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Clovis 10-06-2003 06:58 PM

Every day the Bush Administration reveals a new layer of ignorance, greed and evil that are quickly becoming a true test of the strength of our democracy. I intend to do my part so we can deliver him and his cronies a resounding defeat in the upcoming election.

theking 10-06-2003 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief


It's still scary..

Only to those that have a reason to be scared.

jollyperv 10-06-2003 07:12 PM

Time for a revolution and a coup.

wonton 10-06-2003 07:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin


No. Partiot Act II hasn't come up yet. Think about why the Patriot Act passed the Senate so overwhelmingly. Now look at how there is a reaction back against it and certain parts of it are being challenged in the courts and being nullified in Congress. This is the exact same pattern that has happened about a dozen times in US History. (Alien and Sedition Act, Suspension of Habeas Corpus, McCaran Act, McCarthyism, and more). All the elements are the same.

Unless there is another major perceived threat to the US (i.e. major terrorist attack) Patriot Act II will be dead in the water.

Cavalry can't stay. Going to watch football. See ya.

Major "foreign" terrorist attack to occur within 36 months by Wonton's prediction. Like the 9-11 attack, it will be determined months after the attack that the alleged perpetrators were:

- Granted entry Visas despite being on the terrorist watch list
- Spotted early by "good" agents of the FBI and/or CIA who alerted HQ but were ignored by their superiors
- Trained at bases originally set up by the CIA and now under proxy administration by Pakistan's ISI (an underling of the CIA)
- Gained further training within the US at US military bases
- Were funded indirectly by the Saudi Bin Laden Group and the Bush-owned Carlyle Group


Like 9-11, Wonton predicts that the following will also occur:

- The White House will be given dozens of precise warnings from the intelligence services of other nations about the impendintg attack but will ignore all
- The day preceeding the attack, high ranking military and government officials will be warned not to travel
- The day preceeding the attack, FEMA personel will already be present and installed in the target cities
- All US military bases, fighter squadrons and air defences will be ordered to "stand down" less than 24 hours prior to the attack.
- On the day of the attack all SOPs (standard operating procedures) for all first-responder military units will be ignored and no military units will intercept the attackers in time

In the days following the attack, all sections of Patriot Act I, previously repealed, will be restored. Patriot Act I will be passed with overwhelming majority. Martial law will be declared in the target cities and the governments new emergency powers granted in 2001 and 2002 will be put into effect for a minimum of 90 days. But don't worry. Martial law will be lifted within six months. It is only after the third major terror attack that facism will become permanent.

Wonton, based on extensive research of information in the public domain, is 99% certain he knows the general outlines of the type of attack and the locations but to say anymore would be foolhardy. But it's not too hard to determine what will occur and where it will occur. The information is all available, most of it online.

But to give you a hint, from information that has already hit the public airwaves, Gary Hart was on Hannity and Combs (Fox News) just a few months ago and he said:

"The next major terrorist attack will be biological attacks, perhaps smallpox, centered around Atlanta and Denver"

Now if the above actually turns out to be the case, how did he know that? And if he (and by extension the government) knew information to this level of precision, why couldn't they stop it? Ask yourselves those questions in 36 months.



:winkwink:

theking 10-06-2003 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton


Major "foreign" terrorist attack to occur within 36 months by Wonton's prediction. Like the 9-11 attack, it will be determined months after the attack that the alleged perpetrators were:

- Granted entry Visas despite being on the terrorist watch list
- Spotted early by "good" agents of the FBI and/or CIA who alerted HQ but were ignored by their superiors
- Trained at bases originally set up by the CIA and now under proxy administration by Pakistan's ISI (an underling of the CIA)
- Gained further training within the US at US military bases
- Were funded indirectly by the Saudi Bin Laden Group and the Bush-owned Carlyle Group


Like 9-11, Wonton predicts that the following will also occur:

- The White House will be given dozens of precise warnings from the intelligence services of other nations about the impendintg attack but will ignore all
- The day preceeding the attack, high ranking military and government officials will be warned not to travel
- The day preceeding the attack, FEMA personel will already be present and installed in the target cities
- All US military bases, fighter squadrons and air defences will be ordered to "stand down" less than 24 hours prior to the attack.
- On the day of the attack all SOPs (standard operating procedures) for all first-responder military units will be ignored and no military units will intercept the attackers in time

In the days following the attack, all sections of Patriot Act I, previously repealed, will be restored. Patriot Act I will be passed with overwhelming majority. Martial law will be declared in the target cities and the governments new emergency powers granted in 2001 and 2002 will be put into effect for a minimum of 90 days. But don't worry. Martial law will be lifted within six months. It is only after the third major terror attack that facism will become permanent.

