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theking 09-11-2003 11:50 PM

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Originally posted by Honeyslut


hehehe

I can't even imagine Bush having sex...

How about Laura?

rossiya2 09-12-2003 12:02 AM

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Originally posted by bringer


that'd be great
those people were fucktards
people complain now, but if anyother attack happens on US soil, they'll blame bush for not doing enough. now its too much, but then its not enough.

ps. michael moore :321GFY

How lame is an administration which pursues a bystander while Osama sits there making videos waving a red flag? The biggest fucking example of displacement in world history. They uh, got the wrong guy. At least now finally Iraq is a hotbed of terrorist activity, as Bush had claimed it was in 2002. After injecting copious amounts of Afghan smack now again circulating the world thanks to U.S. sponsored drug kingpin warlord liberators, one might say he demonstrated leadership of a sort.

Centurion 09-12-2003 12:39 AM

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Originally posted by darksoft


For your information, zeke, I wasn't a grunt nor was I a marine. I repaired these things called aerial surveillance systems. But I'm sure someone of your limited intelligence can't grasp the concept.

Where did I say I had a monopoly? What have you done to serve your country other than spouting useless drivel on an adult bbs? What contribution have you made to society other than provide laughter to the rest of us with your incessant rhetoric spewage?

Hey Bubba! So glad to hear you were a mechanic! I'm sure that's where you learned your keen insight into the geo-political state of the world!

Honeyslut 09-12-2003 12:43 AM

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Originally posted by theking


How about Laura?

nahhhhhh:1orglaugh

baddog 09-12-2003 12:45 AM

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Originally posted by AlienQ
Bush is a War Criminal.

He has violated the Geneva Convention on several different counts.

He needs to be relieved of his presidential duties and handed over to the United Nations War Crimes Tribunal.
That would be good for America.
That would be good for world peace.

No single man has the right to violate the agreed world governments laws established by the United Nations.

The United States President is by all definitions not only a war criminal but a brutal dictator in the making if not already. Bush has all the hallmarks of histories recorded dictators dating back almost 300 years.

damn you are ignorant. LM is Canadian, what is your excuse?

Centurion 09-12-2003 12:47 AM

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Originally posted by jas1552


I will make an attempt.

We were attacked on 9/11. We decided that it would be better in the future to be proactive rather than reactive. We know Saddam hates the US with a passion. Saddam was sitting on billions of dollars of oil. North Korea has developed nukes and is desperate for money. There is a chance Saddam could have bought a nuke from North Korea and given it to members of Al-Qaeda or some other islamic militants.

2 things are very apparent from your post:

The first: You started with we were attacked on 9/11. And we most definitely were. Why in the heck then didn't we go AFTER THE PEOPLE THAT ATTACKED US! It wasn't Saddam Hussein. It was Osama bin Laden and his henchmen! Somewhere along the line Bush goes "Yeah, Bin Laden attacked us..but I really hate that Saddam guy, and we KNOW where HE is, so let's blow the fuck out of his country!" And we did! But it did NOTHING..absoutely NOTHING at all to get us closer to getting the fuckers that attacked us on 9/11. It did NOTHING to make this country safer from attacks by Al-Qaeda.

The second thing that's evident in your post is that you like to play the "What if" game. What IF Saddam bought a nuke from North Korea and gave it to Al-Qaeda? That's just LAME! What's to stop North Korea then from just giving it DIRECTLY to Al-Qaeda? Why use Saddam as a middle man. Not to mention Hussein and Bin Laden HATE each other! One is secular, one is not!

Your whole case for attacking Iraq does NOT improve our security against terrorism and does not get us any closer to finding Osama Bin Laden. Yet all the pro-war people won't even talk about how we've all but given up the search for Bin Laden.

baddog 09-12-2003 12:48 AM

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Originally posted by bringer


that'd be great
those people were fucktards
people complain now, but if anyother attack happens on US soil, they'll blame bush for not doing enough. now its too much, but then its not enough.

ps. michael moore :321GFY

you said you were going to sleep last night so that your mind would be clear. . . . I see it did not help.

