That's fine, I never expected them to :) I'm well within my rights to state my opinion, and I'm not stupid enough to think everyone will agree :) I was ranting and that's my right, it's been interesting bantering with you though heh.

I thought it was already proven that Iraq doesn't have and never has had Nukes. Wouldn't you rather be prepareing for Korea instead of cleaning up a mess in Iraq?

Let the UN come in.. They've done well enough in the past how many decades... Why not let them help out now? Oh! I'm Sorry, that might mean that Bush doesn't get to be the boss there anymore and push everyone around and make sure they're still licking his boots! My bad.

Actually, and this is just my opinion.. I think we should be putting ALL our effort into finding that bastard BinLadden and make him pay for what he did and leave everything else till that have been achieved.

Hence half the reason right there that Bush claiming the war in Iraq is the "front on terrorism" is laughable at best.

Yeah! And they don't care what this fuckwit Bush does with their tax dollars either, apparently :) :1orglaugh

money makes the world go around... (c) cabaret

Money is the root of all evil

i know what happens to your taxes... he's buying cows for his farm :winkwink:

Well yeah, the thing is, Saddam and his regime are gone. Why not let the Iraqis setup a government with the help of the U.N., have some sort of international committee with U.N. peacekeeping troops there and get the men and women who are fighting for american freedom doing the job they are SUPPOSED TO BE DOING, and only are in NAME right now. It's not their fault GWB is trying to finish what his father started, but GWB SHOULD NOT be taking advantage of the country for his own personal vendetta. Osama is no closer to being caught. There are STILL troops in Afganistan. When did all of that become SECONDARY to Iraq? OSAMA is the one who is in charge of Al-Quada, why the fuck is Bush wasting time and money piss anting around in Iraq when he should be going after the man who right now is planning more attacks on freedom, not only in America, but in the world? Because Bush is more interested in his own glory than he is the American people, and he's proven that time and again. Look at the B.S. he's trying to push through congress! Cutting overtime pay? Some families only SURVIVE because they get overtime. Cutting soldier's pay? WHAT THE HELL IS THIS MAN THINKING!? WHERE THE FUCK ARE HIS PRIORITIES? It sure as HELL isn't with his people.

My tax dollars, as an Ontarian, are going to Quebec of course. They don't make any money for themselves, but SOMEONE has to fund their seperatist movement :P :1orglaugh

Please don't insult me with the "why don't you understand what I am saying" line. What next? "You are brainwashed". Just because you've dodged all my questions about North Korea doesn't mean I don't understand what you are saying.

I'm a centrist. There are things I like and dislike about all the US political parties including the smaller ones especially the libertarian party. I'm not a centrist because I think "being in the middle" is a balanced or good thing. Rather, it is because there is no consistent theme that underlies the major parties. Over time, each of the major parties has co-opted some of the views of the other party often in order to gain votes. I'd have to say my views are rather independent of them. Everything looks different from the middle. Not so extreme.

I'm fine with Bush. I was fine with Clinton. I believe the political process is a good one. The concept of strong division of powers combined with a written constitution and common law is an excellent one. It has been much emulated in the world since. It is a remarkably stable and effective system and remains so today.

It's pretty easy to be critical of any president. Democrats complain about every move a Republican makes and Republicans complain about every move Democrats make. From Johnny Carson to David Letterman every president has been the butt of late night talk show jokes.

Every election cycle brings out a chorus of "worst president ever" and "impeach the president". Impeach Clinon? Impeach Bush? The next guy will get the same treatment.

George Bush received about half the votes in the last election. His approval rating is a little over 52% right now. He's pretty much an average president and thought of as so by most people. For the most part, the Americans that think he is great are Republicans. The people that think he is horrible are Democrats.

Nothing new here. Other than in extreme situations people's views are rather partisan. Getting caught up in the party rhetoric is, well, just that.

Another thing, the "I Hate America" crowd isn't going to go away when a Democrat occupies the White House. They are here to stay.

roots, bloody roots... :2 cents: give me more roots :Graucho

:1orglaugh :1orglaugh

Are you saying you would applaud the US pulling all troops out of Iraq and transporting them to South Korea to plan a war? ? ? ?

I thought it was "Love of money is the root of evil". I just like it a whole lot!