Wonton, based on extensive research of information in the public domain, is 99% certain he knows the general outlines of the type of attack and the locations but to say anymore would be foolhardy. But it's not too hard to determine what will occur and where it will occur. The information is all available, most of it online.

But to give you a hint, from information that has already hit the public airwaves, Gary Hart was on Hannity and Combs (Fox News) just a few months ago and he said:

"The next major terrorist attack will be biological attacks, perhaps smallpox, centered around Atlanta and Denver"

Now if the above actually turns out to be the case, how did he know that? And if he (and by extension the government) knew information to this level of precision, why couldn't they stop it? Ask yourselves those questions in 36 months.



:winkwink:

Are you posting form a mental institution...if not...you should be...but you are amusing.

wonton 10-06-2003 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


Are you posting form a mental institution...if not...you should be...but you are amusing.

I am posting from an internet connection within MENSA. So in a real sense - Yes, I am posting from a mental institution. But it's a type of mental institution to which you will never be admitted.

theking 10-06-2003 07:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton


I am posting from an internet connection within MENSA. So in a real sense - Yes, I am posting from a mental institution. But it's a type of mental institution to which you will never be admitted.

Yes indeed...very, very amusing.

pauliewalnutz 10-06-2003 08:45 PM

doesnt concern i am not a muslim

ThunderBalls 10-06-2003 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by pauliewalnutz
doesnt concern i am not a muslim

No but you're a fucking dumbass

Scootermuze 10-06-2003 08:58 PM

Not a biggie...

Bush is livin on borrowed time..

He'll be gone and this Patriot Act will go by the wayside..

We've been tapped and monitored illegally for lots of years... Not a new thing..

They just do it to see if there is reason to find something that they can use legally to bust you.. if so.. they dig deeper and get ya.. if not.. they kill the bugs and go on to the next one..

If ya live in the U. S. of A. then you're subject to being bugged.. legally or otherwise.. This govt is at war with it's citizens.. we just don't know it yet..

Spunky 10-06-2003 08:59 PM

Fiddy :glugglug

KRL 10-06-2003 09:45 PM

The Republicans have already blown it.

Everything will be back to normal soon.

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Furious_Female 10-06-2003 10:37 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
You should be concerned. Get informed, it may be what's coming...

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15541


Some highlights include...:

Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But ? and read this carefully from the new bill ? 'the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.'" (Italics Hentoff's.)

The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at "detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities." Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. "Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused," Wired News reported March 31. "People with 'flawed' DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government."

Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone's Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.

Oh and here's a good one:
The death penalty would be expanded to cover 15 new offenses.

American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.


Oh it's fun stuff...

:1orglaugh

Simple minds are easily lead to believe in anything that is popular.

Left wing propaganga like this makes me laugh, because it reminds me so much of shady preachers planting seeds of paranoia in followers minds. "Rock 'n Roll is the devil... it will disguise itself as harmless fun, until it engulfs you in a lifestyle of sex and drugs. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOU MY CHILD!" ...yada yada yada

It also reminds me of Disney's Beauty and the Beast, where the ring leader of the hunt for the beast was rallying the towns people ..."He will kill your children and stomp your homes, he must be destroyed!!". A simple minded analogy of what ignorance can do.

Whether or not some of the new proposals are outrageous and unconstitutional, some people still fail to see the extremeties of these laws. If the government wants your DNA, they could already get it... a court order is about all it takes. The point of this is, to not associate yourself with the types of suspicion that causes you to be under the microscope. The government doesn't have time, money or horsepower to start probing into nonsense investigations. Maybe on a small town, local level... sure we already have corrupt asshole cops in every neighborhood, that will make your life hell if they don't like you for whatever reason. This is NOT new. I do not believe everyday, working class citizens are going to be plucked from their cozy homes, at random and stripped of their rights. We still have a judicial system in America, as corrupt and backwards as it may be at times, it still stands. Although injustices happen, they have ALWAYS happened throughout history and present day, America is not a society that tolerates gross injustices on a large scale and in recent years, greatly publicizes many of these injustices.