You were not alive then, so you do not know WTF you are talking about. Try limiting your discussions to things you have some knowledge of.

Centurion 09-12-2003 12:49 AM

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Originally posted by theking


Pretty good attempt. :thumbsup

In addition...forward looking...proactive strategic positioning...an attempt to change the face of the middle east...an extention of our declared war on terrorism...which some in the administration have said will be a ten year war and others have said up to thirty years.

You are so enamored with the term "proactive strategic positioning" which means FUCK! It's so meaningless that the U.S. is BEGGING the United Nations to come in and help bail the United States out of a bad situation. You call THAT strategic positioning with we are begging for help? Downright laughable!

Centurion 09-12-2003 12:52 AM

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Originally posted by theking


Maybe not but it is the ultimate service...putting your life on the line...instead of running your mouth.

It's a tired old line: I was in the military, and you weren't, so I'm far more patriotic and serving of my country than you are.

Talk about running your mouth..that's all you EVER talk about.

Centurion 09-12-2003 12:53 AM

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Originally posted by theking


:thumbsup again...and the job will be finished...no matter the cost in money, or lives, or time...unless at some point the American people take to the streets...in mass...as happened during the Vietnam conflict.

Or Bush is defeated in '04! A more plausible scenario as each day goes by.

theking 09-12-2003 12:59 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion


Hey Bubba! So glad to hear you were a mechanic! I'm sure that's where you learned your keen insight into the geo-political state of the world!

At least he has learned a few things and does have some insight...about which the same cannot be said for you.

Centurion 09-12-2003 12:59 AM

The bottom line for me is that for all the things the Pro-war group has talked about, "Hussein was a bad man", "Strategic positioning", "Hussein could have used wmds", no where do you ever definitively point out how this war knocked out the terrorist network of Osama Bin Laden and the people that attacked the United States on 9/11/01!

So until you do, please do not use the line about how much safer the United States is today from terrorism because we attacked Iraq.

theking 09-12-2003 01:02 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion


2 things are very apparent from your post:

The first: You started with we were attacked on 9/11. And we most definitely were. Why in the heck then didn't we go AFTER THE PEOPLE THAT ATTACKED US! It wasn't Saddam Hussein. It was Osama bin Laden and his henchmen! Somewhere along the line Bush goes "Yeah, Bin Laden attacked us..but I really hate that Saddam guy, and we KNOW where HE is, so let's blow the fuck out of his country!" And we did! But it did NOTHING..absoutely NOTHING at all to get us closer to getting the fuckers that attacked us on 9/11. It did NOTHING to make this country safer from attacks by Al-Qaeda.

The second thing that's evident in your post is that you like to play the "What if" game. What IF Saddam bought a nuke from North Korea and gave it to Al-Qaeda? That's just LAME! What's to stop North Korea then from just giving it DIRECTLY to Al-Qaeda? Why use Saddam as a middle man. Not to mention Hussein and Bin Laden HATE each other! One is secular, one is not!

Your whole case for attacking Iraq does NOT improve our security against terrorism and does not get us any closer to finding Osama Bin Laden. Yet all the pro-war people won't even talk about how we've all but given up the search for Bin Laden.

You will forever be doomed to have a small mind...with little comprehension...zero insight...and basically just plumb dumb.

theking 09-12-2003 01:05 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion


It's a tired old line: I was in the military, and you weren't, so I'm far more patriotic and serving of my country than you are.

Talk about running your mouth..that's all you EVER talk about.

No comprehension abilities. I bet the other kids made fun of that when you were in school...did you make it to the Sophomore level...before you dropped out in shame.

theking 09-12-2003 01:09 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion
The bottom line for me is that for all the things the Pro-war group has talked about, "Hussein was a bad man", "Strategic positioning", "Hussein could have used wmds", no where do you ever definitively point out how this war knocked out the terrorist network of Osama Bin Laden and the people that attacked the United States on 9/11/01!

So until you do, please do not use the line about how much safer the United States is today from terrorism because we attacked Iraq.

