soon as she was assured she was going to win she dropped it because she knew she did not have a case.
You love to keep bringing it up but the fact is there was no case. If the Texas AG started an investigation into your being an asshole would that make it true? oh wait.. I digress..
The fact is Steve doesn't want to go anywhere near underage girls. He likes his girls to be 18. Not 17 or 19, but 18. 18 is legal and if you don't like it then tough. Different strokes for different folks. As long as it is legal, who gives a care.
Agree that you guys disagree and get over it. Why not go after the scumbags who actually cross the line rather than someone who is as clean as a pornographer can get.
We all deal with porn. We have fresh 18 year old girls. You have girls who look like pornstars. You sell lots of hardcore. We focus on softcore. To some impartial outsiders we may look cleaner than you.
This is like the Mini-wheat commercial. The frosted side says he is the best and the shredded wheat side says he is the best but they can't see that they are the same until they are being chewed to pieces in someone's mouth.
I'm sure you will keep flaming away at Steve because you obviously get your jollies from it. I know several people that have reduced or stopped traffic to you because they have come to realize you are an asshole and you revel in your assholiness. Keep flaming away, it only makes Steve look that much better.

Oh, as much as I hate to side with you Brad..
Sooners are going to kick Texas' ass! Longhorns are going down!
:BangBang:

bullshit - there's a million ways to make money. Esp with a smart guy capable of such knockoff sites as yours. you could copy anything to make money, you copy what you like. people do what they are diven to do by underlying psychological desires.

"Put the age at 21 years old. Atleast they have more between the ears. They may look young, but atleast they are more prepared. "


I have to agree with that most 18 yr old models are a little immature for the most part . So I try to make it a point to shoot no one under 21. I have been in Adult entertainment from strip bars to jack shacks to the web a total of 20 years. It was very very rare to find a 18 yr old model with her shit together. Usually they come from a fucked up home , have been sexually molested by a family friend or family member. Maybe throw in some drug use and living on their own since 16. I have shot two younger models one 18 and one 19 they were both High school drop outs. For the most part, girls from good families ,with a strong support structure dont become porn models.

I think most of us if the said 18 yr old was our daughter or sister or cousin or someone we cared about. We wouldnt be too happy with their choice. Kimmy I dont know if you have kids but if your 18 yr old daughter said Mom I am going to be a porn model. I highly doubt you would give your seal of approval. Saying the laws says she is old enough so its fine with me.

I dont know Steve or Brad but I have a certain amount of respect for people that run successful businesses. It really doesnt matter what any of us thinks. A girl has little to no makeup, her hair in pig tails looks young, we can say thats the 18 yrs old look and I agree 18 yrs olds do go to HS. The problem is not us , the problem is when your facing a jury in Iowa and they show these photographs to the jury. The question you have to ask yourself and this is for everybody, when the Feds Attorney is saying these girls were photgraphed to represent younger girls(and younger is 17 or younger in reality).Is the jury going to believe you or your photographs?

Steve is a pedo. I am in my early 20's and feel odd hanging out with girls younger than me. Steve is an old man, and delights himself hanging out with teen girls. How sad considering he has a wife I would fuck her brains out in real life...hope she is a MILF! hope she knows her husband is a pedoooooo! :1orglaugh

I have my net worth statement on my computer, updated through sept 30. Takes into account all debts, all monies and investments. A smart person does not go through life paying cash for everything ( I used to). In fact, I have my monies working for me in the market and various other investment vechiles, up about 20% this year. (not taking into account real estate) Paying an average of 4% on my mortage, you do the math.

This may be because the girls younger than you are laughing at you.
I can see why that would make you feel odd.

I was in college, I put up a site, made $10 a day. I saw potential. I ran with it. I will ride it for all its worth, then look for something else to knock off.

it would be foolish to think you're the only person cable of or doing leaveraged investments.......


but most long term sucessful people I know have one thing in common. They own their house cause they don't NEED to leaverage it (andhave no desire to leaverage it either) and they buy all kinds of toys but toys are ALWAYS paid for with cash - never loans.

if the market turns - and it always does - then you keep your home and your toys.

if your home and toys are leaveraged - and the market turns - you're fucked.

yeah but remember that first gay site - $10 wasn't a monetary motivating factor. There was another reason behind it, and it's a desire to be involved in gay sites. the money came after, the love came first.

Sleazy, it is about being diversified. I have a very good financial advisor, who I speak with almost daily. I do not claim to know everything, thus I hire good people. One of my keys to success is hiring good people. Greg has made me millions.

Sleazy, as much as we go back and forth. I would bet if/when we meet we would get along. That is scary. Very few people I have butted heads with on chat boards that I did not get along well with in person. Opinions are like assholes, we each have them......

once again it would be foolish to think you're the only person who is diversified in their investments.


leaveraged, diversified, - want some other big terms? how about creditor proofing, asset allocation, differed tax growth, etc.

at a simple glance without knowing any real details i'd say if your advisors believe that leaveraging the equity in your home your risk tolerance on your personal equity portfolio is either EXTREMELY ( and psycho excessibly) high or your advisors are simply gouging your for investment fees and trying to get their hands on every penny they can without regard for your own personal safty net.

