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Amputate Your Head · 10-02-2003, 02:38 PM

"Zoom zoom!"

StuartD · 10-02-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Amputate Your Head
"Zoom zoom!"

I say we crush the zoom zoom kid into a fossil fuel.

wonton · 10-02-2003, 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo Rizin

So if a book, that you buy into, is written so that the views are slanted to the extreme left, are you going to tell me the extreme right doesnt exsist?

I never said that. You asked me to substantiate my figures and name my source and I did.

If you don't want to buy that particular book, you can certainly compile your own information by spending countless hours searching the net, personally interviewing hundreds of oil and gas geologists, subscribing to trade magazines and much more. Then you can form an educated opinion as to the facts. But barring that and barring any purchase of the book I mentioned, then what are YOU basing your figures on? You threw out a sweeping generalization based on some hope you might have. That does not make it correct.

ADL Colin · 10-02-2003, 02:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
It is written by a well respected geologist who compiles the concensus research of geologists who work in the Oil and Gas industry. .

Are you sure he's a geologist?

He teaches ecology.

wonton · 10-02-2003, 02:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaskedMan

I say we crush the zoom zoom kid into a fossil fuel.

Best idea yet.

Fuck the zoom zoom kid. He is an agent of Satan, encourging people to speed, thereby using up more fossil fuel so that humanity can end up back in the stone age as quickly as possible..

Hey, zoom zoom kid: fuck you!

ScriptBall · 10-02-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by PornDollar
In 2010,

Jupiter will implode and creating a new born star that will give the energy to fuel life on Europa.

Our solar system will now be a Two star system that will increse global warming and more naked women.

I wish that was a possibility, but in order for Jupiter to become a star it would have be 80 times its current mass, if jupiter ever becomes a small star, it is likely that the earth will be torn into a billion pieces between the two suns gravitational tug of war.

Ice · 10-02-2003, 02:44 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

Funny you should say that. Look at the great tax incentive Bush is giving us to waste yet more Oil and Gas:

Washington Post

"'Allow me to introduce you to a fabulous opportunity,' Chris Thorpe, a sales representative for Hummer of Alaska, writes in a promotion letter. 'A tax "loophole" so big you could drive a Hummer H2 through it!

Imagine being able to purchase the #1 large luxury SUV in America today ... and receive a deduction for the entire purchase amount from your taxes this year!

Thanks to the Bush administration's recent economic stimulus package, small businesses and the self-employed are eligible to deduct the entire purchase cost of new equipment up to $100,000 the year of the purchase.

The Hummer H2 qualifies for this IRS Sec. 179 deduction by its gross vehicle weight of over 6,000 lbs.'"

Washington Post - Tax Incentive for Hummers

Do you have any thoughts of your own...or do you just cut and paste what you read on internet news sites?

TheSaint · 10-02-2003, 02:45 PM

Uh, I wouldn't be selling my fossil fuel vehicles yet if I were you guys.

There is enough oil for another hundred years at least. Much oil is still in the ground because its relatively expensive to drill for it, so we go for the easy fluffer stuff that can be drilled at pennies on the barrel.

The reason the world is in love with oil is because it is cheap as dirt.

Decades before we run out of the stuff, the prices will climb. Suddenly, all kinds of alternatives wil start looking good. Not just coal and natural gas, but solar, wind, etc.

And 30 years from now, nuclear fission. Limitless power from hydrogen and oxygen.

Like cheap porn, cheap oil will eventually die off too but it will be as always a great opporunity for those that perfect the next technology.

In a way, cheap oil is as bad as cheap heroin. It feeds our short term desires, but we'll all be better off when its finally gone.

VideoJ · 10-02-2003, 02:45 PM

http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/oiltext_box.html
Canada now has the largest oil reserveres. So when is Bush going to invade Canada?

JDog · 10-02-2003, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
hey - if CNN says something, it MUST be true...

oh yea, who says?

jDoG

StuartD · 10-02-2003, 02:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TheSaint

The reason the world is in love with oil is because it is cheap as dirt.

actually, it's as cheap as the stuff under the dirt

KRL · 10-02-2003, 02:48 PM

Hydrogen based engines are the future.

iroc409 · 10-02-2003, 02:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoJ
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/oiltext_box.html
Canada now has the largest oil reserveres. So when is Bush going to invade Canada?

fuel up the m1a1's...

ADL Colin · 10-02-2003, 02:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

You'll have to buy the book and read it.

It's worth it.

