All the Hate around me

[SleazyDream]

I really don't like having all this hate around me now. I'm getting tons of icqs telling me to keep going.......but I just don't like the whole direction this is taking.


For the record (as I have ALWAYS said)- I think Choker is a smart guy and has a good business. Like ANY and MOST EVERY business some of his clients and traffic sources are better than others.

I just think he personally can be a REAL IDIOT and ASSHOLE.


Pichunter - well you folks make up your own minds there.

[Lane]

yea, some morons like to be hated though

glad to hear, u're not one

[Digipimp]

Hate isn't always a bad thing. If you weren't doing something right no one would hate you ever.

[brand0n]

i dont hate anyone man, best of luck to you and yours, and every venture you take

[theking]

Ahhh...shucks.

[Speedy26]

I just want to be loved

[Spunky]

I personally think Pichunter is throwing his money away.Perhaps he is trying to bluff you ? I wouldn't worry too much about it.Just normal drama on GFY and any judge would throw that out. Countersue

Keep going Sleazy. People will always either love or hate you.

I've had to deal with it, and I'm sure everybody else has. Everything will pass.

[gornyhuy]

Can'ts we all just gets along?

[Jimbo]

I respect those who respect me

so I respect you Sleazy

[MetaMan]

chokers traffic is crap, its good for productivity, a hitbot could be good for productivity, i would never even think about buying from their again what crap.

[DaLord]

Originally posted by SleazyDream

Like ANY and MOST EVERY business some of his clients and traffic sources are better than others.

That's not exactly how you said it... Will see if I can find your quote on his clients.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by DaLord


That's not exactly how you said it... Will see if I can find your quote on his clients.

I'll quote if for you.

First - CHOKER said

"You know Sleazy, I would be willing to bet money that 25 to 40% of your traffic is FAKE."

then I said

" Oh right -the little (suspcious) sites that you deal with. Why are you always so worried about hit bots? I'd be willing to bet it's cause you got nothing but mostly hitbot cheaters using your network...........you deal with mostly the lowest of the low sites. sites that have 400K and are only 3 months old. "



we both said "bet" - that cancels out.

Choker said "is"

I said "mostly"


BIG DIFFERENCE

reference thread
http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...pagen umber=2


and you wnder why I think choker on a personal basis is an Asshole and an IDIOT?

look at the sites he lists that post all his galleries. some are GREAT long term stable sites, but most noone has ever HEARD of.
I posted out of what <b>I saw with my OWN eyes on CHOKER's site.</b>

I'd be willing to bet choker posted what he did only because Gotys told him so on ICQ. As there's no way he could have sceen any stats on my server with his own eyes, the <b>bullshit he's saying about me is gossip</b> based and from the mouth of someone else, not from his own eyes on my own site.

[gotys]

You know why I don't like you sleazy?

a) you yap about things about which you have no clue

b) if someone is a better bussiness man then you, you attack them only for that reason

c) you can't stand the fact that your site is crap and is going down day by day. You watch your profits go down the drain and you blame the better webmasters, attacking them on this board spreading shit lies about them


3 simple things.. I am not even gonna go deep into your pride-issues and paranoia psychological problems, allthought, I told you long time ago you should get treated for that.


One more thing to the people who keep saying I can't spell:
a) I don't check my spelling when I post here, I am not writing a fucking essay here
b) I am not a freaking American who lived here for 25 years. I want to see all of you who attacked my spelling writing posts in other languages, let's see how well will you spell

And another thing for those who are kissing Sleazy's ass blindly:
You are only hurting yourself. This man will not help you, ever. He knows nothing about this bussiness and he certainly will not throw money at you for no reason, not even for kissing his ass.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by gotys


And another thing for those who are kissing Sleazy's ass blindly:
You are only hurting yourself. This man will not help you, ever. He knows nothing about this bussiness and he certainly will not throw money at you for no reason, not even for kissing his ass.

does this mean you're planning to throw money blindly at people?

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by gotys

b) if someone is a better bussiness man then you, you attack them only for that reason

c) you can't stand the fact that your site is crap and is going down day by day.

<img src=http://www.sleazydream.com/banners/rank.jpg>

[WiredGuy]

Originally posted by gotys
And another thing for those who are kissing Sleazy's ass blindly:
You are only hurting yourself. This man will not help you, ever. He knows nothing about this bussiness and he certainly will not throw money at you for no reason, not even for kissing his ass.

He bought me drinks in Montreal after we got cutoff. That seems to be throwing money to me for no reason. And as for him not knowing anything, I've seen him speak and I like his business model. We have nothing to benefit each other but I do believe in his principles and business model. Scott's a great guy in my book.

WG

[DaLord]

Well if just you two can figure it out... I don't care much about all this.

