Pretty much nailed it...as usual. :)

Having an opinion and having a hook to hang it on do not always correlate.

Yea.. they said that about the roman empire too... Where is it now?

Sorry... the bigger they are... the harder they fall...

If you think the little george is not capable of ruining this country... where have you been for the last 3 years?

Sorry, hon... it can happen...

(ok, the Roman Empire is not a 3rd world country... but it fell and it fell hard... )

Had a thought on this technology thing and why it would not be so damaging for technology to be taken away from our society...

there were people before all this technology? and there will be people if it should ever leave us. we grew our own vegetables, raised ouw own cattle, sheep, pork, etc.... And if we needed to... we could do it again.

Granted I just skimmed the article... so this may not even pertain to this comment you wrote... Just wanted to get this off my chest.

:winkwink:

I'd say the opposite is true.

Rome didn't fall in a day. From it's founding as a Republic until Caesar was about 500 years. It was another 400 years before it split into a Western and Eastern Empire. That's 900 years. The City of Rome was founded another few hundred years before the birth of the Republic. The Eastern Empire continued on as the Byzantine Empire until the 15th century.

The US will likely sit on top of the global power game until a highly populated nation can urbanize, industrialize, and capitalize. There is no likely global competitor for at least the next 5o years and maybe not for another 100. Even so, we're more likely to see a return to a duel superpower world - or maybe a dual regional world - like from 1945 until 1990 than anything else.

Why is the US the dominant economic and military power today?
A large population (world's 3rd most populous), heavily industrialized, diverse markets, social capital and other social factors. A large European nation like Germany would require a per capita GDP more than three times the US' to equal the size of her economy.

What are the other populous countries? China, India, Indonesia, Brazil, Pakistan. These countries can force urbanization and industrialization when they are small and medium sized economies. It remains to see what will happen as they grow in size or what internal political pressures they will face as they transition to more modern states.

Japan is the world's second largest economy and is only 40% of the size of the US. Her population is less than half of the US population. Japan would require a per capita GDP twice that of the US to match economic size. In a time where per capita GDP worldwide is converging, that is not realistic.

Oh, yeah? It's being tried right now. Take a good hard look at Rwanda, Sri Lanka, and Uganda. What do you think of the results?

If you were born in 1900 you could expect to live to be about 50.
People born today can expect to live about 80 years. Technology, industry, science, progress.

Third World countries are Third World countries because they DON'T have technology and industry.

The world is much better today than it ever has been .. for those that live in modern nations.

I agree! :thumbsup

Not true... there are many countries where this is possible.

Yeah I should have been more specific. There are a lot of other countries that might be just as giving and opportunistic as the US. But where were those many other countries, when we asked for help? No comparison.

Huh?

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You don't know what you are talking about.

It's not something I'm proud of but my country, Australia, has fought side by side with you ungrateful bastards in EVERY SINGLE CONFLICT you have been engaged in since Australia became a nation in 1901. We are the ONLY country in the world that can claim this.

And even today we are still only a country of only 19 million people. A tiny population by world standards.

You should learn more about other countries before you start spouting off.

If you want to learn more you can start here: http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/conflict.htm

Why do you say "ungrateful"???

How dare you call us ungrateful.

FYI...Australia committed forces to assist with the invasion of Iraq.

All 7 of them.

I'm sleep deprived, I think it's time I nap lol

The SAS are among the best of the best Special Operation Forces in the world. You are dismissed yet again.

Furious_Female: "But where were those many other countries, when we asked for help?"

I have heard this kind of sentiment expressed by dozens of American posters many, many times and relating to virtually every conflict of the last 100 years. Quite frankly it's ignorant and it's irritating... and that's something quite separate from my personal political beliefs. It annoys me because it's wrong and blantly so.

Whether you agree with war or not and irrepespective of political views, a brief glance at Australia's military history shows that it is the one country the USA has been able to rely on as an ally in all conflicts since Australia became a soverign nation in 1901.

So when you Americans want to know where those other countries were when you aked for help you can go here and educate yourselves: http://www.awm.gov.au/atwar/conflict.htm

Ahh...do I detect a sign of...god forbid..."patriotism" here Joe?

Not really... blatant historical ignorance and distortion of the facts irritates me.

My brother is a Major in the Australian army and I am well aware of Australia's military history.

Another example: It seems to me that Americans are taught to believe that they won the Second World War single handedly. That's the impression I get from most US posters on GFY. But where would they have been without the Russians fighting the Germans on one front and the British on another. The Russians lost over 20 million miliary and civilians in WW2. Australians fought both in Europe and The Pacific during this time despite our tiny population. Northern Australia was bombed by the Japanese and we even had Japanese midget submarines in Sydney Harbour.

I'm just trying to set the record straight.

Speaking for myself...I am fully aware that the bulk of the German Army was arrayed against the Soviets. It was a joint effort...but a major contributer to the defeat of the Gemans was the American military industrial might...that supplied materials to all of the Allies involved...including the Soviets. Also while the Germans were fighting a two front war...actually three...so were the Americans.