And if you are really lucky you have more than one! :1orglaugh

I'm going to bed soon- don't be dreaming about my mushy ass too much brad.

Well, have we decided who has the BIGGER dick?

Usually it is the vocal, louder guys that have the SMALLEST dick, they have to compensate some how.

I guess we do have a winner then.........

With such intelligent people making such intelligent comments as yourself, I can see why Steve sees no need to personally defend himself! Surround yourself with idiots!

Are you offering an inspection, cause I'd LOVE to have you do a personal inspection of mine...............

Remind me to hire that guy...

Sleazy, that is a private thread........lol

xo

As for Brad's comment, from the looks of this thread, Steve has a lot of friends, enough said!

Boobiebucks came from Shok's deep desire to have boobies of his own.... wait.. he does have boobies :)

BTW I totally think you guys would like each other alot. Sleazy and Brad

Apples and fucking oranges, man. What point are you trying to prove? At 18 it doesn't *matter* what the parents think, the girls are legally adults. If its such a bad job, why do you work in the industry? Thats like saying that smoking crack is bad, when you're the one peddling it on the street corner.
You are a hypocrite.

What the fuck it wrong with having a small dicks????

Damn dude... who the fuck cares? Somehow "money" makes you important? haha! How old are you man? I mean really... 20 21? That is just so weak.

word :thumbsup

I have no one to answer to, no boss, so this has only to do with integrity. I wanted to stay out of it, but I just have to speak my mind also. After all that's what these boards are for.
Steve has asked me do do shoots for him on several occasions, and while I recruite local girls here in Phoenix for my own work, I respect Steve's Photography and oblige when ever possible. I never realized the implications of an over stuffed teddy bear, hell my girl friend has one and she's well into her 30s. I was even told no oversized lollypops or props that may represent underage girls. I laughed about it then, but trusted his judgement, and now I know why. Ya, Steve likes girls to look young, it's a niche. Get over it. If he wasn't shooting College age girls someone else would, only he's doing it better.
As for this whole thing about "if it was your daughter" Good Lord! If it was my daughter, she'd do it with or with out my blessing, as most of these girls are. Only I'd let her, and I'd introduce her to Steve. I'd trust him to shoot her tastefully, not try to jump her when no one's looking, or with some random cock in her ass. The girls have fun, and that's why the keep coming back. You give respect, you get it. You try to fuck'm, they'll fuck you!
Nough said, Hey Rochard, Tanker call me. Brad, I'll lookforward to meeting you. Peace out and Kewl Beans

lol

Brad do some drugs, smoke some pot, live a little :)

than copy this reality site, you'll make millions :)
http://beaverbong.com/page_997.htm

:1orglaugh

Brad, do some E, get some hungs, feel the love :)
make more money, live happier ever after :thumbsup

What a hungs? :winkwink:

plural for HUNG ?? :1orglaugh

and you ???? You forgot about you !! Must be because you have your head so far up Brad Shaws ass that you forgot !
NOW I think this covers it.........:2 cents:

What B.S.!
When I met Steve for the first time, he had no idea what I do for a living just as most of you don't either. So it wouldn't have mattered to him how he answered this question. I asked him how he got into the business. Steve told me point blank, "I love taking pictures, and what better than naked women." No Shit Steve. The girls love Steve to death, he does his damnedest to not only make them happy, but his employees, and the member base. Not once have I seen him approach or grope a girl, so where would the sexual pervions be? The fact that he looks at them through a camera lense? Hell in this industry, is there really any such thing as "sexual peversion" Or is that just personal opinion?

Hi Kimmy!!!

HAHA

Slavik, E destroys your brain. I recall watching a story about it on Oprah one day. Was sitting on the couch in a big ass suite with Pornoman/Chris when it came on. Scary shit. I have enough issues, last thing I need is less brain!

:2 cents: This industry is under fire. We flinch and scramble each time Visa implements a new rule geared to the adult businesses. We watch as more and more of our freedoms are taken away. So why is it that the flags are raised and the fingers pointed, from within? If fingers have to be pointed, why not point them at the ones that are *not* abiding by the laws? I get so sick of watching this company tear that company to shreds knowing the whole time it is going to somehow come back to bite all of us in the ass.
:::sigh:::

Zebra, let's go have a beer and discuss frosted mini wheats

I understand EVERYTHING in this thread except one thing:
WHY Steve Jones NEEDS defense, in your opinion?

Help me Rick Latona.
;-))

Let me enlighten you then tony. I do have a kid. Luckily not a girl (I must have been living right somewhere along the line for that I'll admit) but I wouldn't want my 18 year old being a porn star, a used car salesman, a burger flipper or a drug dealer. And it won't be that many more years til my son IS 18.

However at the end of the day, 18 is 18, in the eyes of the law. Children, young adults, whatever you want to call them, once they hit 18 there's nothing you can do to control them and you can only hope that they've learned enough along the way to make the right choices.

You'd like to share your child rearing philosophies now with the class? I'm sure you can tell us how yours are doing.