So the 99/100 survey is in the book or you exaggerated?

wonton · 10-02-2003, 02:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin

Are you sure he's a geologist?

He teaches ecology.

I stand corrected. Heinberg extensively quotes Dr. Scott Campbell throughout the book. It is Campbell who is the respected geologist with several decades of high-level work for BP and other major oil firms. Campbell compiled the research from all the leading geologists in his field. Heinberg quotes extensively from these studies throughout the book. My boo boo in misidentifying Heinberg as a geologist himself.

In any case, it is a great book and I can't recommend it enough. It is scientific but easy enough for laypeople to understand, assuming a first-year college level understanding of chemistry and physics.

Chichio · 10-02-2003, 02:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by VideoJ
http://www.eia.doe.gov/oiaf/ieo/oiltext_box.html
Canada now has the largest oil reserveres. So when is Bush going to invade Canada?

We've already started. Demonizing comes first. All the papers are talking about how bad legalizing weed is and the gay marrage stuff.

Don't worry we'll vote him out next year.

wonton · 10-02-2003, 02:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Colin

So the 99/100 survey is in the book or you exaggerated?

Shame on you Colin. Does Wonton ever exaggerate?

I correct myself when I slip up - but to stoop to the depths of all out exaggeration of something factual?!

I am Wonton for Christ's Sake.

The book costs $12 for crying out loud. Hardly a major risk for a wealthy pornographer.

Mojo Rizin · 10-02-2003, 02:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

Shame on you Colin. Does Wonton ever exaggerate?

I correct myself when I slip up - but to stoop to the depths of all out exaggeration of something factual?!

I am Wonton for Christ's Sake.

The book costs $12 for crying out loud. Hardly a major risk for a wealthy pornographer.

Just because this guy took a poll of 99 of his buddies and 1 outcast, doesnt mean that those 100 people represent the opinions of the entire community.

Ice · 10-02-2003, 03:03 PM

[QUOTE]Originally posted by wonton
[B]The hidden factor behind the war in Iraq, the coming invasions of Saudia Arabia and Iran, the clamp-down on civil liberties within the US - now in the mainstream for the first time!:

World oil and gas 'running out'
By CNN's Graham Jones
Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 1245 GMT ( 8:45 PM HKT)

-Global oil supplies will peak soon after 2010, Swedish scientists say.

LONDON, England -- Global warming will never bring a "doomsday scenario" a team of scientists says -- because oil and gas are running out much faster than thought.

The world's oil reserves are up to 80 percent less than predicted, a team from Sweden's University of Uppsala says. Production levels will peak in about 10 years' time, they say.

"Non-fossil fuels must come in much stronger than it had been hoped," Professor Kjell Alekett told CNN.

Oil production levels will hit their maximum soon after 2010 with gas supplies peaking not long afterwards, the Swedish geologists say.

At that point prices for petrol and other fuels will reach disastrous levels. Earlier studies have predicted oil supplies will not start falling until 2050.

FOR REST OF CNN ARTICLE - CLICK HERE

Ohhhhh heavens....what should we do............

Chicken Little was in the woods,
A seed fell on his tail.
He met Henny Penny and said,

"The sky is falling.
I saw it with my eyes.
I heard it with my ears.
Some of it fell on my tail."

He met Turkey Lurkey, Ducky Lucky,
and Goosey Loosey.
They ran to tell the king.

They met Foxy Loxy.
They ran into his den,
And they did not come out again

ADL Colin · 10-02-2003, 03:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton
The book costs $12 for crying out loud. Hardly a major risk for a wealthy pornographer.

Trying to save 12 minutes.

Adorno · 10-02-2003, 03:52 PM

I dont know if it is funny or tragic that there are those that actually believe that fossil fuels are an infinite resource.

wonton · 10-02-2003, 03:56 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Adorno
I dont know if it is funny or tragic that there are those that actually believe that fossil fuels are an infinite resource.

It's funny now.

Will be tragic within a few years.

Loryn · 10-02-2003, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

It's funny now.

Will be tragic within a few years.

No, what you said is funny!!!

I guess I'll see you on the dark side of the moon!!

Oh wait we are probably going different places, being that I don't believe.

masta flash · 10-02-2003, 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ScriptBall

I wish that was a possibility, but in order for Jupiter to become a star it would have be 80 times its current mass, if jupiter ever becomes a small star, it is likely that the earth will be torn into a billion pieces between the two suns gravitational tug of war.

