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LadyMischief · 09-09-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
I have tons of mp3s on my drives.

ALL the bands i listen to flood kazaa and other free services with their music.

And I cant name a band I listen to that doesnt have mp3s available on their site.

Not all mp3 traders use Kazaa. I dont, nor any p2p file sharing network filled with kids and script kid wannabes.

The mp3 file is nothing more than a file type, the compression method itself isnt illegal.

They just dont want you ripping a cd and trading it.

Yep that's pretty much it too. I have a shitload of MP3's on my drive too, but they're all from my cds.. It's just easier to put songs from a bunch of artists in a playlist than having to switch cds all the time..

momo · 09-09-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by pauliewalnutz
Shes a music thief after they win the law suit they should put her on criminal charges and throw her in jail for a year.

I bet she wont be swapping music anymore after that.

haha, now that would be funny, a 12 year old girl in jail for downloading crappy songs

LadyMischief · 09-09-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by pauliewalnutz
Shes a music thief after they win the law suit they should put her on criminal charges and throw her in jail for a year.

I bet she wont be swapping music anymore after that.

The problem with it is that a 12 year old probably wasn't aware of the fact that it was wrong, especially if her MOTHER paid for the service. Older people ARE aware that the RIAA is out to get people, so I wouldn't think they could find a child, who relies on a PARENT for advice, guilty of something she wasn't aware of.

eroswebmaster · 09-09-2003, 12:48 PM

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Originally posted by momo

haha, now that would be funny, a 12 year old girl in jail for downloading crappy songs

she'd get punked by the bull dykes in the yard for a pack of lucky's.

She's be someone's kid before they finished delousing her.

Bryan Havoc · 09-09-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

It's not "ok" but it's also encouraged by all the MP3 player manufacturers. It's like Sony selling bongs, but you can't legally fill it with weed.

I disagree with you. That's like saying people that sell guns promote murder. Just because they have the device doesn't mean that they are going to use it for illegal purposes, and I don't think I've seen one ad that says "steal and transfer" to promote their players.

I personally have over 800 cds and I used to drive around with two CD books with 200 cds in each but it just got too bulky. So I bought a 20GB MP3 player and hooked it up to my car, ripped all of my CDs to MP3 (that took about a month), and transferred them to the MP3 player. So now instead of having 400 CDS in my car that could get stolen, I now have an MP3 player that I don't leave in my car.

Bryan Havoc · 09-09-2003, 12:56 PM

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Originally posted by LadyMischief

The problem with it is that a 12 year old probably wasn't aware of the fact that it was wrong, especially if her MOTHER paid for the service. Older people ARE aware that the RIAA is out to get people, so I wouldn't think they could find a child, who relies on a PARENT for advice, guilty of something she wasn't aware of.

Hey LadyM, I think there's a good chance the mother didn't even know what the RIAA was.

momo · 09-09-2003, 12:59 PM

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Originally posted by apx_bryan

Hey LadyM, I think there's a good chance the mother didn't even know what the RIAA was.

thats what i was thinking too

pauliewalnutz · 09-09-2003, 01:01 PM

JEEZ.

i was kidding just like anything else parents need to watch their children.

Truth is parents should be put in jail and the kid should be sent to an orphanage.

jollyperv · 09-09-2003, 01:04 PM

Furious_Female · 09-09-2003, 01:04 PM

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Originally posted by apx_bryan

I disagree with you. That's like saying people that sell guns promote murder. Just because they have the device doesn't mean that they are going to use it for illegal purposes, and I don't think I've seen one ad that says "steal and transfer" to promote their players.

puh-lease ...they don't have to come right out and say "Steal and transfer" anything. They know damn well, most of the MP3 players will be used with illegal downloads. Not everyone who owns an MP3 player, will go the distant you went. They only care about selling the product.

I'm not saying downloading MP3s illegally is right, I said a membership type of thing would be good etc. I also said I buy CDs anyway. I used to tape songs off the radio when I was a kid

I still bought the tape. Burning CDs just happens to be a lot easier than cassettes and of better quality. I just think they should work on a better solution, than suing a 12 year old.

