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Sheesh. Must be a lot of illiterate people up this late! Not only can you NOT post a decent reply, but you can't even read a simple paragraph! You should join the adora guy and maybe split the costs of finding a decent WeB TuTor. hah!

Maybe you need a little history lesson.

In 1933 the German Parliament (called the Reichstag) was burned to the ground. Hitler blamed the Communists and used it as an opportunity to arrest 4000 Communists. The day after the fire Hitler invoked Article 48 of the Weimar Constitution, which permitted the suspension of civil liberties during national emergencies.

Same play different day.

Yeah and that wasn't exaggerating anything was it?

I've said it before and I'll say it again. When you deal with the government, for example flying in a federally regulated airplane, that is controlled by a federally regulated pilot, in federally regulated airspace and the federally regulated airplane is owned by a federally regulated airline then you don't have a choice but to be FEDERALLY REGULATED.

However what some of these ideas for the original patriot act, and patriot act II are wanting to come into your home which is NOT federally regulated..but private.

There is no reason to go to such extremes, we have plenty of laws and procedures in place to cover criminal investigations whether it's shoplifting or terrorism.

The government was not hampered, the government was just focusing on issues that just are not important.

So you honestly think, in your right mind, that the United States is going to go out and setup gas chambers to kill mass Americans soon? Please entertain us and tell us what is RELEVANCE is of what you posted?

" When the government relaxes and we get attacked, you blame the government for not doing enough and sleeping on the job. "

I never made any statement remotely close to this or relating to this at all. Stay with the thread and topic of discussion.

Talk about ALARMIST! Your response has nothing to do with my post or how I feel.

Well done!

How is it exaggerating? First of all, it was a question. Second, I wanted to know what the critics' answer to the problem of terrorists is.

Once again EXTREMES...and you call others illiterate.

What he is trying to say is that it doesn't take much for a government to come in and take away ALL your civil liberties.

Or maybe just SOME, chipping away at them a little bit at a time just like they are doing.

And don't think it can't happen here just because we're Uhmericun...people like to talk about owning guns and taking it into the streets and fighting the government...bullshit...hell if they can't even get out off of their lazy asses to vote they sure as hell aren't going to put that same ass on the line in a "civil war."

Did you even read what I posted? If you don't have the ability to respond to my post that responded to yours, then why respond at all?

still beats your country by 10 folds, might be one reason.

Again you are exagerating the issue and diluting the thread.... such a shame.

What I dont understand is since God Blesses America, and we support the homeland of his chosen people, why Bush cannot enlist the help of his Lord and Savior Jesus Christ to help us. Surely the Lord will smote our enemies. We are a Christian nation, why has God abandoned us in our time of need?

The answers are the existing laws we already have on our books for conducting criminal investigations.

The answers are for agencies to work together instead of against each other.

The answers are for us as a country to quit setting up these little fucktard leaders, and revolutionists and supplying them weapons, money and training only for it to come back to haunt us.

The answers sure as hell are not detainment without due process, or legal counsel.

The answers sure as hell are not illegal wiretaps, or unlawful search and seizure.

My response was in your quotes.. take another toke and call it a night.. you need to get yourself together and think logically. A good nights sleep will do you good :sleep

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Sure you can put a price tag on on freedom...you just called it "security."

What do you mean it doesn't take much? It does take A LOT for the government of the United States to just take away everybody's stuff. You do realize that we're not in North Korea, correct? Where have you been living or ARE currently living now?

"..The answers are for us as a country to quit setting up these little fucktard leaders,"

Remember.. Bush wasn't elected by the majority :winkwink:

Dude, are you seriously this dense?

Are you having that much difficulty following the thread? And of course I'm assuming you're having the same problem with the news.

Nice twist. Germany didnt kill Germans, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume your 9th grade history class hasnt covered the Holocaust yet.

No shit...apparently he's not aware that Lincoln suspended the writ of habeas corpus during the civil war.

Apparently he's never heard of Japanese Internment camps, or Sen. McCarthy either.

Are you this PARANOID about the government all the time?

edit: oh wait. The "news".? No wonder you're all wacked out about conspiracy theories and how the United States is out to conquer all its citizens.

A good dilligent citizen who is actually interested in freedom should always be aware of his government's actions.

See you're like the guys during the McCarthy hearings who thought they were the good citizens by naming names...when the actual good citizens were those who lost their jobs, homes, families, lives because they would not name names....even if they knew the person was a card carrying communist.

ahhh yes, the sweet sweet smell of hegemony at work.