You know that not only the sun has gravity?
Anything that is large enough will create its own gravitational pull around it.
The only way that I could see it being torn into peices was if #1) the stars were both the same exact size #2) we were centered exactly between the two.

masta flash · 10-02-2003, 05:20 PM

Time to start investing in fusion

eatapeach · 10-02-2003, 05:28 PM

http://globalpublicmedia.com/

julian darley has interviews with leading scientists and geologists. for anyone who wants to know about oil and the future this is the place to start.

and from clusterfuck nation :

The Association for the Study of Peak Oil threw a major conference last June in Paris.

The org is lead by Colin Campbell, retired chief geologist for Shell Oil, and the board members include an impressive roster of geologists who have worked both for Big Oil and acadamia, for instance, Kenneth Deffeyes of Princeton, retired exploration manager of France's giant Total company Jean Laherrere, Pierre-Rene Bauquis, VP of the French Energy Institute (IFP), and others like Matthew Simmons, the Houston-based investment banker specializing in energy companies.
The message emerging from the meeting is that the world may have already entered the unchartered territory of global oil depletion -- that is, the downside of "Hubbert's Curve," the bell graph first used by Shell Oil geologist M. King Hubbert in 1956 to describe the destiny of the world's oil supplies. Here are some of the salient points presented (thanks to Michael C. Ruppert reporting for the Fromthewilderness.com).

-- Deffeyes repeated a claim he made in April that, based on production figures for the past three years, the world seems to have passed peak oil production in 2000.

-- The once-hoped-for Caspian Sea bonanza has proved to be a major bust. British Petroleum and Exxon/Mobil have already pulled out.

-- Reserve figures have been uniformly overstated for decades by both major oil companies and national governments -- for tax advantages in the case of US companies and to evade export quota regulations in the case of OPEC members. Saudi Arabia's reserves may be substantially lower than the 250 billion barrels claimed, and in fact Saudi Arabia may be producing now at 100 percent capacity, meaning they may now be passing peak.

-- Oliver Appert, Chairman of the IFP, declared there are no more major significant reserves to be discovered and that the world oil depletion rate is between five and ten per cent per year, requiring 60 million barrels a day in new production to meet demand.

-- Auto sales in China jumped 50 percent in 2002 alone.

-- Matthew Simmons told the group that the US natural gas supply is near a crisis point. By 2001, with record drilling, there was no increase in supply, and by 2003 production was in serious decline. New Texas gas wells, he said, are in decline an average of 83 percent one year after drilling. "The world has no Plan B," he said.

--Dutch economist Maarten Van Mourik told the group that deep water drilling would not add significantly to the world's oil reserve, that it did not make sense economically, and ultimately could only produce five billion barrels -- equal to a 60-day world demand at current levels. Van Mourik also made the interesting observation that, "it may not be profitable to slow decline."

-- All speakers addressing the issue stated that no combination of alternative energy sources can replace hydrocarbons, and none even dreamed of will be implemented in time to avert major disruptions in industrial civilization.

-- Dr. Jorg Wind, representing auto giant Daimler / Chrysler told the conference that his company did not view hydrogen as a viable alternative to petroleum-based engines. He stated that fuel cell vehicles would never amount to significant market share. Hydrogen was ruled out as a solution because of intensive costs of production, inherent energy inefficiencies, lack of infrastructure, and practical difficulties such as the extreme cost and difficulty of storage. The Daimler / Chrysler representative dismissed ethanol out of hand as "not energy efficient."

-- Pierre-Rene Bauquis remarked that commercial production of hydrogen is two to five times the cost of fossil fuels used to produce it.

-- Other French presenters stated that ethanol used in France enjoyed a 300 percent government subsidy.

-- Physics Professor Kjell Aleklett told the conference that exploiting the Canadian Tar Sands would be a financial and economic disaster, insofar as the amount of natural gas needed to create steam to process the mined sands, as well as the massive amounts of water used and polluted in the process.

-- Chris Skrebowski of the UK's Institute of Petroleum noted that by 2007 Britain will be in its second year of natural gas imports and its first year of oil imports, having severely depleted its North Sea reserves by that time.

Go ahead and draw some conclusions.

ScriptBall · 10-02-2003, 09:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by masta flash

You know that not only the sun has gravity?
Anything that is large enough will create its own gravitational pull around it.
The only way that I could see it being torn into peices was if #1) the stars were both the same exact size #2) we were centered exactly between the two.