All 7 of them!

You are a mental midget as usual.

And you would have to grow in brain power 10 fold to attain that level...dismissed.

Just go back to the bottle and keep on drinking in the room you rent in your mama's house will ya!

Since it's obvious you contribute nothing of consequence in the course of things that happen.

Thank you for your advice...but I have been drinking cold ones tonight...the bottle is usually for breakfast. FYI I do not rent a room...it is free of charge. Hmm...there was a thread tonight about abortion...it is apparent that you were not aborted...but it is a shame that you do not know who your father is. Keep searching though kid...don't give up hope.

Sorry it took so long to respond. I've been unusally busy. Anyway, here goes.
We did go after Bin Laden and Al Qaeda, and the search continues. I think the US can walk and chew gum at the same time. Searching for Bin Laden and taking out Saddam aren't mutually exclusive.

To be proactive you have to play the "What if" game. To prevent terrorism you must anticipate events before they happen. As I said before North Korea is desperate for money. They also likely don't have many nukes at this point. I doubt they would give away their meal ticket or sell it for less than another state could pay. The possiblities that I named were just that. Possiblities. There are many many more possiblities as well for a brutal mad man with billions who hates you. As far as Saddam and Al Qaeda not liking each other. People who distrust and dislike each other have been known to put differences aside to take on a common enemy.

Soo, a little off topic, but King in all of your infinite 12 yrs of service... when and where did you take your first enemy live fire?

1983...Grenada.

hahahaha

Did I ever tell you that you reminded me of my ex bf ?

Yes...I think I recall that. How are you tonight?

Drinking a sierra nevada and reading the board..:Graucho

My neck is worse..The therapist ( dumbass) only did about 5 sessions on it and my doctor wanted up to 6 weeks..

How are you ?

OK. About ready to hit the sack...I have some things to do today.

Yep.. I have to be up at 5 to sell at an auction..

zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

This, as well as alot of other threads created on the board have totally pushed GFY away from the type of board it was originally meant to be. What the fuck do the anti-american slanders coming from alot of you ungrateful bastards have to do being an "adult" webmaster?

Let's get back to the "Webmaster" topics and if you don't like the way OUR President is runnin' shit or the way of life in America is then you can simply get the fuck off of our soil and rant your bullshit elsewhere. I'd love to see some of ignorant fucks on GFY try living in some other piece of shit country. Perhaps the view of Army tanks in the morning is more appealing than this great country.

This thread is pointless and needs to be ended. Who are you guys to judge? Huh? Who? Be happy to be alive and well. Let's focus on making money which is why we're all here anyway.

I'm back fuckers!

- Mr. Fats aka Indoe


::: waves @ F_F ::: Hey Princess!

Oh, no. I agree with Joe Sixpack. I thought this day would never come.

Supplies.

Entering the war, the US was already the world's number one economic power in the world and became far and away the largest industrial power. Considering the vast number of supplies sent to Russia and Britain during the war, it can safely be said the outcome would have been in severe jeopardy and delayed for years if it could be won at all. How would Russian troops have made it to Berlin without 400,000 American trucks? The US supplied Russia with millions of tons of food, thousands of railway cars, half a million rails, vast amounts of copper, millions of tons of oil and gas, hundreds of ships, thousands of fighter planes and bombers, hundreds of thousands of machine guns, millions of tons of steels (enough to produce 70,000 tanks!), hundreds of thousands of tons of aluminum, and much more than that. ["The Second World War", Keegan]

The US sent even more to Britain, three times as much in dollar volume. By the end of the war 29% of British supplies were coming to the US.

Also important is that Britain sent much of her supplies to Russia.

Without US supplies, Russian troops would have been starving, fighting without ammunition after not too long and walking to Berlin.

That being said, your point is valid. Without an Eastern front there would have been a greater concentration of troops in the Atlantic coastal region and D Day might not have succeeded.

I think that the popular American view is as correct as yours. The Americans probably won the war by supplying everyone and the end of the war would have been delayed for many years without an Eastern front and eliminating the Japanese.

My own view is that Hitler would have lost eventually anyway. He made so many strategic errors as the war went on that he sealed his fate. That was Hitler. He would become obsessed with non-standard military views such as "never retreat" and hold to them even though it hurt his over-all position. His great generals
time and time again were overruled on what were probable winning strategies.

If people like theking and I didn't debate them they wouldn't say anything at all. Speaking for myself, I enjoy the debate. Sometimes I even learn a few new things ;-)

Who knows? Someday I might even do business with Joe Average Sixpack Citizen someday.

Couldn't agree more

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I think JoeSixpack is correct in that Americans are largely ungrateful towards their past and present allies.

I?m pretty sure this has to do with the fact that most Americans feels they would win the wars anyway. This is very likely true.

However there is absolutely no such thing as token support. When the British, Australian, Canadians, or any other historical allies spend their tax dollars and send their boys to die they are every bit as deserving of the respect we expect for our own troops and military.

Always remember that when the Japanese bombed Pearl harbor, Canada and Australia immediately declared war on Japan.