They're busy watching Fox, figuring out which country to invade next.

What is "ludicrous" is you saying that Japan was a "western civilization". FYI Japan has virtually zero resources...and does not even have the land resource to feed itself. Your are just plumb dumb...but apparently do not feel embarassed by your dumbness. I feel somewhat embarassed for you...and guilty at the same time. I really should not be as harsh as I am with the "mentally challenged".

Yay for idiots! :)

Anyways...

The idiots arguing who "won" the war w/ the axis powers in WWII need to STFU and fucking realize it was mutual.

Russia would not have won w/o the US supplies (this is a fact, and not arguable by sane people), and the split-front of the allied western front (this point is of course arguable). By all accounts, Russia would have fallen before the western front picked up had the US not been pumping resources upon resources into their country. Same goes for Britain, very good chance she would have fallen as well w/o the US supplies. The US was spending an insane amount of money far before Dec 7th.. And war material production was of course at very high levels.

That said..

We may (who really knows) all be speaking german or japanese right now if Russia didn't make the very painful sacrifices it did in just pure casualties and manpower. I have a lot of respect for russia because of that fact, and just find it rather sad what happened immediately after the war. Same goes to Britain, at a somewhat lesser extent. The average russian and british citizen made enormous sacrifices during the war, as did their armies.

So.. Without EACHOTHER, shit would have been a LOT DIFFERENT. I personally don't think the US would have fallen, just the whole uh.. oceans thing. But, that's a different discussion for a different day.

Just sick of seeing the same fucking arguments by both fanatical sides. "You all owe the US because we saved you!!!!", and "Fuck off US, you didn't do SHIT!! Russia did it all!". Screw you both, like I said it was mutually beneficial.

As for the topic at hand, who cares. The anti-US bashers will continue to make shit up and make mountains out of mole hills, and the folks that want to argue with them will argue right back. There is no end in site, and no one will convince the other side that they are "Wrong".

-Phil

ooooh!! You mean those "voices" are talking to you again eh? Told you to not stop taking your meds!

Aww. I'm all broken up about their rights.

I'm not the one that says we can make Iraq be just like Japan and Germany after world war II! 50 years ago! You live in a world where you THINK you are King and what you say actually happens! But that's only in your booze initiated dream sequences!

And if Japan is not considered "Western", what the fuck is it doing in the "great 8" economic powers then? Western doesn't mean geographical, it means WAY OF LIFE!

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Perfectly put, we have to let ignorant idiots be who don't know crap about the U.S., and choose to hate and talk out of their butt!:thumbsup

nicely put about WW2.

but anti-US people making things up? puhleaaze where are the WMD's dude? where are all the terrorist training camps? why is this costing more than you said?

they're pretty fucking simple questions.. btw for theking, bad intelligence is not an answer it's an excuse.

the once they find wmd then what is the next spin from the left.

A dangerous regime was taken out of power. Their inability to produce more weapons is the most important thing. Do you want to leave Saddam in power and let him develop nukes?

They addmited in 1995 they had anthrax, etc, but said they destroyed it. They arent the most honest people, so somehow I dont believe they did.

GFY ...
The educated of the world watched, witnessed and waited while we KNEW these things were and would occur.

You can not teach a population to hate for decades and NOT expect a problem. AND expect to be there for the same.

just because you think Bush et. al lied doesn't make you left, liberal or anything.

uh lack of WMD's isn't spin it's a fact so far.

who's to say what replaces him isn't going to be any more or less dangerous? at least he kept the fundamentalists at bay. Iraq could turn into another saudi arabia and actually become a direct terrorist threat rather than a maybe coulda shoulda if they passed wmd's they can't find on to bad guys threat.

or another Iran with an islamic revolution.

I actually thought they did have WMD's. I mean it's commonsense. But you know I'm thinking it's less and less likely. And even if they did have them instead of being in the contained hands of saddam - where are they now? in the hands of the lawless rabble or sold off to terrorists? the PRECISE PLACE WE WENT TO WAR TO STOP THEM FROM GOING????

Shut Ur mouth :boid :boid STUPID IDIOT

oh wow the war on terrorism is going swimmingly.. now Iran are parading missiles through Tehran with "We will crush America under our feet" on the side..

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...241/5ckad.html

I smoke cubans :smokin :glugglug

Not to me. That's like thinking only gold bars are real money and paper money isn't. Services are real.

What they don't tell you is that those pictures are from the 25th annual "We will crush America" parade.

you wish.

theking owns you guys on historical matters.

Hello, Japan is part of EASTERN society.

Japan has only very few natural resources and must import much of it's food and all of its oil (remember the role that oil played in WW II war in the Pacific).

Singapore is another state which virtually no natural resources but with one of the most developed markets in the world.

Are you kidding me? You think Iran's hate of the US is recent and a result of the "'war on terror"?

Wake up, man. Are you old enough to remember the American hostages. Do you know who Khomeini was?

What're you, like 18?

Mr. Muravchik explained current U.S. troubles as all part of a learning process. He noted that the U.S. had made foolish mistakes when it occupied Japan after World War II, including trying to replace Japanese traditional dances with American square dancing.

where did I say the hate of the US was new? I'll give you a clue. I didn't.. The war on terror is making them increasingly paranoid, they're upping the ante is all.

First, off. That picture was from an earlier parade to commemorate the war that ended in 1988. I'm guessing that picture is from 1998 then, the 10 ten year anniversary.