SexxxyChat-T · 09-09-2003, 01:04 PM

It's crazy that they are suing even a 12 year old girl... personally I use file sharing to find music I would never have heard of on the radio...

If a band has more then 1 good song I usually go out and buy the CD (if it's reasonably priced... i can't afford more then 12-13 dollars for a cd, im still in college)

Recently though with the price of CD's being 15-20 dollars, my choices have been limited.

I can go buy a DVD movie for the price of a CD... and get special features!

Fuck the RIAA, if they want to boost their CD revenues again then they need to bring the price of CD's down where people with regular salaries can afford them!

On-top · 09-09-2003, 01:06 PM

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Originally posted by Lev
I guess we have to start buying CD's again

I buy more CDs and movies now than I ever have. I'll start writing my own songs and playing more guitar, if I can't download and see what I like anymore before I buy.

I understand the RIAA is hurting, but I think there are more productive ways to succeed than this. Times are changing...and they're falling behind.

Donny · 09-09-2003, 01:07 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

Not defending file swapping etc, but come one man...

he without an mp3 on his hard drive cast the first stone.

Okay, who would you like me to throw it at?

I DO NOT steal music. I pride myself on paying for CD's. Downloading music is stealing. Period.

cluck · 09-09-2003, 01:12 PM

Music isn't porn and porn isn't music. Music is supposed to be art, not a product. A real artist just wants his art exposed to the people. If you say that people can't listen to your songs without buying them, you're saying that your music really isn't art.

Fuck the recording industry and fuck all the "musicians" that are destroying the artistic creativity of a generation.

If you wanna see the real effects of file sharing, look at bands like the white stripes, the strokes, etc. Also look at all the independant artists that have made big record deals lately. The people trying to manufacture and package music purely to make money are getting weeded out and real artists who've been playing music out of love for decades are finally getting what they deserve.

What's next, museums suing art books and poster companies for duplicating great works?

On-top · 09-09-2003, 01:16 PM

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Originally posted by cluck

If you wanna see the real effects of file sharing, look at bands like the white stripes, the strokes, etc. Also look at all the independant artists that have made big record deals lately. The people trying to manufacture and package music purely to make money are getting weeded out and real artists who've been playing music out of love for decades are finally getting what they deserve.

What's next, museums suing art books and poster companies for duplicating great works?

Yeah, you can also look at the Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Phish, Tom Petty, Neil Young, and all the other musicians out there that let people record and trade music for free. They still make millions every year, because they create something that lasts, and they continue to work their ass off.

Bryan Havoc · 09-09-2003, 01:19 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female

puh-lease ...they don't have to come right out and say "Steal and transfer" anything. They know damn well, most of the MP3 players will be used with illegal downloads. Not everyone who owns an MP3 player, will go the distant you went. They only care about selling the product.

I'm not saying downloading MP3s illegally is right, I said a membership type of thing would be good etc. I also said I buy CDs anyway. I used to tape songs off the radio when I was a kid I still bought the tape. Burning CDs just happens to be a lot easier than cassettes and of better quality. I just think they should work on a better solution, than suing a 12 year old.

Well MP3 players are a move in the right direction as far as technology goes, and I don't think you can fault the manufacturers for trying to stay competitive with each other and get their products out in a market that's going to only grow as time goes on. It's not their concern how the people get their mp3's. It's business.

I do believe the problem is with the record companies when you come down to it. People aren't buying albums because of the recording industries philosophy the past 15 years or so. All they care about are the singles. They don't work on developing bands, or even working with the bands to make their albums good. All they care about is that one song so they can make their money. I believe that if they worked on developing bands so that bands would churn out full albums of good songs album after album, as happened before the mid 80's, they could put a dent in the declining numbers of their CD sales.

just my

IntenseCash · 09-09-2003, 01:19 PM

Maybe the Mom was actually downloading the music and had her daughter take the blame so she could get away with it. Either way it is just ridiculous.

