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These parents are building weapons of mass destruction for Lockheed Martin or some shit, so why are they suprised their children are being murdered? :1orglaugh God has a sick sense of humor sometimes... Payback is a bitch.

Maybe the USA just has bad karma and that's why it's fucked up... :1orglaugh

i think everyone needs a gun.

look at how the soviet union and usa effectively kept the peace through fear for so long. knowing your neighbor could blow you and your buddies the fuck away at any second will keep anyone honest.

its said a lot, but if guns are outlawed, only the outlaws will have guns.

anti gun nuts will talk their shit till the end of time
and when someone busts into their house and steals their shit i wont help them

I think the implication was that the KKK was disbaned one year, they all went and started the NRA either that same year or the year after.

So they quit the illegal club, and joined up in the more aptly named legal club.

Ah that makes sense.


I was also quite surprised about Marilyn Manson. Before watching the movie I thought that he was nothing but a freakin nutcase, but now I am very impressed and actually believe that he's an intelligent man.

regarding the fear issue...michael moore has a very valid point.

I've noticed it in the past, but it's really so much more noticeable now because I am looking for it.

Every afternoon just turn into the shows before your local news comes on and they ALWAYS have tag lines like this...

"The hidden dangers in your city's water."

"Are their hidden dangers in the equipment at your children's schoolyard playground?" referring to arsenic in the wood.

The list goes on....and these are substitutes for the slow news night otherwise it's...

"Mother of two buys bat at wal-mart then beats her children to death."

There is always a hidden danger lurking somewhere in our lives and the news just points it out every chance they get.

Marilyn Manson has not spread hatred or violence in this country. That's not what his music is about. He has committed a serious crime, however, and that is turning our youth into fashon victims. Seriously, anyone who dresses like that is going to have those pictures used against them as blackmail some day. Poor bastards.

What made you believe he was a freakin nutcase?

I don't lock my doors when I'm home OR when I'm gone. I lock them at night just because if someone DID break in, I want to hear about it. :) In fact, my son left my front door wide open for more than 6 hours one day - I was just really pissed because it was 30 degrees outside and the heater had been running like crazy trying to heat the house!

My car keys are currently in my unlocked car. So is my wallet. Wig with achdebit.com (see sig :)) lives on the other side of town, and his house is the same way. And I'll guarantee you that we have the highest percentage of gun owners (including handguns and automatics) than most areas of the US. Having a lot of guns in your town doesn't mean there's a high crime rate or that you're afraid.

Criminals are criminals. They will find ways to kill, rape, threaten, steal, etc. I have a guns for protection against people (I carry one in the car for when I have to go to Atlanta) and animals - animals don't have guns (at least that I know of......:eek7) so I don't just have guns because "the bad guys have guns".

I see the "gun related" death stats - does anyone have the actual CRIME stats for places? i.e. how many rapes, burglaries, robberies, murders etc. are in each location. Showing me how many GUN related deaths there are doesn't show ME the level of crime.

I know in Kennesaw, when they passed a law that said you must own a gun, crime dropped. You're not going to find many criminals that are excited about breaking into a home where they KNOW there's going to be a gun, hehehe.

And no, I haven't seen the movie - it's on the Netflix list though. I refuse to pay to watch it. :winkwink:

Automatic weapons are illegal in the US...for the average person to purchase. It requires a very special Federal license to purchase automatic weapons. Some are illegally owned and they represent less than 1% of all gun related crimes. It is cheap handguns that are overwhelmingly responsible for gun deaths in the USA (so called saturday night specials).

I live in a high crime county. It is a high crime county because of the drug users. Most businesses in the area require drug tests to be employed at the business (I would imagine this would apply virtually everywhere in the States). Pot users and users of other types of drugs cannot pass a drug test thus they remain unemployed. In order to buy their drugs they resort to crime. I keep my doors locked day and night (there have been several home entries during the day). I own several weapons and seldom...if ever...go anywhere without being armed.