Of course, anything of any mass pretty much has gravity, The outcome of jupiter turning into a star is too unpredictable. Earth could be flung into the orbit of pluto for all anyone knows

that would be one hell of a cold winter

EZRhino · 10-02-2003, 09:25 PM

Time to get my hybrid car.

Mojo Rizin · 10-02-2003, 09:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Adorno
I dont know if it is funny or tragic that there are those that actually believe that fossil fuels are an infinite resource.

I dont think ANYONE thinks there is an infinite amount.. just dont start crying wolf prematurely.

wonton · 10-02-2003, 09:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mojo Rizin

I dont think ANYONE thinks there is an infinite amount.. just dont start crying wolf prematurely.

Indeed, one should study the situation extensively and then only cry wolf if it is truly the right time.

I am crying wolf right now.

Mojo Rizin · 10-02-2003, 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by wonton

Indeed, one should study the situation extensively and then only cry wolf if it is truly the right time.

I am crying wolf right now.

And I agree to that.. but you have to realize these guys are estimating complete depletion of reserves that they KNOW about.

MrIzzz · 10-02-2003, 09:54 PM

theres dozens of alternative fuels out there that have already been proven to work. we can grow our own fuel too, from corn and other shit.....so the energy problem isn't an issue, the real problem is making a 200 mph car affordable so i can buy one and burn rubber

the indigo · 10-02-2003, 10:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by basschick
hey - if CNN says something, it MUST be true...

The news in from Sweden, reported by CNN.

Anyway, it's not a surprise.

10-02-2003, 10:56 PM

Damn...

I guess we'll just have to turn to alternate sources. That sucks for the environment, doesn't it!

Micah - Drizunk · 10-02-2003, 11:28 PM

im really going to buy that GTO now.

Im gona suck this planet dry I tell you.

Jinx_Co · 10-03-2003, 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by MaskedMan

I say we crush the zoom zoom kid into a fossil fuel.

You got my vote. Everytime I seen that kid I've became really annoyed.

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Ice Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Sunny California Posts: 26,053	[QUOTE]Originally posted by wonton [B]The hidden factor behind the war in Iraq, the coming invasions of Saudia Arabia and Iran, the clamp-down on civil liberties within the US - now in the mainstream for the first time!: World oil and gas 'running out' By CNN's Graham Jones Thursday, October 2, 2003 Posted: 1245 GMT ( 8:45 PM HKT) -Global oil supplies will peak soon after 2010, Swedish scientists say. LONDON, England -- Global warming will never bring a "doomsday scenario" a team of scientists says -- because oil and gas are running out much faster than thought. The world's oil reserves are up to 80 percent less than predicted, a team from Sweden's University of Uppsala says. Production levels will peak in about 10 years' time, they say. "Non-fossil fuels must come in much stronger than it had been hoped," Professor Kjell Alekett told CNN. Oil production levels will hit their maximum soon after 2010 with gas supplies peaking not long afterwards, the Swedish geologists say. At that point prices for petrol and other fuels will reach disastrous levels. Earlier studies have predicted oil supplies will not start falling until 2050. FOR REST OF CNN ARTICLE - CLICK HERE Ohhhhh heavens....what should we do............ Chicken Little was in the woods, A seed fell on his tail. He met Henny Penny and said, "The sky is falling. I saw it with my eyes. I heard it with my ears. Some of it fell on my tail." He met Turkey Lurkey, Ducky Lucky, and Goosey Loosey. They ran to tell the king. They met Foxy Loxy. They ran into his den, And they did not come out again __________________ icq 1904905

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10-02-2003, 02:45 PM	#58
TheSaint Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Everywhere at once Posts: 991	Uh, I wouldn't be selling my fossil fuel vehicles yet if I were you guys. There is enough oil for another hundred years at least. Much oil is still in the ground because its relatively expensive to drill for it, so we go for the easy fluffer stuff that can be drilled at pennies on the barrel. The reason the world is in love with oil is because it is cheap as dirt. Decades before we run out of the stuff, the prices will climb. Suddenly, all kinds of alternatives wil start looking good. Not just coal and natural gas, but solar, wind, etc. And 30 years from now, nuclear fission. Limitless power from hydrogen and oxygen. Like cheap porn, cheap oil will eventually die off too but it will be as always a great opporunity for those that perfect the next technology. In a way, cheap oil is as bad as cheap heroin. It feeds our short term desires, but we'll all be better off when its finally gone.