Mark

Bryan Havoc · 09-09-2003, 01:20 PM

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Originally posted by On-top
Yeah, you can also look at the Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Phish, Tom Petty, Neil Young, and all the other musicians out there that let people record and trade music for free. They still make millions every year, because they create something that lasts, and they continue to work their ass off.

Those bands know that the real money doesn't come from album sales, it comes from the live shows. All of those bands/artists have made a ton of money from touring.

Bryan Havoc · 09-09-2003, 01:22 PM

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Originally posted by IntenseCash
Maybe the Mom was actually downloading the music and had her daughter take the blame so she could get away with it. Either way it is just ridiculous.

Mark

I was thinking that too.
All they have to do is see what songs were downloaded to know who the culprit is.

On-top · 09-09-2003, 01:24 PM

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Originally posted by apx_bryan

I do believe the problem is with the record companies when you come down to it. People aren't buying albums because of the recording industries philosophy the past 15 years or so. All they care about are the singles. They don't work on developing bands, or even working with the bands to make their albums good. All they care about is that one song so they can make their money. I believe that if they worked on developing bands so that bands would churn out full albums of good songs album after album, as happened before the mid 80's, they could put a dent in the declining numbers of their CD sales.

just my

Agreed. And they charge $20 for those one or two decent songs on an album. They're finally getting the right idea.

Universal Music slashes CD, cassette prices
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...today/11785036

But how many years has it taken? Technology is making the production and recording process simpler and closer to the public. The RIAA needs to be working on things that are "exceptional"..."above and beyond" what you're little brother can do on his PC in his bedroom. Instead of overcharging for crap.

Sarah_Jayne · 09-09-2003, 01:37 PM

when I ws 12 if I had gone into a music shop and slipped a tape into my pocket without paying my mother would have marched me down herself to the store and had me charged.

Bryan Havoc · 09-09-2003, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by On-top
Agreed. And they charge $20 for those one or two decent songs on an album. They're finally getting the right idea.

Universal Music slashes CD, cassette prices
http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp...today/11785036

But how many years has it taken? Technology is making the production and recording process simpler and closer to the public. The RIAA needs to be working on things that are "exceptional"..."above and beyond" what you're little brother can do on his PC in his bedroom. Instead of overcharging for crap.

Agreed. And with many artists, including big name rap acts, recording in home studios using Pro Tools backing the process, it drops the recording costs significantly for the record companies. The only cost that has gone up for the record companies is "advertising"... basically the money they pay the radio stations parent company (not mentioning names) to get their song in the rotation.

beemk · 09-09-2003, 01:39 PM

i only use kazaa for hard to find songs. bring on the lawsuite.

momo · 09-09-2003, 01:45 PM

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Originally posted by sarah_webinc
when I ws 12 if I had gone into a music shop and slipped a tape into my pocket without paying my mother would have marched me down herself to the store and had me charged.

how would she have reacted if you had been sued by the RIAA?

Buff · 09-09-2003, 01:47 PM

Fuck her. She lives in public housing, let her fry.

They can afford a computer and internet access and a $30/month subscription to Kazaa, but they have to mooch rent off me?

Wrong answer.

Gemini · 09-09-2003, 01:59 PM

I'm sure this will set precedent so as the next time some kid steals something like your car, shoots the kid next door, or even steals a candy bar, not to mention trash your paint job, that the Police will just turn them loose.

Sorry Eros, now you have TWO that have NO songs on their systems (And I searched our whole network too, nadda) In fact only one of our systems has a sound card with speakers. lol We buy it or don't bother with it.

Momo, did you upgrade your heap yet? We have that 5th parking space out back just waiting for your bicycle or car. WHatever it is you have.

Go comisserate with jayxxx that ONLY had some dope, got popped and then wrote an accusing page about the crooked cops that did it, while fully knowing the cops WERE crooked. (and he expected NO retaliation? Can we say DUH) He needs the support from such law abiding citizens.

how would she have reacted if you had been sued by the RIAA? Mine would have brought me snacks while I served my time just like she did my brother when HE crossed the law.

FightThisPatent · 09-09-2003, 02:01 PM

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Originally posted by Furious_Female
Sounds staged to me...