I have watched CourTV for several years now... I see a lot of stories and always thought fingerprints or DNA samples at BIRTH would be a great idea. Sure it might be abused in some rare instances, but abuse happens with EVERYTHING. People are quick to point out the negative effects, yet fail to acknowled the positive it could bring, to many innocent suspects.

If you are so paranoid, that you are going to be hauled off to a terrorist holding facility, you have much deeper issues and/or criminal relations than the majority of Americans. Think logically and numerically, before you try and convict notions that aren't even legalized.

...And if the government wants to tap into my phone conversations or internet usage, they are more than welcome to. The fear that "Big Brother" is watching, has been instill in Americans long before the Patriot Act, if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. Contrary to what some people and paranoia seed planting non-Americans might believe, the government couldn't care less if some people like to masturbate to midget transsexuals.


:2 cents:

theking 10-06-2003 10:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female


:1orglaugh

Simple minds are easily lead to believe in anything that is popular.

Left wing propaganga like this makes me laugh, because it reminds me so much of shady preachers planting seeds of paranoia in followers minds. "Rock 'n Roll is the devil... it will disguise itself as harmless fun, until it engulfs you in a lifestyle of sex and drugs. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOU MY CHILD!" ...yada yada yada

It also reminds me of Disney's Beauty and the Beast, where the ring leader of the hunt for the beast was rallying the towns people ..."He will kill your children and stomp your homes, he must be destroyed!!". A simple minded analogy of what ignorance can do.

Whether or not some of the new proposals are outrageous and unconstitutional, some people still fail to see the extremeties of these laws. If the government wants your DNA, they could already get it... a court order is about all it takes. The point of this is, to not associate yourself with the types of suspicion that causes you to be under the microscope. The government doesn't have time, money or horsepower to start probing into nonsense investigations. Maybe on a small town, local level... sure we already have corrupt asshole cops in every neighborhood, that will make your life hell if they don't like you for whatever reason. This is NOT new. I do not believe everyday, working class citizens are going to be plucked from their cozy homes, at random and stripped of their rights. We still have a judicial system in America, as corrupt and backwards as it may be at times, it still stands. Although injustices happen, they have ALWAYS happened throughout history and present day, America is not a society that tolerates gross injustices on a large scale and in recent years, greatly publicizes many of these injustices.

I have watched CourTV for several years now... I see a lot of stories and always thought fingerprints or DNA samples at BIRTH would be a great idea. Sure it might be abused in some rare instances, but abuse happens with EVERYTHING. People are quick to point out the negative effects, yet fail to acknowled the positive it could bring, to many innocent suspects.

If you are so paranoid, that you are going to be hauled off to a terrorist holding facility, you have much deeper issues and/or criminal relations than the majority of Americans. Think logically and numerically, before you try and convict notions that aren't even legalized.

...And if the government wants to tap into my phone conversations or internet usage, they are more than welcome to. The fear that "Big Brother" is watching, has been instill in Americans long before the Patriot Act, if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. Contrary to what some people and paranoia seed planting non-Americans might believe, the government couldn't care less if some people like to masturbate to midget transsexuals.


:2 cents:

Well stated...I didn't feel like doing that much typing at the time so I posted the short form.

Quote:

Originally posted by theking


Only to those that have a reason to be scared.


Furious_Female 10-06-2003 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by theking
Well stated...I didn't feel like doing that much typing at the time so I posted the short form.

:thumbsup

ThunderBalls 10-06-2003 11:16 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

Simple minds are easily lead to believe in anything that is popular.

And you are living proof of that statement.

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

Left wing propaganga like this makes me laugh, because it reminds me so much of shady preachers planting seeds of paranoia in followers minds. "Rock 'n Roll is the devil... it will disguise itself as harmless fun, until it engulfs you in a lifestyle of sex and drugs. ONLY JESUS CAN SAVE YOU MY CHILD!" ...yada yada yada

Uhhh...thats the right wing christian fanatics (such as yourself and Bush) that plays that game. Do you really believe your own self serving Andy Coulteristic bullshit?