It doesn't mean a site is a cheater or should be considered pathetic just because it's not known to everyone. A program can be a success if even smaller sites share their traffic with whatever program it might be, in my opinon.

2 years ago while I was still posting galleries I actually got much better traffic from the smaller sites.

But all this is pretty entertaining

Mike

[SomeCreep]

Never slam someone if you dont have too. Its always better to compliment someone rather than criticize them.

[gotys]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


<img src=http://www.sleazydream.com/banners/rank.jpg>

I can't believe you actually save screenshots of ranks , and you keep them for many months!! That's really hurting my belly now..

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by DaLord
Well if just you two can figure it out... I don't care much about all this.

It doesn't mean a site is a cheater or should be considered pathetic just because it's not known to everyone. A program can be a success if even smaller sites share their traffic with whatever program it might be, in my opinon.

2 years ago while I was still posting galleries I actually got much better traffic from the smaller sites.

But all this is pretty entertaining

Mike

I won't disagree with you at all. In fact I'll agree with you totally there. You made some VERY VERY good points.

but I will ask this - what's your opinion on sites that are 3 months old and suddenly have 300K uniques on them?

[psyko514]

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by gotys


I can't believe you actually save screenshots of ranks , and you keep them for many months!! That's really hurting my belly now..

i had to - you took your counter off.

how come you took the counter off?

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by psyko514

thanks dude - that made my night

[psyko514]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


thanks dude - that made my night

always willing and able to please

[Lane]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


I won't disagree with you at all. In fact I'll agree with you totally there. You made some VERY VERY good points.

but I will ask this - what's your opinion on sites that are 3 months old and suddenly have 300K uniques on them?

i hear they dont convert shit

[gotys]

Does this do anything for you Scott? huh?

[DaLord]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


I won't disagree with you at all. In fact I'll agree with you totally there. You made some VERY VERY good points.

but I will ask this - what's your opinion on sites that are 3 months old and suddenly have 300K uniques on them?

I know both Sandman, Jenny and Justsexxx can build those sites in a heartbeat. They can even do it within 3-4 weeks.

Those sites can never be as solid and steady in the beginning as an older site because it's all about checking your trade script minute by minute to make sure it grows and grows and grows. But if just 2 or 3 of your trades fuck up you'll see your stats go down pretty fast.

There are no bookmarkers to help you if something goes wrong on your way up. You don't know what kind of surfers you got on your site so you can not focus your advertising. That's just some of the issues.

The 300k sites are big sites. I of course don't think they cheat but I don't think they make a lot of money either.

[MetaMan]

i like pussy.org much better,
" ya metaman pussy.org rules "

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by DaLord



The 300k sites are big sites. I of course don't think they cheat but I don't think they make a lot of money either.

forgive me for asking but why is it in your opinion that they don't make money?

[DaLord]

Btw... I'm not on anyones side. Just my opinion about all this.


Mike

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by DaLord
Btw... I'm not on anyones side. Just my opinion about all this.


Mike

I'm not asking you to take ANYONE's side - I hope it's ok if I do ask for clairty on your opinions though?

if not say so

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by gotys


Does this do anything for you Scott? huh?

nice photoshop.

one site is missing though - as hun, worldsex and voyerweb have always been bigger than me.

[gotys]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


nice photoshop.
....

exactely, thank you

[DaLord]

Originally posted by SleazyDream


forgive me for asking but why is it in your opinion that they don't make money?

Because they don't know how to focus their advertising.

I've seen sites that heads for 300k in 3 weeks trade with just about everything. Cum sites, Teen sites, mature sites, ect. It's just one big mess of traffic, not filtered in any way. The site of course looks big but the loads of different types of traffic is useless in my opinion because they just get booted out to random galleries which the surfer probaly don't care about anyway.

In my opinion

I'm not the worlds biggest trade wizard. I mostly own webmaster sites but at least it's MY opinion

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by DaLord


Because they don't know how to focus their advertising.

I've seen sites that heads for 300k in 3 weeks trade with just about everything. Cum sites, Teen sites, mature sites, ect. It's just one big mess of traffic, not filtered in any way. The site of course looks big but the loads of different types of traffic is useless in my opinion because they just get booted out to random galleries which the surfer probaly don't care about anyway.

In my opinion

I'm not the worlds biggest trade wizard. I mostly own webmaster sites but at least it's MY opinion

ok, hope you don't mind if I expand on this a bit. I'm looking for some clarity and I'm not trying to be bad to you.

I know MANY MANY big TGPs that are PRECISLY a mess of traffic. Cum sites, teen sites, mature, etc. One example would be thehun.net - it's HUGLY profitable and lists EVERY kind of niche you can imagine. And people say they make money in most every niche on there. I don't think you would question this.


so that being said - assuming you don't question what I mentioned above - your answer doesn't make sense to me?

