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slapass · 09-19-2003, 10:12 AM

We are both US based so that helps but they are in a different city and it is for about 2k.

A. I fly there and go through small claims court (if they have one).

B. I have a collection agency I use but not keen on saying this porn site owes me money. And they take 40%.

C. Contact a lawyer in that town.

Anyone else ever done this and what is the best way to do it. Don't say ignore it as I am not built that way.

detoxed · 09-19-2003, 10:13 AM

You havent told the situation, but you would probably lose in court.

slapass · 09-19-2003, 10:14 AM

Well the situation is they owe me the money and they say they owe me the money so that part is pretty cut and dry.

wsjb78 · 09-19-2003, 10:16 AM

What did you do that the sponsor won't pay?

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Rinaldo · 09-19-2003, 10:18 AM

that wont work... you'll lose in court... that " he said sh said shit" only works on TV like the people's court... apply to go on their.. they give each of you 2,000 and the loser uses that money to pay the winner... and they put you up there for a few days till they fit you in the filming schedule... a friend of mine went on there and asked me to go as a witness... the witnesses dont get paid though

gregtx · 09-19-2003, 10:18 AM

only one gonna win on that is the lawyer..

unless you represent yourself in small claims court...

Corleone · 09-19-2003, 10:22 AM

call a hitman

slapass · 09-19-2003, 10:25 AM

Hitman is out. I would not look good in fire engine red lipstick trying to fight off my cell mate.

ok so this is a rare deal evidently.

TheSenator · 09-19-2003, 10:56 AM

ok...here it is

If you are going to sue, do not sue for $2000.00.

Sue for $50,000 and file all your papers in your county not their county.

The crime did not happen in their town it happen on the Internet.
So, basically you can file your claim anywhere in the U.S.

Make sure all your paper work is in order and have a lawyer who is familiar with the Internet and can understand Internet lingo.
Hammer away at least 10,000 pages of documents detailing eveything you ever did. Print out HTML code, C++ Code, Perl Code and anykind of code you can just keep writing shit down.

When he gets served with papers he will try to call you....whatever you do .....do not talk to him redirect him to your lawyer. At this point, he will be willing to settle out of court. Don't stop there keep on adding charges and negotiate through your lawyer.

This is an entry technique that is pretty reliable when dealing with scumbags who are cheap and don't pay.

Gemini · 09-19-2003, 11:03 AM

Contact the local DA as well as the State AG. See if there is a way they will work with you. Odds are the company shafted more than one which goes in your favor. At the very least, if you can back your claims there are odds they will send an investigator out and pull records if they feel the need.

slapass · 09-19-2003, 11:07 AM

cool that I can do it locally! Thanks for the help.

Kimmykim · 09-19-2003, 11:09 AM

You would need to read their TOS again carefullly before you file anything. If the terms specify a location for settling disputes (which most of them do) then it would do you no good whatsoever to file something outside of the jurisdiction.

NBDesign · 09-19-2003, 11:11 AM

Never done it to a sponsor.. but I have had to turn a client over to collections... what a fucking nightmare. 20% plus court fees if it goes that far... and it did.

So, now I am in a court battle with this client, it has been over a year since they went delinquent and my court date is not until December something.. all for 1700.00. But sometimes it's a matter of principle and not money.

slapass · 09-19-2003, 11:44 AM

What a pain in the butt this is. Thanks again for all the good info.

WiredGuy · 09-19-2003, 12:45 PM

Honestly, you're probably SOL.... read their terms and see if you're forced into a specific jurisdiction and more importantly, check the reason they gave for termination. Anything related to fraud or spam, they're the ones who hold all the evidence and they won't share it unless forced to go to court. But honestly, for an amount of 2k or so, I'd just absorb it and move on, it's not worth getting a lawyer but small claims court may be a route to go, I've never tried that.

WG

Johny Traffic · 09-19-2003, 12:51 PM

You have two choices.

Choice 1: listen to people on webmaster boards

Choice 2: Get proper advise from a real layer

Danny_C · 09-19-2003, 01:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johny Traffic
You have two choices.

Choice 1: listen to people on webmaster boards

Choice 2: Get proper advise from a real layer

What are you talking about? We're all attorneys here.

Johny Traffic · 09-19-2003, 01:07 PM

Quote:

What are you talking about? We're all attorneys here.

you would think so wouldnt you

TondaB · 09-19-2003, 01:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Johny Traffic
You have two choices.

Choice 1: listen to people on webmaster boards

Choice 2: Get proper advise from a real layer

A real layer is your best bet!

EscortBiz · 09-19-2003, 01:46 PM

lawyer with adult industry experience, its a different ball game in many ways, take it from someone who collected over $500,000 bucks on behalf of webmasters

slapass · 09-19-2003, 01:50 PM

Of course I would do choice 2 hehe. But always nice to start moving with a plan based on some real life experience. I use some good attournies but I have also met crap ones and in this case I am likely to have as much info as he/she is.

WG thanks. I was not termed. I am still in good standing just not paid.

WiredGuy · 09-19-2003, 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by slapass
WG thanks. I was not termed. I am still in good standing just not paid.