No, but for all the people that are saying they want to make sure there's not nuclear threat to the US, you'd think THEY would be more interested in being prepared for something like that. Personally I think all war is wasteful, even though some wars may be neccessary. North Korea may be able to pop off one nuke, maybe two, but consider the size of their country, and how much more quickly they would ALL be dead when the US reciprocates in kind. Two US cities would be nuked, but North Korea would just be a memory.

The thing is, I can perfectly understand why a lot of people in Europe and the middle east say that they hate America. I myself do NOT hate America, I just think it's a damn shame what it's all coming to. I saw the country unite in a way nobody has seen since the second world war (historically speaking), and now, seeing how far things have fallen since then, and the amount of dispair that's rampant (along with the failing economy, worse than ever health care, and a debt unlike the country has ever known), it just makes me shake my head to think how it can all happen so quickly. I've watched presidents come and go, as a Canadian, but none have REALLY PISSED ME OFF, Georgie boy has done it.

it is... just tired... typeing getting slow.. 2 1/2 hours I would have been at this computer 24 hours.... still not sleepy though.. just not functioning too well

Well, there's whole lot of people that would like to go to war with North Korea (I'm not one of them. I'd much rather find a diplomatic solution. Wouldn't we all?). Opinions are all over the map on that. There are some people that think Iraq was a bad idea and NK would be a good idea. There are some people that think Iraq was a bad idea and so would NK. There are some people that think Iraq was a good idea and NK is not. Everyone has a different frame of reference and ideologies that are of varying importance to them.

Non-proliferation, to me, is the most important policy decision the western world needs to commit to. Everyone seems partially interested but no one has a firm solution. There continue to be more countries with and developing nuclear weapons. I don't think there is any doubt this makes the world a continually more dangerous place. The UN doesn't have a solution, George Bush doesn't have a solution, no one has a solution.

Unless the outcome is obvious, war costs political capital. It will be years before most people have made up their mind as to whether Iraq was even worth it or not. There are many possibilities that would sway most people's opinions.

Iraq is not North Korea. Different situations require different actions. Much political capital spent on Iraq, much money spent on Iraq, fighting a war in China's neighborhood, the effects on South Korea All this diplomacy in the NK situation boring you? I don't believe that fighting a war in North Korea would be a better solution than diplomacy - not for Americans, Koreans, or the rest of the world.

Get some rest. Take care of yourself. Come back later ;-)

:winkwink: thanks... wish I could rest.. don't know wht I can't sleep tonight... today.... lol

I don't either.. and honestly, I don't think it will come to that. I think Korea is just trying to do the "look what I've got, fear me" thing. A major inferiority complex. I'm sure that they know as well as I do that it would be COMPLETELY useless of them to shoot off a nuke to the US, simple because once the US was done, there wouldn't be any Koreans left to gloat about what they'd done. Politics will likely prevail in this situation, and that's what I'd LIKE to see happen too. Hell, I don't want a nuclear war on my doorstep, I'm only a few hours from New York. NO thank you.

I also believe, however, that the whole Iraq situation needs to be handled differently now. Sure the US troops are taking fire, but guess what, they are occupying a country that really doesn't want them there now. Is this a surprise? Also, take into account that the Arab nations have been making war amongst each other for MILLENIA, it's not surprising that there are sparks flying. The US occupation of Iraq isn't going to change the nature of a people that's been established for thousands of years. I just feel it's time for them to move on. Those poor fellows over there are tired out, hair-triggered, and their job is done. Look at what happened, with the US troops mowing down all those trucks (some of whom were driven by Iraqi police). The "Evil Regime" of Saddam is gone, the U.N. will step in to help. I really so NO REASON why GWB is continuing to occupy Iraq other than to gloat, really. If I'm incorrect, please, sombody enlighten me. Maybe they know something I don't. But I would think that the American people, and the world, would love to see George putting his priorities back in order and going after the REAL threats to the US, not his personal scapegoats and the means of his father's "vindication".

THAT'S IT!!! WAR WITH USA!!!


En astie :1orglaugh

Technological Fetishism!!

The way you said that was almost....sexy.

ok, lets hear it.
why?
stop watching liberal TV shows. Your assumptions are wrong.
There is no "dispair" here is your failing economy:
http://finance.yahoo.com/q/bc?s=^DJI&t=6m
"worse than ever health care" is a lie. Everyone has the same healthcare we've had forever. yeah, it costs a little more but then, we're not getting 1960s era treatments like our canadian friends either.
Also, our country has always known debt.
You're inability to understand what happened to our economy with the double wammy of 9/11 and the bursting of the false economy bubble along with your lack of knowledge conserning tax cuts and its stimulus to the economy makes you unequipped for this argument.

oh well, most of america thinks he's doing what we want and we don't care about what foreigners think. It's not like we can count on them for anything.