It is my understanding that 70% of our prison population is composed of drug related criminals. It is difficult for druggies to get a job...and it is difficult for them to hold a job...so they resort to crime...and some of the crime is gun related crime...including shootings.

Beeeeeeep! Wrong.

I don't believe anyone should be afraid of anything when you are 3-4.

He was talking about walking alone in the dark...

What would make sense to me is not assuming that smoking pot, excluding during business hours would make anyone less inclined to work at wal-mart.

Good point, Peaches. :thumbsup While British shootings are relatively low, there may well be a disproportionate number of stabbings and other violent attacks over there. As for Canada... well, who knows what keeps those gosh darn Canadians so nice... must be sedatives in the beer up there or something. :winkwink:

There is places in the US where people dont lock their doors. Like North Minnasota and Montana :winkwink:

Alot of other places just have more fucked up people and fucked up things happen.

Maybe fucked up people dont like cold :winkwink:

:1orglaugh

Yeah the pot smokers are out killing people and raping women for herb money!

Problem in this country is the DRUNK GUYS WITH GUNS.

ALCOHOLICS AND GUNS DONT MIX!

Walmart will not hire you if you cannot pass a drug test.

I should have said qualified instead of inclined. It's late I'm tired.

Pot smokers have a difficult time finding employment...they also have a difficult time holding a job once they gain employment. Thus they resort to crime...as it is difficult to survive without income from somewhere. They committ all types of crimes...primarily burglaries...but some also committ gun related crime. I will state again that it is my understanding that 70% of the prison popultation are in prison because of drug related crime...and that means those that were stealing or robbing among other things...and they sometimes kill when robbing.

I don't think anyone who's not either under the age of 14 or on heroin anyway turns to crime to pay for pot. Pot can't wack your head out so much that you'd put smoking it over getting a much needed job. For that you'd need a drug that would actually compensate for a shitty life on the streets, like heroin.

You really need to educate yourself before making posts.

Your 'stoner stereotype' is enough, the rest doesnt even deserve response.

Most Marijuana related crimes are for POSSESSION. But the UNEDUCATED always like to speak louder than they should.

Its funny to see alcoholics blame pot smokers for 70% of the prison population

'Taxpayers annually spend between $7.5 billion and $10 billion arresting and prosecuting individuals for marijuana violations. Almost 90 percent of these arrests are for marijuana possession only.'

http://norml.com/index.cfm?Group_ID=3381#point1

'More than 734,000 individuals were arrested on marijuana charges in 2000. Eighty-eight percent of those arrested were charged with marijuana possession only.
REFERENCE: Federal Bureau of Investigation. 2001. Uniform Crime Report Crime in the United States, 2000. Table: Arrest for Drug Abuse Violations. U.S. Department of Justice: Washington, DC.'

'Drunk driving costs Americans more than $50 billion each year in economic losses.'

http://www.californiadrunkdrivinglaw...ngOverview.cfm

You said yourself that possession is a fine. 70% of the prison population are not in prison for possession...they are there for criminal activity...because they were drug users...including pot...of course some are there for being dealers. 70% is not my number BTW. It is you that need to educate yourself about the composition of the inmate population.

Have another drink and turn on the news.

You use no facts or intelligence only opinions and message board theology.

I let the number speak for themselves.

I would think that more often than not, "being dealers" just means they had more than an ounce on them. I recently got charged with distribution in a school zone when I was doing no such thing, didn't even have knowledge of the marijuana in my car and had no packaging or weighing materials. I also had only a few dollars in cash on me. Anyone who smokes knows that an ounce really isn't all that much pot.

Ignorance and alcohol, its whats for dinner.

:1orglaugh

And they do not ususally...if ever...go to prison for being arrested for possession of marijuana...unless the amount in their possession quailifies them as being dealers. They may go to jail...but jail is not prison.

Yeah unless it's mandatory minimums in a school zone. Even if you get caught outside a school zone if it's your first offense you'll just get probation.