How many orders of fries did you serve today? You are dismissed yet once again...dumb ass.

Centurion 09-12-2003 01:12 AM

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Originally posted by theking


You will forever be doomed to have a small mind...with little comprehension...zero insight...and basically just plumb dumb.

Inability to dispute the argument, thus uses a dumb platitude.

NBDesign 09-12-2003 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female


I never claimed it was wonderful. I believe I said several times, war is devastating etc. I didn't say anywhere, that it should be GLORIFIED. I am saying, it is JUSTIFIED.

Yes, I was born in the US, I already know tax dollars come out of my pocket and I am already used to it. Didn't I say that as well? I don't have $87 billion dollars, but my share of debt to the government can go wherever they see fit. I don't have any control over that. And I'm not interested in trying to change that.

As far as what you and "others" think of our President, do nothing but twist circumstances to make the US look like the bad guy. No one asked for this situation. Of course many of you IGNORANT people would much prefer to ignore it and let our only recourse be "That's ok.... don't do it again :thumbsup "


How doest the war in Iraq have anything to do with 9/11? That was Bin Ladden and he is still alive and free... and might I point out.... NOT living in Iraq.

The Iraq war was for god knows what reason.. Your Wonderful presidet keeps changing the reason for this war.... One minute it's for the 9/11 (which they had nothing to do with), the next it's because of weapons of mass destruction, (none found), then it was because Saddam was a bad man and was killing his own people... Only GWB knows the reason for this war, I can only speculate.

As for him being a good president... well, he ran every busines he ever had control of into the ground, Texas has some of the poorest communities in the country.. and we elected this man president (i didn't vote for him)... how smart does that make us?

Please, how anyone can support this man is beyond me...

Centurion 09-12-2003 01:13 AM

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Originally posted by theking


No comprehension abilities. I bet the other kids made fun of that when you were in school...did you make it to the Sophomore level...before you dropped out in shame.

Inability to dispute the argument, thus attempts to riducule person about their past..but fails...AGAIN.

Centurion 09-12-2003 01:14 AM

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Originally posted by theking


How many orders of fries did you serve today? You are dismissed yet once again...dumb ass.

Inability to dispute the argument, so makes another bad attempt at ridicule. yawn

Rocky 09-12-2003 01:15 AM

i think everyone just needs a hug

http://www.rockyspornpalace.com/catfriends.JPEG

Centurion 09-12-2003 01:16 AM

And this makes 100 reasons why the war in Iraq is oh so wrong.

theking 09-12-2003 01:20 AM

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Originally posted by Centurion


Inability to dispute the argument, so makes another bad attempt at ridicule. yawn

Your painfully small minded comments have been disputed over and over and over again by me as well as others...you do not have an IQ high enough to comprehend. Your are dismissed.

NBDesign 09-12-2003 01:24 AM

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Originally posted by jas1552


I will make an attempt.

We were attacked on 9/11. We decided that it would be better in the future to be proactive rather than reactive. We know Saddam hates the US with a passion. Saddam was sitting on billions of dollars of oil. North Korea has developed nukes and is desperate for money. There is a chance Saddam could have bought a nuke from North Korea and given it to members of Al-Qaeda or some other islamic militants. Saddam had WMDs and WMD development programs, what he has done with them is anyones guess. Saddam started a war and agreed to terms to obtain a ceasefire. He didn't live up to those terms. Breaking the agreement alone was enough justification to end the ceasefire.

The war is costing many billions of dollars. How much would it cost if a nuke were detonated or other WMDs used in a US city? What are the odds of that happening? Are the odds of such a scenario high enough and the possible consequences bad enough to warrant the cost and effort of a war? Anyway, a decision had to be made. I believe the decision was made correctly as does the majority of the US population.

Ok... where are the WDM's?

Why arn't we going after N Korea? They are opening threating us?

Why has the hunt for Bin Ladden become 2nd priority when HE was the cause of 9/11?

Why do we keep pouring money into a country that does not want us there?

Why did we elect a president who cannot run a business let alone a country?

anyone?

baddog 09-12-2003 01:28 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


Ok... where are the WDM's?