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

It also reminds me of Disney's Beauty and the Beast, where the ring leader of the hunt for the beast was rallying the towns people ..."He will kill your children and stomp your homes, he must be destroyed!!". A simple minded analogy of what ignorance can do.

Your comments and mentality are without a doubt on the same level as the cartoons you relate the world to.

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female

Whether or not some of the new proposals are outrageous and unconstitutional, some people still fail to see the extremeties of these laws. If the government wants your DNA, they could already get it... a court order is about all it takes. The point of this is, to not associate yourself with the types of suspicion that causes you to be under the microscope. The government doesn't have time, money or horsepower to start probing into nonsense investigations. Maybe on a small town, local level... sure we already have corrupt asshole cops in every neighborhood, that will make your life hell if they don't like you for whatever reason. This is NOT new. I do not believe everyday, working class citizens are going to be plucked from their cozy homes, at random and stripped of their rights. We still have a judicial system in America, as corrupt and backwards as it may be at times, it still stands. Although injustices happen, they have ALWAYS happened throughout history and present day, America is not a society that tolerates gross injustices on a large scale and in recent years, greatly publicizes many of these injustices.

I have watched CourTV for several years now... I see a lot of stories and always thought fingerprints or DNA samples at BIRTH would be a great idea. Sure it might be abused in some rare instances, but abuse happens with EVERYTHING. People are quick to point out the negative effects, yet fail to acknowled the positive it could bring, to many innocent suspects.

If you are so paranoid, that you are going to be hauled off to a terrorist holding facility, you have much deeper issues and/or criminal relations than the majority of Americans. Think logically and numerically, before you try and convict notions that aren't even legalized.

...And if the government wants to tap into my phone conversations or internet usage, they are more than welcome to. The fear that "Big Brother" is watching, has been instill in Americans long before the Patriot Act, if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. Contrary to what some people and paranoia seed planting non-Americans might believe, the government couldn't care less if some people like to masturbate to midget transsexuals.
:2 cents:

No doubt you are a definite incarnation of someone high up in the Nazi party, probably sucked Hitlers dick a time or two.
Keep talking, maybe one day you'll say something intelligent.

Furious_Female 10-06-2003 11:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ThunderBalls


No doubt you are a definite incarnation of someone high up in the Nazi party, probably sucked Hitlers dick a time or two.
Keep talking, maybe one day you'll say something intelligent.

:1orglaugh Do you ever quit launching personal attacks on someone that wasn't even addressing you? Typical left wing antics. When they have nothing of value or of intelligence to contribute, they stoop to grade school level insults. Keep trying, you MIGHT offend me one day... the odds are not in your favor though! You are as brainwashed as the next idiot who babbles random name calling phrases any direction the popular wind blows.

You accuse me of sucking a dictator's dick, that was incarnated decades before myself... yet you are still riding the enemies dick as we speak. Jump off of Saddam and bin Laden's magic stick for a second or 2 and put your feet on some freedom fighting soil. Keep siding with the enemy... it's popular these days :thumbsup

iroc409 10-06-2003 11:48 PM

it's interesting nobody really brings up the whole carnivore system with all this.

it was quite the rage when it was introduced. most people were highly pissed about it. it's still out there, collecting data on you, wether you like it or not.

and that's NOT just americans. :2 cents:

TheJimmy 10-06-2003 11:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
it's interesting nobody really brings up the whole carnivore system with all this.

it was quite the rage when it was introduced. most people were highly pissed about it. it's still out there, collecting data on you, wether you like it or not.

and that's NOT just americans. :2 cents:









shhhhhhhhhhh



don't remind them, the cows have horrible memories...

DarkBob 10-06-2003 11:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by iroc409
it's interesting nobody really brings up the whole carnivore system with all this.

it was quite the rage when it was introduced. most people were highly pissed about it. it's still out there, collecting data on you, wether you like it or not.

and that's NOT just americans. :2 cents:

But I'm not doing anything wrong so I've got nothing to worry about. I'm gonna go watch cartoons now :)

StuartD 10-06-2003 11:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female
Typical left wing antics.
I lose all interest in what a person has to say about politics as soon as their response has anything to do with "typical left wing antics" or "typical right wing thinking" or "typical liberal" or blah blah blah.