But lumping marijuana into the "causes of drug related crime" is pretty weak. It's like making alcohol illegal cause winos snatch purses for bottles of cheap vodka.

Canada is a great country, If ever I had to move from the US--i'd move to Canada. Good review, Sleazy. Well composed.

It is not that weak...because it is difficult for users of drugs...including those that use pot...to find employment...thus they resort to crime...in order to survive. I suspect this applies to pot users on a lesser scale than for those that use hardcore drugs...but they are still part of the mix.

so you're saying the real problem is drug testing then.. Otherwise the 90% of people who only socially use drugs but would still show up on a test would be able to find a job.

ps reply to my thread.

Sleazy. . . I think that review was fair and honest to what you know to be true... but I suggest you read this book. Its written by a statistician and economist John Lott.

MORE GUNS, LESS CRIME

It was published a few years ago. It will open your eyes as its the only work of its kind. No philosophical mumbo jumbo. Just facts. Statistics.

The conclusion of the work is obviously the title of it.

if i lived in the country, i might consider buying a gun. i'd use it to take care of the occasional rattlesnake or rabid animal.

other than that. nope. no gun. not ever.

Drug testing is a definite problem for those that are seeking employment.

some just believe in the right to take away another persons life when the circumstances makes it legal to do so (a break-in etc.).
they would do it cuz they can. i dont think u can make those people give up on guns, guns that are specifically designed to kill other human beings.

no they don't Spunky.. where are you getting your info from, Sean Hannity or something?

http://www.nationmaster.com/graph-T/...-1&id=nz&id=us

New Zealand, like the USA,
is a democratic english-speaking mostly-christian country.

You are 5 times more likely to be murdered in the USA,
where there are few restrictions on purchasing handguns,
than in New Zealand where there are heavier restrictions.

People in NZ still own guns, mostly shotguns and rifles,
for hunting and home protection (despite few home invasions);
the difference is you can't carry a rifle around 24/7
concealed under your coat ready for your next arguement.
:BangBang:

NZ also has 1/3rd fewer rapes, and 2/3 fewer robberies.
(per capita)
Interestingly, NZ still has almost as many assaults as the US.
Proving that people are no less violent :winkwink: only that violence is
less likely to result in death, due to fewer guns. Guys end up
drinking at the pub after a fight, instead of dead / in jail.

no blacks, no mexicans. silly pinkos

The fact that many major cities is in the US have a population alone equal to or greater than the entire NZ population might contribute to that. No doubt if you have more people living in a concentrated area, you are bound to have more crime committed.

So you know, Australia has banned just about every gun in the world. Unless you want a little water pistol you are out of luck. Since undertaking the 'Gun Buyback Scheme' violent crime, murders and shootings have increased.

it's harder to kill someone with a knife.

japan has much more dense population than the US, and much much less crime..

I think the lack of US social structure probably has something to do with it.. people at the fringes aren't cared for as much as they are in other countries.. That's a price the US has decided to pay for it's economic dominance perhaps? only a theory anyway.

NZ has plenty of polynesians, and maori who cause a disproportionate amount of violent crime.

That's why per-capita statistics (such as those I posted) are important,
to balance the population factor. (# of crimes per 1000 people)
And houses in Auckland are built no futher apart than houses in Phoenix. :winkwink:


Exactly. If you are going to kill someone, don't be a pussy and do it from 15 feet away. Murder is personal. Act like it. Take responsibility. Get up close and be a part of it. Accept some risk. Otherwise, you're not ready for it.

Ohio is WAYYYY colder than where I live in Canada..........

"He who has two shirts should give one to he who has none". (The Bible)

Yes, but a greater percentage of those 1000 people you are comparing (in the US) would be sitauated in more densly populated areas.

UK is about as densely populated as the US, if not more.

Well perhaps the UK could be used as a comparison, I don't know. However, the differences between the US and NZ are great enough (in my opinion) to make it unwise to compare.