......If I'm not mistaken, don't they track the downloads through a user's ISP?

I agree with you, the story sounds fishy... because tracking down the owner of the internet account at an ISP is the way RIAA is serving people with infringements.

They know that it's most likely minors downloading songs, so they are going to hold the parents accountable.... so how in the world did they get this 12 year old's name for the lawsuit?

Sounds like the reporter needs to do some more investigating, instead of trying to sensationalize on a story.

The real sad issue is the last line ""It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres"

Napster seems to have mis-educated people that downloading music is not illegal... how sad... cause it is illegal!

Yo Adrian · 09-09-2003, 02:04 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

she'd get punked by the bull dykes in the yard for a pack of lucky's.

LMAO

momo · 09-09-2003, 02:12 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
Momo, did you upgrade your heap yet? We have that 5th parking space out back just waiting for your bicycle or car. WHatever it is you have.

sweet, a parking spot just for my bike

hehe

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Originally posted by Gemini

how would she have reacted if you had been sued by the RIAA? Mine would have brought me snacks while I served my time just like she did my brother when HE crossed the law. [/B]

mine would have told me to leave the country and enjoy life somewhere where there's a beach... hehe

Bill8 · 09-09-2003, 02:13 PM

Didn't the RIAA say they were only going after people who were _providing_ songs for download when they first annouced these lawsuits?

I'm certain that several articles I read emphasized that point. Downloaders were being ignored in the first round of suits, only 'uploaders' needed to worry.

FightThisPatent · 09-09-2003, 02:15 PM

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Originally posted by On-top

Yeah, you can also look at the Grateful Dead, Bob Dylan, Phish, Tom Petty, Neil Young, and all the other musicians out there that let people record and trade music for free. They still make millions every year, because they create something that lasts, and they continue to work their ass off.

That's because they make their money by going on tour, selling tickets and t-shirts.... The Record Label makes money from the selling of RECORDS. So of course, the artist wouldn't mind letting people download and share their music, they make so little off of each album anyways.....if more people get their music, then maybe more will see them in concert.. that's where the money is at.

Look at the paradox.. if it weren't for the Record Label, they wouldn't be stars.... how many big stars made it by internet-only release with no backing by a major label??

Afro man doesn't count

FightThisPatent · 09-09-2003, 02:16 PM

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Originally posted by Bill8
Didn't the RIAA say they were only going after people who were _providing_ songs for download when they first annouced these lawsuits?

Exactly! This is another reason why i think the story is bogus..

sperbonzo · 09-09-2003, 02:23 PM

I don't have a burner or an MP3 player, and when I want music, I buy it.
I was a recording engineer in LA/NY through the mid/late 80s and I've watched what my friends in the industry (engineers, producers, execs, and artists), have gone through with the napster stuff.

There are a LOT of bands that don't get picked up for a second album for a number of reasons, but one of them is definitely that sales go way down when the artist gets popular on the internet. If you all think that the record companies all make millions all the time, try signing a band, advancing the money to cut the album, then promote them, then try to create a video and get a buzz going so that you get rotation. 90% of the time....even if you have a GREAT ear for A&R, you will lose your ass! After all that, watch while somebody downloads all your work and risk for free, and tells you that it is their right to do so.

I don't know what the answer is, but if an artist doesn't want to give their music away for free, then it is their right to charge for it.

serious · 09-09-2003, 02:26 PM

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Originally posted by FOXNews

"It's not like we were doing anything illegal," said Torres. "This is a 12-year-old girl, for crying out loud."

cluck · 09-09-2003, 02:27 PM

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Originally posted by Bill8
Didn't the RIAA say they were only going after people who were _providing_ songs for download when they first annouced these lawsuits?

I'm certain that several articles I read emphasized that point. Downloaders were being ignored in the first round of suits, only 'uploaders' needed to worry.

With file sharing everyone's a downloader and an uploader. Most broadband ISPs consider using kazaa "running a server", which is agains their TOS.

eroswebmaster · 09-09-2003, 02:28 PM

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Originally posted by DonovanPhillips

Okay, who would you like me to throw it at?