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You're such a funny little man, Ron. I love ya anyways, but you're still funny :P

You are a very annoying c<b></b>unt. But you know that don't you? :1orglaugh

Another fucking dumb american.

Funny shit.

:1orglaugh

See - this is just politics.

"How far things have fallen"? That's an interesting point of view.
Is there anything that indicates to you that there is anything that is outside of the normal right now?

Economics. A number of EU countries are in a recession, Japan has been having economic problems for a decade, much of the world's economy is stangant. Hell, the US economy is growing much faster than the EU economic average. So if most of the industrial world is in a slowly growing economy why do you view that as "the US economy is failing"? Good thing you weren't around in 1930. When was the US economy worse than today? Well, we're not even in a recession and yet you think the economy is failing? There have been 22 recessions in the past 100 years, one every 4.5 years, about one per election cycle. All normal. What would you have thought in 1953, 1957, 1960, 1969, 1973, 1980, or 1990? Catastrophe? Since we're not ina recession, all those periods were WORSE that today economically.

Long term average of unemployment is 6%. Unemployment now, I believe 6.1%. Normal.

Debt. Compared to the size of the economy US debt is not at a record high. Debt/GDP exceeded 100% in the aftermath of World War II. The debt/gdp ratio of the US right now is about 60%. The average debt/gdp ratio of the G7 is 59%.

Now, I am no fan of ultra-huge deficits but overall the US is in the same situation on this as most of the other G7 countries. The US is in pretty much the same situation as Italy, Germany, France, and Japan on debt. Yeah, the US debt is huge but so is the US economy. the US economy is monstrously large. The US economy is 45x larger than the world's 10th largest economy, Belgium. Italy at #10 is 10 times smaller. $10,000 in debt is quite different to a guy making $100 million a year and a guy making $30,000 a year.

Apples and oranges.

Sounds like you're someone who's too chickenshit to post under their real handle :P

Well said! :thumbsup

This is the typical response of someone who is so owned they must resort to name-calling.

Begin your education here.
http://psychology.about.com/library/bl/bl101_1.htm

LadyMischief,

Next war, I'm on your side ;-)

May Iraqis want the US there. Look at he first poll conducted in Baghdad:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/grap...wpoll17big.gif

56% of those polled said they wanted US troops to stay for at least a year. Leaving might be worse than staying for Iraqi's.

The same very small minority of people attacking US troops are the same ones bombing nightclubs and markets in Israel, Jakarta, and India.

What is not a surprise is that Iraqis have a wide range of opinions from believing the US and UK were justified in attacking Iraq to downright lowathing. Categorically stating that "Iraqis think ..." on any topic is impossible.

The truth hurts, doesn't it my princess?:winkwink:

Aww sweetheart, the truth is ALL about perception, though. Your truth and my truth won't neccessarily agree, but if it makes you happy to believe in something, you go right on ahead :) :Graucho

You are brilliant :) Well said :thumbsup

Of course they want something.. they have no organization as of yet and they're grasping at straws.. But that's just a little over half..what about the rest, who voted no? It won't take long for the vote to go the other way :) Regardless, we could all hope the situation is resolved, and that everyone ends up happy in the end. Oh wait, it's not Cinderella, is it? :Graucho

While I agree that more jobs should be kept on homeland, many of the unemployed people are the ones that lost their job in the dot com disasters.

It may be true that we have the biggest deficit in history, but we as a nation have been through far worse times. You can't even compare the Depression to a slump in our economy now. These days, people are in debt from having too much. Credit card debts, high interest loans etc. Very few live within or under their means. The difference between poverty and debt, is that today people complain about not being able to buy luxury items, as opposed to other recessions, where people could not afford to buy food or when food simply wasn't available.

When the majority of the US has no food supply, no running water, no heat, no sanitation etc (like MANY other countries) When we are tapped out of the bare necessities, it's at that time that I will complain about how much debt my country is in. I'm not so selfish that I would worry about what I have to go without. I have been on both sides of the rich and poor teeter totter, rich is better, undeniably! but personally, I'd be willing to go without a lot, just to sustain basic survival. What it comes down to, is greed and like I have said before, I am thankful for all that I have, most of which is just gravy.