[Theo]

i think DonovanPhillips did the best post some days ago.

All three of you, SD,Choker and Gotys fail to see that you have built and operate different business models and you end up for minor reasons to accuse eachother.

[DaLord]

You could be right or... wrong... I really only have my idea about why I filter my traffic.

BUT... now I really have to sleep. Too much work and not enough golf.

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by DaLord
You could be right or... wrong... I really only have my idea about why I filter my traffic.

BUT... now I really have to sleep. Too much work and not enough golf.

god I hate it when this happens.........

[Bake]

Hey Sleazy if it starting to occupy to much of your thoughts let it go its not worth the trouble. 99% of the guys on this board would sell there mother to have your traffic and envy is a ugly thing. Kick back have a beer and look at the money roll in for while. Thats what I do.

[4Pics]

golf rules!!

[SleazyDream]

Originally posted by Bake
Hey Sleazy if it starting to occupy to much of your thoughts let it go its not worth the trouble. 99% of the guys on this board would sell there mother to have your traffic and envy is a ugly thing. Kick back have a beer and look at the money roll in for while. Thats what I do.

wize words

[SomeCreep]

Sleazy, be more like Shemp, everyone loves him. Know why? He doesnt ever go around projecting a superior ego. He's cool and friendly with other webmasters and doesnt slam anyone (Even when he gets slammed, EVERYONE comes to his defense so he doesnt need to slam anyone). Be like that and you will find the hate around you gradually fade away and not come back.

[Voodoo]

Originally posted by gotys
You know why I don't like you sleazy?

a) you yap about things about which you have no clue

b) if someone is a better bussiness man then you, you attack them only for that reason

c) you can't stand the fact that your site is crap and is going down day by day. You watch your profits go down the drain and you blame the better webmasters, attacking them on this board spreading shit lies about them


3 simple things.. I am not even gonna go deep into your pride-issues and paranoia psychological problems, allthought, I told you long time ago you should get treated for that.


One more thing to the people who keep saying I can't spell:
a) I don't check my spelling when I post here, I am not writing a fucking essay here
b) I am not a freaking American who lived here for 25 years. I want to see all of you who attacked my spelling writing posts in other languages, let's see how well will you spell

And another thing for those who are kissing Sleazy's ass blindly:
You are only hurting yourself. This man will not help you, ever. He knows nothing about this bussiness and he certainly will not throw money at you for no reason, not even for kissing his ass.

Libel, libel, libel, libel, libel and of course libel.

[Doctor Dre]

Originally posted by DaLord


I know both Sandman, Jenny and Justsexxx can build those sites in a heartbeat. They can even do it within 3-4 weeks.

Those sites can never be as solid and steady in the beginning as an older site because it's all about checking your trade script minute by minute to make sure it grows and grows and grows. But if just 2 or 3 of your trades fuck up you'll see your stats go down pretty fast.

There are no bookmarkers to help you if something goes wrong on your way up. You don't know what kind of surfers you got on your site so you can not focus your advertising. That's just some of the issues.

The 300k sites are big sites. I of course don't think they cheat but I don't think they make a lot of money either.

Jenny and I started sites b4 . And btw ... it's not in matter of week it's in matter of days... first day = 50k 2nd = 100k etc up to 300-400k . Xapster wasn't bad at it too .

Thoses are TRADING tgps sleazy . They grow fast but they go down fast too because of low bookmarkers and need constant work on the design

[StuartD]

It seems, at least on this board, that your level of success and popularity is directly proportional to the number of haters that give you any attention.

If you want to be successful at all, and post here.... you sort of have to deal with the haters. It just comes with the territory.

At least some people recognize this are willing to put on their mental "ignore" options to those people and weed out the BS and take issues and people as they are... issues and people. The hate is just one of the wonderful extras that comes with every meal.

Sleazy, hang tough man... the haters will always be there in one form or another. Luckily they don't influence those of us with any shred of common sense.

[SixNine]

Scott you and I are down like 4 flat tires.
PicHunter we're kewl too. Sucks to see you cats arguing. If you think Scott is an asshole you must not have ever met him, and only know his board persona. He's just a dude trying to make a buck like the rest of us.

Anyhoo... you cock lovers need to hug.

SixNine

[Centurion]

Originally posted by Digipimp
Hate isn't always a bad thing. If you weren't doing something right no one would hate you ever.

Bobby Kennedy used to say something to that effect when he was running for President back in 1968. I think what he said was "If no one hates you, you know you're not doing something right."

[quiet]

not that much hate, really...

[Toni]

At the end all that fighting is just losing time and money! It brings nothing to anyone except to the GFY audience that can?t await to get some entertainment!