10-02-2003, 03:52 PM	#71
Adorno So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 303	I dont know if it is funny or tragic that there are those that actually believe that fossil fuels are an infinite resource.

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10-02-2003, 05:28 PM	#76
eatapeach Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: toto's doghouse Posts: 493	http://globalpublicmedia.com/ julian darley has interviews with leading scientists and geologists. for anyone who wants to know about oil and the future this is the place to start. and from clusterfuck nation : The Association for the Study of Peak Oil threw a major conference last June in Paris. The org is lead by Colin Campbell, retired chief geologist for Shell Oil, and the board members include an impressive roster of geologists who have worked both for Big Oil and acadamia, for instance, Kenneth Deffeyes of Princeton, retired exploration manager of France's giant Total company Jean Laherrere, Pierre-Rene Bauquis, VP of the French Energy Institute (IFP), and others like Matthew Simmons, the Houston-based investment banker specializing in energy companies. The message emerging from the meeting is that the world may have already entered the unchartered territory of global oil depletion -- that is, the downside of "Hubbert's Curve," the bell graph first used by Shell Oil geologist M. King Hubbert in 1956 to describe the destiny of the world's oil supplies. Here are some of the salient points presented (thanks to Michael C. Ruppert reporting for the Fromthewilderness.com). -- Deffeyes repeated a claim he made in April that, based on production figures for the past three years, the world seems to have passed peak oil production in 2000. -- The once-hoped-for Caspian Sea bonanza has proved to be a major bust. British Petroleum and Exxon/Mobil have already pulled out. -- Reserve figures have been uniformly overstated for decades by both major oil companies and national governments -- for tax advantages in the case of US companies and to evade export quota regulations in the case of OPEC members. Saudi Arabia's reserves may be substantially lower than the 250 billion barrels claimed, and in fact Saudi Arabia may be producing now at 100 percent capacity, meaning they may now be passing peak. -- Oliver Appert, Chairman of the IFP, declared there are no more major significant reserves to be discovered and that the world oil depletion rate is between five and ten per cent per year, requiring 60 million barrels a day in new production to meet demand. -- Auto sales in China jumped 50 percent in 2002 alone. -- Matthew Simmons told the group that the US natural gas supply is near a crisis point. By 2001, with record drilling, there was no increase in supply, and by 2003 production was in serious decline. New Texas gas wells, he said, are in decline an average of 83 percent one year after drilling. "The world has no Plan B," he said. --Dutch economist Maarten Van Mourik told the group that deep water drilling would not add significantly to the world's oil reserve, that it did not make sense economically, and ultimately could only produce five billion barrels -- equal to a 60-day world demand at current levels. Van Mourik also made the interesting observation that, "it may not be profitable to slow decline." -- All speakers addressing the issue stated that no combination of alternative energy sources can replace hydrocarbons, and none even dreamed of will be implemented in time to avert major disruptions in industrial civilization. -- Dr. Jorg Wind, representing auto giant Daimler / Chrysler told the conference that his company did not view hydrogen as a viable alternative to petroleum-based engines. He stated that fuel cell vehicles would never amount to significant market share. Hydrogen was ruled out as a solution because of intensive costs of production, inherent energy inefficiencies, lack of infrastructure, and practical difficulties such as the extreme cost and difficulty of storage. The Daimler / Chrysler representative dismissed ethanol out of hand as "not energy efficient." -- Pierre-Rene Bauquis remarked that commercial production of hydrogen is two to five times the cost of fossil fuels used to produce it. -- Other French presenters stated that ethanol used in France enjoyed a 300 percent government subsidy. -- Physics Professor Kjell Aleklett told the conference that exploiting the Canadian Tar Sands would be a financial and economic disaster, insofar as the amount of natural gas needed to create steam to process the mined sands, as well as the massive amounts of water used and polluted in the process. -- Chris Skrebowski of the UK's Institute of Petroleum noted that by 2007 Britain will be in its second year of natural gas imports and its first year of oil imports, having severely depleted its North Sea reserves by that time. Go ahead and draw some conclusions.

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MrIzzz If u touch it, I will cum Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: long island Posts: 22,923	theres dozens of alternative fuels out there that have already been proven to work. we can grow our own fuel too, from corn and other shit.....so the energy problem isn't an issue, the real problem is making a 200 mph car affordable so i can buy one and burn rubber

10-02-2003, 10:56 PM	#84
shermo Guest Posts: n/a	Damn... I guess we'll just have to turn to alternate sources. That sucks for the environment, doesn't it!