You guys have made it start to sound like one wing is a different species from the other wing and that you all live on different hemispheres or something...

TheJimmy 10-07-2003 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkBob

But I'm not doing anything wrong so I've got nothing to worry about...


it's odd how prevalent this thinking is today, quite sad really...


I guess as long as it's not a mandatory random anal probe it's ok?



doesn't matter whether you're doing bad shit or not...if my memory serves me, one of the things that used to set our country aside from others was the freedoms we used to enjoy...


random searches without cause, without judicial oversight, etc was a no-no at one time, but I guess since we're all so worried about the terrorists coming back to kick our asses again we should just hand over ALL of our expectations of privacy and personal freedom...





mooooooooooooooooooo

iroc409 10-07-2003 12:00 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DarkBob

But I'm not doing anything wrong so I've got nothing to worry about. I'm gonna go watch cartoons now :)


exactly.

one of my programmer friends likes to have fun with this system. once and a while during phone conversations he'll start randomly spouting off keywords that the system would likely investigate.

i'm sure they had an entertaining time reading our discussions about making baloon bombs for fun.

the original project was in fact to be in place without any sort of court order, just as this proposal.

however, that did not make it. which, does leave some comfort that this proposal may not either make it without the mandatory court orders. i have my doubts it will get by, but who knows.

Furious_Female 10-07-2003 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaskedMan


I lose all interest in what a person has to say about politics as soon as their response has anything to do with "typical left wing antics" or "typical right wing thinking" or "typical liberal" or blah blah blah.

You guys have made it start to sound like one wing is a different species from the other wing and that you all live on different hemispheres or something...

I'm actually a moderate conservative. I am not an extreme right wing conservative. I do not agree with everything they stand for... however, there's really not many more ways to classify people who make statements like "Republicans will cause a civil war" and "I hate Bush" etc etc. That's extreme left wing banter. Some people don't have an open mind when it comes to politics and believe it or not, I do. However, I have not heard ANY better solutions to our nation's problems, be it from Democrats, independents, moderates, Republicans etc... All I hear is a lot of complaining and no other alternative actions, other than "Ignore it and focus on making our country richer". I'm all for money... Love it, can't live without it... wouldn't want to or settle not to... BUT there are some things you cannot put a price tag on, freedom and morale being some. I will sacrifice ANY amount of money for security and well being that you cannot get in any other country. I happen to appreciate what I do currently have, personally and as a citizen... I don't feel the need to complain like some people do endlessly.

goBigtime 10-07-2003 12:06 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
Why anyone in their right mind can support an Administration that on a whim would remove all their civil liberties, and in fact already HAS removed many, I have no idea.
It's more than a whim. It's been in the works for decades. :2 cents:

goBigtime 10-07-2003 12:10 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheJimmy


I guess as long as it's not a mandatory random anal probe it's ok?


Ah.. well technically they suggest that all men over 40 (or is it 50?) go in for routine annual anal probes. In some cases under certain circumstances it is actually mandatory I think? Imposed by insurance companies?...

Mandatory anal probes are here!

The sky has fallen!

StuartD 10-07-2003 12:13 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female


I'm actually a moderate conservative. I am not an extreme right wing conservative. I do not agree with everything they stand for... however, there's really not many more ways to classify people who make statements like "Republicans will cause a civil war" and "I hate Bush" etc etc. That's extreme left wing banter. Some people don't have an open mind when it comes to politics and believe it or not, I do. However, I have not heard ANY better solutions to our nation's problems, be it from Democrats, independents, moderates, Republicans etc... All I hear is a lot of complaining and no other alternative actions, other than "Ignore it and focus on making our country richer". I'm all for money... Love it, can't live without it... wouldn't want to or settle not to... BUT there are some things you cannot put a price tag on, freedom and morale being some. I will sacrifice ANY amount of money for security and well being that you cannot get in any other country. I happen to appreciate what I do currently have, personally and as a citizen... I don't feel the need to complain like some people do endlessly.

yeah but... I hate Bush too.... but that doesn't make me extreme anything... maybe extreme Canadian?

I think someone who is a republican or a democrat can just as easily hate Bush as anyone else. Who cares what party they are supposed to salute too (yeah, might as well be a military analogy)? Why has the US come to the point where you have to pick a side, and then defend it till your last breath?