That's odd, you just didn't get paid for one specific pay period or something? If you weren't terminated it just sounds like an accounting issue where contacting them would fix it.

WG

slapass · 09-19-2003, 01:54 PM

EB I wish you were single.
Looks like Jolie (I am hoping Angelina but who knows.)
Runs a succssful Program or several.
Had serious bucks in the market so probably still does.
Smart as hell.

and oh yeah way the fuck outta my league.

You have a name or number of that attourny?

slapass · 09-19-2003, 01:56 PM

ibe am a contact fiend. i used to a landlord and I still am in commercial so I am not shy about asking for my money.

TheSenator · 09-19-2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
You would need to read their TOS again carefullly before you file anything. If the terms specify a location for settling disputes (which most of them do) then it would do you no good whatsoever to file something outside of the jurisdiction.

TOS are absolutely bullshit.

Even written contracts are bullshit.

You can dispute "TOS" in your hometown.

The TOS would have to be written absolutely perfect and witness by a person who verified you understood everything.

Just because the TOS says, "we hold the right to terminate without pay" can be disputed in your local court.

09-19-2003, 10:12 AM	#1
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	Sueing a sponsor? We are both US based so that helps but they are in a different city and it is for about 2k. A. I fly there and go through small claims court (if they have one). B. I have a collection agency I use but not keen on saying this porn site owes me money. And they take 40%. C. Contact a lawyer in that town. Anyone else ever done this and what is the best way to do it. Don't say ignore it as I am not built that way.

09-19-2003, 10:18 AM	#6
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09-19-2003, 11:03 AM	#10
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WiredGuy Pounding Googlebot Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Canada Posts: 34,509	Honestly, you're probably SOL.... read their terms and see if you're forced into a specific jurisdiction and more importantly, check the reason they gave for termination. Anything related to fraud or spam, they're the ones who hold all the evidence and they won't share it unless forced to go to court. But honestly, for an amount of 2k or so, I'd just absorb it and move on, it's not worth getting a lawyer but small claims court may be a route to go, I've never tried that. WG __________________ I play with Google.

09-19-2003, 10:13 AM	#2
detoxed vip member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 17,798	You havent told the situation, but you would probably lose in court.

09-19-2003, 10:14 AM	#3
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	Well the situation is they owe me the money and they say they owe me the money so that part is pretty cut and dry.

09-19-2003, 10:16 AM	#4
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09-19-2003, 10:18 AM	#5
Rinaldo Confirmed User Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: South Florida Posts: 5,086	that wont work... you'll lose in court... that " he said sh said shit" only works on TV like the people's court... apply to go on their.. they give each of you 2,000 and the loser uses that money to pay the winner... and they put you up there for a few days till they fit you in the filming schedule... a friend of mine went on there and asked me to go as a witness... the witnesses dont get paid though

09-19-2003, 10:22 AM	#7
Corleone C.R.E.A.M Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 15,262	call a hitman

09-19-2003, 10:25 AM	#8
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	Hitman is out. I would not look good in fire engine red lipstick trying to fight off my cell mate. ok so this is a rare deal evidently.

09-19-2003, 10:56 AM	#9
TheSenator Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: NJ Posts: 13,340	ok...here it is If you are going to sue, do not sue for $2000.00. Sue for $50,000 and file all your papers in your county not their county. The crime did not happen in their town it happen on the Internet. So, basically you can file your claim anywhere in the U.S. Make sure all your paper work is in order and have a lawyer who is familiar with the Internet and can understand Internet lingo. Hammer away at least 10,000 pages of documents detailing eveything you ever did. Print out HTML code, C++ Code, Perl Code and anykind of code you can just keep writing shit down. When he gets served with papers he will try to call you....whatever you do .....do not talk to him redirect him to your lawyer. At this point, he will be willing to settle out of court. Don't stop there keep on adding charges and negotiate through your lawyer. This is an entry technique that is pretty reliable when dealing with scumbags who are cheap and don't pay.

09-19-2003, 11:07 AM	#11
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	cool that I can do it locally! Thanks for the help.

09-19-2003, 11:09 AM	#12
Kimmykim bitchslapping zebras!!!!! Industry Role: Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: In a shack by the beach Posts: 16,015	You would need to read their TOS again carefullly before you file anything. If the terms specify a location for settling disputes (which most of them do) then it would do you no good whatsoever to file something outside of the jurisdiction.

09-19-2003, 11:44 AM	#14
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	What a pain in the butt this is. Thanks again for all the good info.

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09-19-2003, 01:50 PM	#21
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	Of course I would do choice 2 hehe. But always nice to start moving with a plan based on some real life experience. I use some good attournies but I have also met crap ones and in this case I am likely to have as much info as he/she is. WG thanks. I was not termed. I am still in good standing just not paid.

09-19-2003, 01:54 PM	#23
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	EB I wish you were single. Looks like Jolie (I am hoping Angelina but who knows.) Runs a succssful Program or several. Had serious bucks in the market so probably still does. Smart as hell. and oh yeah way the fuck outta my league. You have a name or number of that attourny?

09-19-2003, 01:56 PM	#24
slapass Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Earth Posts: 14,625	ibe am a contact fiend. i used to a landlord and I still am in commercial so I am not shy about asking for my money.