Exactly. Whats ironic about all of this is the ones that claim to be so patriotic are the ones that have no problem trashing the constitution.

Ah, history. Bush is Hitler. Clinton is Hitler. Saddam is Hitler. Milosevic is Hitler. Castro is Hitler. Noriega is Hitler. the Ayatollah is Hitler. No one ever gets tired of playing the Hitler card.

The Weimar Republic was 14 years old at the time. The American Republic is 227. During that time the US has suspended "universal" civil rights many times in various acts and executive orders some of them before 1933. Arguably the two greatest presidents in US history suspended civil rights during times of national emergency; Roosevelt and Lincoln. Both of them did it with executive order not even bothering to go to Congress. A president has authority to do that. Congress balances that power with the ability to impeach. The American people balance that power at the election booth.

The Patriot Act is a normal reaction to such things both in American and World history. Many nations of the world have "national security" clauses intheir Constitution. Turkey being one example.

Doesn't mean I like the Patriot Act. Every last line of it should be repealed. If you pay attention to the US courts and Congress you'll see that has already begun.

I do think though that the proper historical analogy is not 1933 German history but any of the multitudes of times the US has invoked such measures - some of them quite drastic. Internment being probably the worst example. Wanna see what a real uproar is about? Read about the Alien and Sedition acts of John Adam's administration. Thomas Jefferson, the vice president at the time, left town in protest.

The Patriot Act passed the Senate 98-1 at a time of national emergency. Now reaction is going back the other way.

I didn't bother reading this drivel, just skimmed the first couple posts.


The patriot act was passed unanimously (or maybe one vote shy of that) in congress.
cute how you leftists pretend the Dems didn't play a part in this.
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Apparently, my dear, you didn't click the link to read the act yourself. It's easy to say my mind is "simple" if I believe this, but reading the entire act yourself would certainly remove all doubt.. Then come back and call ME simple, when the proof is smacking you right in the face :P

Are you sure you aren't 12clicks? Anyone who agrees with you must be a liberal. Bullshit, how about anyone who agrees with you just has a different opinion and might not be so blinded by hero-worship? :P

The fact that they've already fingered Pornography SEVERAL times as FUNDING TERRORISM, or so they say, makes anyone IN, around, or involved the industry in ANY WAY automatically suspect. If the Patriot Act 2 goes thorugh, owning a Playboy will be enough reason for search and seizure.

When did I say in any of those statements that I hate Bush? I was simply pointing out FACTS of what the Patriot act expansions that Ashfucker is trying to push through will involve. Don't believe me, go check for yourself.

My mother is an American. This stuff will affect her very much so, therefore it concerns me very much so.

What you're not realizing here though is that as the system stands, the police officers who propegate such crimes can be punished.. Under the new Patriot act, they HAVE IMMUNITY.

You're trying to say that the fact they are going to try to strip citizenship from BORN AND BRED Americans on no more evidence than someone in the government pointing and saying "He did some stuff that MIGHT be terrorist" is ok with you? Well guess what, Ashbutthead and his crones have declared that Pornography FUNDS TERRORISM. You're in the industry. Period. That's all they would need. They are going after ALL porn in the guise of preventing child pornography, but it makes EVERYONE suspect. Go read the act for yourself, instead of chirping what you've been fed. I spent 8 hours last night reading through the act itself, and article after article of lawyer, other legal institutions, newspapers, different political viewpoints, etc etc on the act, and it frankly scared the shit out of me. And I'm not even American. Why not go inform yourself first, eh?

Ok, well you enjoy your random body cavity searches, having your computers confiscated, having your civil liberties suspended, perhaps your citizenship stripped.. Not to mention giving your DNA for the national database, and I'll run to the corner store, grab me some soda water, come home and surf in peace. And I'll wave to a cop and not worry he's going to arrest me for nothing more than the fact he doesn't like my clothes :P

Do you often believe in everything you read? Biased articles, whether based on fact or fiction, still give you the opportunity to disagree with them. Becoming paranoid over things that do not exist yet, is a waste of time. I could list a lot of things that COULD happen in the future, which every human should fear... does it mean they WILL happen? Highly unlikely. I'd like to think America consists of a few people that will still object to unconstitutional laws. Contrary to what SOME people believe, we are NOT living in 1933 Germany. Our society is far too advanced and civil to allow the US government to become that of a malicious dictatorship. I'm tired of people comparing Bush to Hitler. It's ABSURD! Look around you... tell me what do you see. If I took every article published on a web site, as the absolute truth and definite course of action, I would be worried about a lot of nonsense too.