If I sit here and tell you that I think that the US gov't is out for themselves and their oil and money... what does that make me? extreme winged? Like a Boeing 747?

I just don't get it... either tell me that there's more to Bush's decisions than self profit or agree or just leave it alone... but telling me I'm a typical liberal or what ever... doesn't really give me much to go on. I'll pretty much just have to sit here and go on hating Bush until I have reasons otherwise.

Furious_Female 10-07-2003 12:14 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheJimmy

random searches without cause, without judicial oversight, etc was a no-no at one time, but I guess since we're all so worried about the terrorists coming back to kick our asses again we should just hand over ALL of our expectations of privacy and personal freedom...

Hmm... I guess you have never heard of stories like: black male driving down the road, minding his own business, pulled over by a police officer, taken out of his car, frisked, hand cuffed to the guard rail, car searched and then arrested for something completely ridiculous and unnecessary? I guess random searches, without cause of judicial oversight have neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr happened until these new bills were introduced? RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ... I guess it only bothers people, when it pertains to them. Pot calling the kettle black.

Moo to you too :)

Bladewire 10-07-2003 12:19 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by LadyMischief
You should be concerned. Get informed, it may be what's coming...

http://www.alternet.org/story.html?StoryID=15541


Some highlights include...:

Americans could have their citizenship revoked, if found to have contributed "material support" to organizations deemed by the government, even retroactively, to be "terrorist." As Hentoff wrote in the Feb. 28 Village Voice: "Until now, in our law, an American could only lose his or her citizenship by declaring a clear intent to abandon it. But ? and read this carefully from the new bill ? 'the intent to relinquish nationality need not be manifested in words, but can be inferred from conduct.'" (Italics Hentoff's.)

The government would be instructed to build a mammoth database of citizen DNA information, aimed at "detecting, investigating, prosecuting, preventing or responding to terrorist activities." Samples could be collected without a court order; one need only be suspected of wrongdoing by a law enforcement officer. Those refusing the cheek-swab could be fined $200,000 and jailed for a year. "Because no federal genetic privacy law regulates DNA databases, privacy advocates fear that the data they contain could be misused," Wired News reported March 31. "People with 'flawed' DNA have already suffered genetic discrimination at the hands of employers, insurance companies and the government."

Authorities could wiretap anybody for 15 days, and snoop on anyone's Internet usage (including chat and email), all without obtaining a warrant.

Oh and here's a good one:
The death penalty would be expanded to cover 15 new offenses.

American citizens could be subject to secret surveillance by their own government on behalf of foreign countries, including dictatorships.


Oh it's fun stuff...

LadyMischief Great Post!

I'm starting to get happier and happier that I'm in Australia now and not having to deal with this shit!

I love my country but the stress of living in America seems almost unbearable!

Furious_Female 10-07-2003 12:21 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaskedMan


yeah but... I hate Bush too.... but that doesn't make me extreme anything... maybe extreme Canadian?

I think someone who is a republican or a democrat can just as easily hate Bush as anyone else. Who cares what party they are supposed to salute too (yeah, might as well be a military analogy)? Why has the US come to the point where you have to pick a side, and then defend it till your last breath?

If I sit here and tell you that I think that the US gov't is out for themselves and their oil and money... what does that make me? extreme winged? Like a Boeing 747?

I just don't get it... either tell me that there's more to Bush's decisions than self profit or agree or just leave it alone... but telling me I'm a typical liberal or what ever... doesn't really give me much to go on. I'll pretty much just have to sit here and go on hating Bush until I have reasons otherwise.

Hating Bush doesn't make you a left wing liberal... I know a lot of registered Republicans that can't stand Bush. The idea of choosing which party you are with, is just a matter of what you agree with more. Maybe you agree with them evenly... Presidential and state held elections are still the same as high school class elections. It's sheer popularity. I consider myself a moderate Republican because I agree with Republican policies more so than Liberal polices. Although I am not in complete agreeance with any party, I favor Conservatism. You do not have to pick a side and defend it till your last breath, in America you are entitled to form your own opinions and have your own beliefs... it's a shame more people don't take advantage of that though.

StuartD 10-07-2003 12:30 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Furious_Female


Hating Bush doesn't make you a left wing liberal... I know a lot of registered Republicans that can't stand Bush. The idea of choosing which party you are with, is just a matter of what you agree with more. Maybe you agree with them evenly... Presidential and state held elections are still the same as high school class elections. It's sheer popularity. I consider myself a moderate Republican because I agree with Republican policies more so than Liberal polices. Although I am not in complete agreeance with any party, I favor Conservatism. You do not have to pick a side and defend it till your last breath, in America you are entitled to form your own opinions and have your own beliefs... it's a shame more people don't take advantage of that though.

I agree.... it is. In Canada, people support different parties, but there's virtually no one who is 100% this or that. We pretty much all hate politicians equally and try to pick which ever is the lesser evil at the time. But it gives us a good perspective to be able to weed out the negatives that each party brings. No one party necessarily comes to the table blabbing about the same thing every single time either.

With all the "typical liberal crap" type attacks that Americans throw back and forth at each other, I just don't see any progress being made. It's impossible to convince one person or another of anything with statements like that.

Oh well, I guess I'll never fully understand it... but I agree, it is a shame that more people aren't more willing to take advantage of it. If they could just open their eyes to the good and bad of every politician and/or their party, they'd be better off.

ThunderBalls 10-07-2003 12:36 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female


Hating Bush doesn't make you a left wing liberal

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Originally posted by Furious_Female


there's really not many more ways to classify people who make statements like "Republicans will cause a civil war" and "I hate Bush" etc etc. That's extreme left wing banter.


Multiple personalilty disorder?

StuartD 10-07-2003 12:38 AM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls
Multiple personalilty disorder?
heh... that's kinda where I was going with it, but I didn't wanna say anything after I agreed with her last post :)

Bladewire 10-07-2003 12:56 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

...And if the government wants to tap into my phone conversations or internet usage, they are more than welcome to. The fear that "Big Brother" is watching, has been instill in Americans long before the Patriot Act, if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. Contrary to what some people and paranoia seed planting non-Americans might believe, the government couldn't care less if some people like to masturbate to midget transsexuals. :2 cents:

Furious female the fact that LadyMischief isn't American has NOTHING to do with this thread or the AMERICANS that have posted to it. That was a low blow on your part and shows the weakness of your stance.

I think you mistaken our concern for our country as "paranoia". You are the type of person who, if you lived in Germany during the reign of Hitler, would say.. "nothings wrong"... "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear as long as you follow the rules". Bullshit! If we sit back and let the government do anything they want we will end up like Russia or China. Those are REAL examples of what complacency of citizens will lead to in a countries development. This has also happened in Korea. The fact that we as a people are constantly having to fight for our rights against our own government should be concerning to you unless your to busy being "furious" to deal with reality.

" if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. "
I don't know you , so please don't take this personally but that is the most ignorant statement I've read all day. Do I really have to sit here and cite ALL of the cases, on GFY alone, where people in the adult industry have been, and are, being prosecuted, even while following the law? " if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. " I personally went through a court case last year, for nine months of my life, where my religious BABYSITTER was trying to take my son away because I had an ADULT site... and you say " if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. " ???? What you will be put in jail for are directly related to the Patriot II.. it defines what is right or wrong.. worse off.. it leaves certain people to define it.. not "we the people"

"if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. "
Shame has nothing to do with anything.. it's your right to be innocent until proven guilty and the Patriot II takes those rights away.. period.. end of story.

I'm not saying "The sky is falling" but I am saying look up now and then or something might knock you out!

Bladewire 10-07-2003 01:03 AM

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Originally posted by goBigtime


It's more than a whim. It's been in the works for decades. :2 cents:

WRONG ... the Patriot Act and Patriot II happened within a 3 year period.. NOT decades. 3 years to do what these acts have done, or want to do, is a sprint in legal and political terms... definately a whim.

TheJimmy 10-07-2003 01:11 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female


Hmm... I guess you have never heard of stories like: black male driving down the road, minding his own business, pulled over by a police officer, taken out of his car, frisked, hand cuffed to the guard rail, car searched and then arrested for something completely ridiculous and unnecessary? I guess random searches, without cause of judicial oversight have neverrrrrrrrrrrrrr happened until these new bills were introduced? RIGHTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT ... I guess it only bothers people, when it pertains to them. Pot calling the kettle black.

Moo to you too :)



Uhm, yeh I have heard of that shit, but the arguments for 'it's not a big deal cuz I'm not 'doing anything wrong' or "i'm not black" or "I'm not an arab" or whatever does NOT make it tolerable, in any way shape or form....


we completely agree on this apparently...maybe I wasn't clear enough before....None of that crap is ok...not in this country, not anytime, or anywhere...


If we wanted safety in exchange for the government owning every last bit of our individuality, freedom, etc I guess those poor bastards that started this place wasted a whole lot of time, blood and writing on thinking this little experiment up....




oh, and I wasn't moooo'ing atcha, unless ya like that ;)


:thumbsup

Adorno 10-07-2003 01:18 AM

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Originally posted by ThunderBalls



Multiple personalilty disorder?

check and mate.

I like how she says "left wing liberal". Is leftist not already implied when a neocon bleats liberal? Its like calling someone a black ****** or stupid American.

Silly neocon women and their misuse of buzzwords. That is a sure fire way to seperate the neo from the old school better informed conservatives. If there is nothing more nauseating than a bandwagon jumper, it is a political bandwagon jumper.

BigFish 10-07-2003 01:21 AM

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Originally posted by Squirtit


Furious female the fact that LadyMischief isn't American has NOTHING to do with this thread or the AMERICANS that have posted to it. That was a low blow on your part and shows the weakness of your stance.

I think you mistaken our concern for our country as "paranoia". You are the type of person who, if you lived in Germany during the reign of Hitler, would say.. "nothings wrong"... "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to fear as long as you follow the rules". Bullshit! If we sit back and let the government do anything they want we will end up like Russia or China. Those are REAL examples of what complacency of citizens will lead to in a countries development. This has also happened in Korea. The fact that we as a people are constantly having to fight for our rights against our own government should be concerning to you unless your to busy being "furious" to deal with reality.

" if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. "
I don't know you , so please don't take this personally but that is the most ignorant statement I've read all day. Do I really have to sit here and cite ALL of the cases, on GFY alone, where people in the adult industry have been, and are, being prosecuted, even while following the law? " if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. " I personally went through a court case last year, for nine months of my life, where my religious BABYSITTER was trying to take my son away because I had an ADULT site... and you say " if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. " ???? What you will be put in jail for are directly related to the Patriot II.. it defines what is right or wrong.. worse off.. it leaves certain people to define it.. not "we the people"

"if you do nothing wrong... you have nothing to be ashamed of. "
Shame has nothing to do with anything.. it's your right to be innocent until proven guilty and the Patriot II takes those rights away.. period.. end of story.

I'm not saying "The sky is falling" but I am saying look up now and then or something might knock you out!

Ignorance? I think ignorance is when somebody mentions the United States+Patriot Act with Hitler or North Korea in the same breath. It's not even close enough for a remote comparison so quit exaggerating the issue to make an argument. When the government relaxes and we get attacked, you blame the government for not doing enough and sleeping on the job. When they're trying to 'do enough' to protect us, you cry lost liberties. So where do you draw the line? You want to take away the liberty stealing metal detectors at airports? How about the elimination of police search powers all together and pass a law that requires criminals have to be caught on videotape committing a crime before there's even an attempted arrest. How's that for protecting all Americans and their liberties?

Adorno 10-07-2003 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by BigFish


Ignorance? I think ignorance is when somebody mentions the United States+Patriot Act with Hitler or North Korea in the same breath. It's not even close enough for a remote comparison so quit exaggerating the issue to make an argument. When the government relaxes and we get attacked, you blame the government for not doing enough and sleeping on the job. When they're trying to 'do enough' to protect us, you cry lost liberties. So where do you draw the line? You want to take away the liberty stealing metal detectors at airports? How about the elimination of police search powers all together and pass a law that requires criminals have to be caught on videotape committing a crime before there's even an attempted arrest. How's that for protecting all Americans and their liberties?

Is it hard to type and suck off Bush at the same time?

BigFish 10-07-2003 01:26 AM

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Originally posted by Adorno


Is it hard to type and suck off Bush at the same time?

Do you have a hard time responding with more than one sentence? Learning to read might help you know? I don't see any references to "Bush" in my post, do you? Let me help you: Type in google.com, now search for "English Tutors".


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