Here, I found this for you ...
"September 25, 1998 - A number of Iran?s missiles are publicly shown for the first time in a military parade commemorating the start of the Iran-Iraq war, including the Shehab-3. Some of the missiles had messages painted on their sides, including "Israel should be wiped off the map" and "the US can do nothing."

http://www.ceip.org/files/projects/n...letimeline.htm

I'm sorry but I don't see that Iran has upped the ante or that it is increasingly paranoid. They're just as paranoid as ever. They've been promising to destroy Israel for years, those missiles were designed years ago and American hatred has been appearing on the streets of Tehran for more than two decades.

I'd settle for a democracy like Turkey in 10 years. Then they'll be free to vote against our policies. ;-)

150 ballistic missiles

ok so from saying the 'US can do nothing'.. to 'we will crush america under our feet' is no change in feeling at all.....right :thumbsup

the majority of people in Iran have no ill-feeling to the US.. it's just these damn clerics who have a death grip on power there. It's my feeling that by scapegoating the country you're playing right into the hands of the clerics.

Clinton realised this and was working towards better relations with Iran, and the students were starting to get some leverage.. but now that is mostly undone

Uh huh ...

February 11, 1999

"Anti-American sentiment swept through Iran on Thursday as tens of thousands of people took to the streets commemorating 20 years of Islamic revolution.

In the capital Tehran, Iranians carrying banners and balloons burned American flags and chanted "God is great" and "Death to America". "

http://www.cnn.com/WORLD/meast/9902/...nniversary.01/

what people say on banners in the streets is a bit different from what the military put on missiles..

Sorry.. Shouldn't have said "make shit up", bad choice of words. Obviously some of the crap posted in the thread is, and that can be seen by any halfway intelligent person.

WMD's? Again, who cares. I think it was lame that Bush felt the NEED to attempt to justify a war on something that IMO they knew was a toss up of them finding. They played the odds figuring they'd find something, and maybe get saddamm to use them during the invasion, etc. as I'm SURE those in the KNOW probably felt was REALLY going to happen (I don't buy most conspiracy theories. I'm a firm believer in never chalk up to malice what you can chalk up to stupidity). They also knew there was a chance what did happen, could happen. Were there other motives? Of course. But I honestly believe the primary objective was to remove saddam, and get rid of a longstanding "problem area" which happened to have known terrorist groups operating within it (whether sanctioned by the government or not).

Are folks denying that Saddam was going to say "naw, the surrender agreement I signed says I can't" when given the chance to develop a nuclear weapon? Yeah right. IMO America shouldn't have knuckled under to the EU/whomever (hey, outdates me a bit. :) ) during the first iraq war. We should have finished the job the right way then.

I am VERY ashamed of my country for what it did to the Iraqi people back then. Promising to help them out, and getting them to show popular support for regime change, and then sitting back and going "oh sorry, our "allies" think that we shouldn't escalate more than we have to.. I know we SAID we were going to help you out.. But.... Oh well.". Bush and everyone else involved with that decision I will never forgive. When we make a fucking promise, I expect it to be carried through, especially something where people are directly risking their lives on our word. I mean, this is elementary school stuff you learn.

I don't agree with much US policy when it comes to the mid east. I say leave the fuck alone. But since we got in there, it's time to clean up our mess. Everyone calling for the US to pull out of Iraq is just not thinking clearly. I could care less if you agree with the reasons, or the initial war, whatever. But what's done is done. I'm getting real worried all this "World sentiment" will pressure the US into pulling out prematurely, and guess what will happen then? Iraq will be worse off than before, worse daily conditions for their people, and probably another saddam (if not actually him). We now have a responsibility to build that country up to the best of our abilities, and at least attempt to show these people that while we make mistakes, we have good intentions at heart. I know the anti-US folks will sit there and say all Americans are evil, and we just wanted to steal their oil, and have our 51st state, etc. But quite honestly if you lived here, and talked with everyday folks nothing could be further from the truth. Everyone hopes our leaders "do right" by the people of Iraq, and this is why there isn't insane popular uprising against the 100 quadrillion dollars this is costing.

I dunno. I'm just real worried this will be a repeat of '91.. If that turns out to be the case, a whole new generation of people in Iraq and it's neighboring countries will grow up hating the US, and most of it actually justifiable.


Damnit, I got drew in. :) I'm tired as shit.. Time for bed.

-Phil

I agree with Phil21, this time it needs to be followed through and ended. If we buckle under the pressure of anti-war and anti-Americans, it will cause a worse situation than what was already in place. Like walking away from a fire, while there's still flames. By the time you are a mile down the road, it will have engulfed the whole neighborhood.

Regardless of if WMD ever existed or if/when they surface, it doesn't matter now. A tyrant and his regime were taken out of power and if you think this was wrong, you obviously side with the enemy. Saddam was the world's enemy, not just a personal vendetta for Bush Jr. What it comes down to is greed and how much money you think it's going to cost (you). Most of the anti-war people are more pissed off about the costs, than the casualties. Then have the nerve to say, "we wanted their oil". If we wanted their oil and to own their country, it could have already been done. When the smoke clears, people with any sense of decency and brain power will see the moral to this story.

Pretty convenient....

G.W.Bush: Sorry guys, hehehe, I lied, but it isn't about a BJ, so no need to impeach....

G.W.Bush: You are either WITH US, or AGAINT us ...

Furious_Female, you graduated to the next level: stupidity.

if Bush knows ANYTHING about Hitler, it must be from the movies :glugglug

Show some respect. Her name is Condoleezza.

what's the problem? Are we short of money for ovens?
I'll gladly pay for them.
nothin' says "good cookin" like a few fried towel heads.

Flaunting the US flags on ...

( didn't the nazis do that also ???)

http://image.guardian.co.uk/sys-imag.../guantan64.jpg

fucking homos :ak47: