You say yourself America won't allow unconstitutional changes to slip through because will fight them. Who do you think the people fighting them are?

Yes the law says they could be punished now... however, the government often sides with law enforcement already. How many times were charges NOT brought up against police officers that violated people's rights? How many times have police officers already been found not guilty of killing unarmed citizens? How many times WAY before 9/11 and the Patriot Act has this already occurred? Again, this is NOT new. Gross injustices ALREADY exist... but I guess they do not become a threat until they may affect you personally.

- Guantanamo camp ....

Anyone that takes action against what they feel is wrong. I do not mean violence, but America allows you to voice your opinions. You can take your objections to Congress or more simply use your voting power. Voting for local politicians is just as important as any other. They are the ones that are more likely to affect your everyday life, as many laws are within your jurisdiction and not just federal.

Wow you are in seeing distance of this? Amazing... Still would be incomparable to nazi soldiers marching up and down your streets and hauling you off to a concentration camp. I have yet to see any innocent American or non-American subjected to this level of torture, that some paranoid people want us to fear.

And there's groups of people that believe driving an SUV is funding terrorism. Your point would be? Moot. There's people that associate EVERYTHING and ANYTHING with terrorism. It does not make it right or constitutional or for that matter, the law. Are they going to start harvesting Playboy readers and SUV drivers by the dozens and bring terrorist charges up on them? I think not. Like I said before, the government does not have the time, money or horsepower to take every minor incident a federal indictment. Meaningless, ancient and unimportant laws like this ALREADY exist. This is NOTHING new. In some states you could be arrested, fined and do jail time for having sex with socks on. Again, these laws only become a fear when they threaten some people personally. If you are not aware of the goverment's ability to turn anything into an illegal action, you have missed the past 200+ years of history.

This guy lived blocks from me.

Sentenced for one year in prison for having bomb making info on his website.

The SAME info can be bought on Amazon dot com, as well as numerous books written by the EX-united states military.

http://www.raisethefist.com/sherman.html

Why always "Americans" ??? In nazi Germany, it was jews that were taken to camp, even though they were German.

In the US now, has any "American" of muslim faith been detained without access to legal counsel ???

But your basic point is that, aside of doing it to Americans, it is OK to rape civil liberties and international laws...

You are pathetic and a coward.

People like you weaken democracy.

Other people in this thread have the drive to actually fight for what they believe in.

All you do is ramble on about shit.

<b>You don't even vote.</b>

I doubt you're involved in politics on any level.

You really are a pathetic fool, and are truly impotent since you don't even have the conviction to act by voting.

Now don't you have search engines to spam?

I would enter this thread big time...but you are doing a fabulous job...and I don't have the time to do so this morning. No one has layed a glove on you yet...and I doubt that anyone that has posted thus far has the ability to do so. :thumbsup :thumbsup

You have a lot to learn about bating people still, youngster. Keep reading my posts and learn.

What a pathetic attempt to try to score some snatch. You 2 should hook up though, you both can place each other under surveillance during the times you're not licking each others asses.

FYI...because of my disability I do not engage in sexual intercourse anymore. BTW...:321GFY

Didnt daddy teach you not to stick your cock in the holes in the walls of adult book stores?

Actually, I read the act itself.. the articles were to simplify it for those who might not be willing to take that amount of time... But,whatever :P

FYI...I was injured in the 1st Gulf War...and furthermore...

You are dismissed.

No actually, I think that's wrong all around.. This will just make it easier for law enforcement do to it, and they won't even NEED an excuse... Dear, I give you credit for being smart most of the time. Instead of arguing so hard with me, go read the act yourself. Ok?

Here you go.
http://www.epic.org/privacy/terrorism/hr3162.html

I said non-Americans too :winkwink:

Yes muslims have been detained on suspicion... so have whites, blacks, asians, jews, hindus, baptists, catholics, atheists, purple polka dotted aliens... all through history, some people of every origin have have been held in connection with terrorism, suspicion, association and have received inadequate and/or misrepresented cousel. It's been this way all throughout history. To reiterate, this is nothing new. Injustices and wrongful imprisonment are one of the many flaws our nation and other countries deal with daily.

Thank you :thumbsup I always enjoy reading your posts. It's nice to have company in the GFY political minority :1orglaugh

and they call it neocon love.

:1orglaugh

Why is it, that when someone agrees with me, they are an ass licker... but when someone agrees with an anti-Bush supporter, they are "right" ? I love double standards, they are so cute :)

Just what exactly are you "furious" about?

Furious_Fuhrer

Its called logic, you should try using it sometime.

I'm not trying to say what you posted is invalid or untrue sweetie :) I'm just saying, it is not set in stone and to fear things that are most likely not to float and/or take them so literally, is mainly paranoia and there is no need to fan an inferno that is already raring.

People would love to believe that American law enforcement has always needed an excuse to take action against suspicious behavior, but the fact remains, rights have been violated through wrongful searches, seizures, questioning etc since the dawn of America's time. I guarantee, just about ANYTHING you would consider a violation of rights, can be justified by a good defense attorney and/or by the current laws we already have. It's just how the system works... right or wrong, it has always been like this. It's no surprise to me... I am not sure why others are acting so shocked. Perhaps because what was formerly kept low profile, hush hush... is now out in the open?

I don't feel my freedom is being compromised. I am just as concerned about this, as I always have been. An injustice could happen to me at any time... I have seen them happen to my family and friends long before the Patriot Act. I am familiar with knowing how truth and laws can be bent and twisted. I am also comfortable with trusting my country. I choose not to live in fear.

I ended up with this handle when I was pissed about my sales lol

blah blah blah... come up with something different to say about me. I use plenty of logic... you should try spitting out a complete paragraph once in awhile... your lame one liners are stale. The truth is, your animosity towards me, is because you know my intelligence supersedes yours by a light-year.

Well...I do not think that we are of the same political persuasion. I am not a Republican nor a conservative. My political persuasion is that of a moderate with liberal leanings...for the most part...but there are some conservative viewpoints that I do agree with...and one of those is their...usually strong...position on defense...the military and military R & D.

I agree with the position that you have taken about the Patriot Act 1 & 2...and the arguements that you have presented (I have presented some of the same arguements when the subject has come up many times before this). For the most part you are dead on target.

Actually my animosity towards you is due to your ignorance mixed with your know it all attitude. The reality is you are highly uninformed and I suspect uneducated. Your posts are nothing more than a feeble attempt to be an Anne Coulter wanne be, and a poor one at that.

Is this an example of your wonderful intelligence level?

Surprised noone has argued against this. Well, maybe not surprised because noone has an argument against this. You have the right to political dissent, and the right to bear arms. The second amendmant was created solely to defend the people against an unfair government but but this case PROVES that there is no second amendmant anymore. He wasn't arrested for bomb making instructions, or political dissent, but the combination of the two.

Without political dissent what's the purpose of the second amendmant?

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This is where your ignorance shines through. I am not an Anne Coulter wanna be, I have nothing against her but I certainly have no interest in being like her or following her gospel. I am my own person. Acquiring information from a source or many sources does NOT make you educated or informed if it is not accurate, unbiased or false. I can write 1000 articles and publish them all over the net, people could read them.. does that make people educated and informed? Just because you take in knowledge, doesn't mean it is absolute truth and you must believe in it. I have an open mind... I have the ability to hear both sides of the story or many versions of the story and form my OWN opinions and follow my own beliefs. Why should I conform to things I do not believe in? Whether they are right or wrong, I am entitled to MY opinions. Just because I lean towards conservatism, doesn't make me a radical republican. I defend what I believe in, nothing more, nothing less. The same way, I suspect you do. However, the difference between you and me is, when you have nothing potent enough to respond with, you stoop to playground name calling.

You seem quite bitter towards women or just bitter in general... I'm sure you have deeper issues than just not agreeing with my opinions. :(

I just wanted to say .. I like all you crazy fucks - even Directfiesta! ;-)

:GFYBand

It's the entire thing as a whole that really worries me altogether.. If you read it, you understand where I get my fears.. People just don't take this kind of thing seriously enough, and that's how it slips throught he cracks.. Next thing you know it's body cavity searches all around :)

Well I know I've been trying to argue my point without calling anyone a retard :P That's the most challgening part of all! :P

I am not sure what you mean by slipping through the cracks. There are 535 elected members of Congress (representives of the people) that say yea or nay to the passage of laws. There all of the Federal District Courts...with all of the Federal Judges that decide the legality of a law...or parts there of...with the Supreme Court being the final arbirter of the legality/constitutionality of a law...or parts there of. A judge is, and has been, defying the Attorney General in the so called "20th hijacker" case. Laws are passed but this country has safe gaurds against abuse of a Law. Does this mean that individuals are always treated justly under law...no...but this was the case prior to 9/11...and will be the case for the foreseeable future...this is what falls through the cracks.

^ what he said :)

Aww... <s>grope</s> group hug time? :1orglaugh

All it takes is ONE good tragedy and people will sign anything to keep themselves "safe", even if the cure is far worse than the problem. How do you think the FIRST one went through?