Why arn't we going after N Korea? They are opening threating us?

Why has the hunt for Bin Ladden become 2nd priority when HE was the cause of 9/11?

Why do we keep pouring money into a country that does not want us there?

Why did we elect a president who cannot run a business let alone a country?

anyone?

because people are too lazy to investigate facts much less vote.

Alexeos 09-12-2003 01:32 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

The Iraq war was for god knows what reason..

for oil
maybe i'm god ? :Graucho

NBDesign 09-12-2003 01:35 AM

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Originally posted by baddog


because people are too lazy to investigate facts much less vote.

Exactly, they listed to the shit that these politicians spew out of their ass and believe it...

and the media only supplies half truths.....

Americans are extremely lazy and greedy... shit, we use to work in this country.

Examples:

We cant even get up off our lazy asses to change the fucking tv channel... we have remotes for everything... shit, one came with my car stereo.... I'm sitting right there... what the fuck do I need a remote for?

We use to build cars, now it's done by machine.. putting a lot of people ot of work to save a few bucks in payrol and produce more cars faster.

Now, we have most of our products built overseas using slave labor... Kathy Lee Gifford, Nike just to name a few.

ooops.. getting off topic... sorry.

ADL Colin 09-12-2003 03:40 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

Why arn't we going after N Korea?

You want something else to complain about?

NBDesign 09-12-2003 03:41 AM

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Originally posted by Colin


You want something else to complain about?

not tonight thank you.. bit too tired... but thanks for asking :)

ADL Colin 09-12-2003 03:57 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


not tonight thank you.. bit too tired... but thanks for asking :)

One the one hand you're complaining that the US has spent too much money on war and on the other you are complaining that the US should be consistent and "go after North Korea".

Does it occur to you that you are going to complain in either case?
I smell partisanship.

NBDesign 09-12-2003 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by Colin


One the one hand you're complaining that the US has spent too much money on war and on the other you are complaining that the US should be consistent and "go after North Korea".

Does it occur to you that you are going to complain in either case?
I smell partisanship.

I meant that the excuses that were given was that GWB thought that Sadam was going to use WMD on us when he made no threat...

N Korea made a threat and we do nothing.. that was the point...

If you are going to war on an assumption and not an acual threat.... that makes no sense.

ADL Colin 09-12-2003 04:01 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


We cant even get up off our lazy asses to change the fucking tv channel... we have remotes for everything.

We use to build cars, now it's done by machine.. putting a lot of people ot of work to save a few bucks in payrol and produce more cars faster.

Yeah, let's just scrap the entire concept of industry and technology. You want to hand crank your car in the morning too?

NBDesign 09-12-2003 04:03 AM

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Originally posted by Colin


Yeah, let's just scrap the entire concept of industry and technology. You want to hand crank your car in the morning too?

no, bring back the horse and buggy then we would not need Iraq's fucking oil and we can be done with it....

ADL Colin 09-12-2003 04:08 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


N Korea mad a threat and we do nothing.. that was the point...

OK, here's a question.

What do you want the US to do? Go to war? Try diplomacy? What could the US attempt that you would be happy with?

If the US bombed NK would you be happy?
If the US sent troops into NK would you be happy?
If the US met in North Korea multiple times to attempt to find a diplomatic solution would you be happy?

IS there a solution that is a good one for you or do you plan to complain either way?

ADL Colin 09-12-2003 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


no, bring back the horse and buggy then we would not need Iraq's fucking oil and we can be done with it....

http://www.panix.com/~clays/Una/una4.html#section14

NBDesign 09-12-2003 04:17 AM

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Originally posted by Colin


http://www.panix.com/~clays/Una/una4.html#section14

Good article, but what does that have to do with GWb and the war in Iraq? That is what this thread is about....

Why are we there? Why did we go in the first place and why have we not left?

All we are doing is running our economy down to "save" people who don't want us there in the 1st place.

You know, if they found WMD that would be one thing.. but it was all lies.. the real probelm that started all this has become a lower priority.. Bin Ladden is still out there and laughing at us.. while we go to war over something that may or may not happen or weapons they may or may not have... Bin Ladden Did a terrible thing and we have totally put him on hold to fight what I think is a personal war for GWB... one his daddy never finished.

bringer 09-12-2003 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by baddog

you said you were going to sleep last night so that your mind would be clear. . . . I see it did not help.

You were not alive then, so you do not know WTF you are talking about. Try limiting your discussions to things you have some knowledge of.

me not being alive then has nothing to do with my knowledge of the subject.

:321GFY

ADL Colin 09-12-2003 04:19 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign


Good article

The Unabomber Manifesto. Are you a neo-Luddite?

ADL Colin 09-12-2003 04:25 AM

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Originally posted by NBDesign

That is what this thread is about....

That topic has been done to death. Let's talk about something more interesting. You!

I believe you and I were discussing your statement that GWB is inconsistent in his actions towards Iraq and North Korea. I feel pretty certain that is a partisan stance you hold and for no other reason - sort of like when all the Republicans were arguing against Clinton's policy of bombing central Iraq in 1998. I'm interested in what you have to say on that though but you've pretty much danced around the conversation.

We were also discussing your anti-technology stance. ;-)

NBDesign 09-12-2003 04:35 AM

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Originally posted by Colin


That topic has been done to death. Let's talk about something more interesting. You!

I believe you and I were discussing your statement that GWB is inconsistent in his actions towards Iraq and North Korea. I feel pretty certain that is a partisan stance you hold and for no other reason - sort of like when all the Republicans were arguing against Clinton's policy of bombing central Iraq in 1998. I'm interested in what you have to say on that though but you've pretty much danced around the conversation.

We were also discussing your anti-technology stance. ;-)

ummmm, never said I was anti technology.. how do you think I earn a living.. I was makeing a point about how lazy we have become. We have machines that do everything for us but wipe our ass... shit, I mean moving sidewalkd... what is wrong with just walking... why do you need a sidewalk that moves (airports mostly).

As fas as Clinton.. I did not like him either... but at least the economy was good, I was making a lot of money in mainstream, was real dissapointed about the fucking tobacco settlements.. that was a bunch of shit.

Again, all I am saying is that you have a country that may or may not have weapons and use them against us and we go to war. You have a man who took out 3 building killing 1,000's of innocent people and he is still running free... and you have a country that has openly stated that they are building nukes and will use them on us and nothing is done..

meanwhile, who is suffering... we are. Familys that miss their loved ones, soldiers that were lied to and cannot come home as planned, an economy that is hurting 1,000's of familys...

So I don't understand why ou are having a hard time understanding what I am trying to say. Are you a GWB supporter? Do you really think he is doing a good job? Do you really think we went to Iraq for anything other than personal reasons?

genomega 09-12-2003 04:48 AM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief
I'm so fucking tired of hearing George Bush continually justify running his fucking country into the ground, all the while making excuses and waxing poetic about his bullshit in Iraq. Sure, I'm a Canadian but a) our economy depends in a way on the US economy, and when he fucks up his country, it affects us too and b) we have to LISTEN to the cocksucker! Great, fine, get rid of terrorism, but guess what... Saddam is gone, and 95% of the people who live in Iraq are NOT terrorists. They just want to live their lives. Continuing to pour money into the endless money pit, keep soldiers from their families, all the other excuses and bullshit to work out his little inferiority complex wear more thin every day. "Think of Iraq as the front on terrorism". That's nice, what about the fuckers that blew up the WTC and the Pentagon? That the brave people on flight 93 gave their lives to stop? Stop making up bullshit excuses, you useless waste of a human being that the world calls George Bush. Get your fucking act together, and start fixing things at home, because before you know it, there won't be a home to look back to when you're done.

Oh, and something else, apparently the people in his own country aren't nearly as important as the ones in Iraq, or he would stop trying to take money away from them. Fucking wanker.

Ok, I'm done. Flame away.

Heh, mindless rant
0 facts
0 logic

:Graucho


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