I DO NOT steal music. I pride myself on paying for CD's. Downloading music is stealing. Period.

The whole concept went over your head eh?

In other words...He without sin cast the first stone.

I'm sure you're just this squeaky clean guy who NEVER does anything wrong.

grogan · 09-09-2003, 02:37 PM

Listining to "Baby one more time" without paying?????

She should get the fucking chair!!!!

Gemini · 09-09-2003, 02:48 PM

Sooo! Fight the patent is no better than her nemisis Acacia!! lmfao rotfl Steals with her right and yaps out the left side of her mouth. I wondered when this would come out. I always did have a kind of wonder from her other posts to when she switched nicks. Helmy should shut you down, HARD. No difference. Acacia at least is up front about it instead of hiding on a p2p anon program. ;-)p

Eros, if I even THOUGHT of breaking the law, I'd have alot worse waiting for me when I got home than the cops would dole out. lol We have NO mp3's and don't want them. Don't have a player either. Or a dvd burner. We have a cd burner on a system thats on about once every 6 months.

So don't act like EVERYone steals. We don't. And nope, no concept went over MY head like you ask Donovan.

Gosh, next time I'm short at the store, I'll just slip a 12 pack in my bag, after all, the breweries make way more than most of us! Right? I'm sure that defense will keep me from the 90 days thieves get here every day.

Sarah_Jayne · 09-09-2003, 02:57 PM

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Originally posted by momo

how would she have reacted if you had been sued by the RIAA?

and I had actually downloaded songs I knew I weren't meant to be free?

Well, after my ears were done ringing from the screaming (particuarly as my mother is a fairly high profile teacher in our community) and then she would try to help me but would still make me take the fall for something I knowingly did wrong.

eroswebmaster · 09-09-2003, 02:58 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini

Eros, if I even THOUGHT of breaking the law, I'd have alot worse waiting for me when I got home than the cops would dole out. lol We have NO mp3's and don't want them. Don't have a player either. Or a dvd burner. We have a cd burner on a system thats on about once every 6 months.

So don't act like EVERYone steals. We don't. And nope, no concept went over MY head like you ask Donovan.

Gosh, next time I'm short at the store, I'll just slip a 12 pack in my bag, after all, the breweries make way more than most of us! Right? I'm sure that defense will keep me from the 90 days thieves get here every day.

Well you DID miss the point.

You two want to point fingers, but what's going on in your backyard?

The amount of hypocrisy that goes on, on this board is ridiculous at times.

I'm going to step on some toes with this one...but here goes.

This "community" consists of spammers, druggies, alcoholics, people pushing the linces of decency, even crossing into what has for many years been considered obscenity.

So don't go pointing fingers about downloading some music.

We've got people with full on sex on their tours, no warning pages, 2257 records in a mess, snorting coke and doing all kinds of other illicit drugs at "industry gatherings," and aftwerwards driving home under the influence of whatever it is they do.

Shall I go on.

People running biz's out of their homes, shooting content in their homes violating all kinds of city ordinances and zoning laws.

This list could go on...but of course we all know downloading music is much worse ;)

Once again and with EMPHASIS...."he without sin cast the first stone." And this statement INCLUDES me.

FightThisPatent · 09-09-2003, 03:05 PM

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Originally posted by Gemini
Sooo! Fight the patent is no better than her nemisis Acacia!! lmfao rotfl Steals with her right and yaps out the left side of her mouth. I wondered when this would come out. I always did have a kind of wonder from her other posts to when she switched nicks. Helmy should shut you down, HARD. No difference. Acacia at least is up front about it instead of hiding on a p2p anon program. ;-)p

Why do you think I am a "she"?

U must be on crack.. . i'll leave you to your delusional high.

Carlos · 09-09-2003, 04:13 PM

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Originally posted by KMR Stitch
I will ask,
So you HACKED? into my account traced my ip? Logged my packets of my computer/network?

Ok, I will pay you 3k now I will counter sue for invasion of privacy
Breaking an entering oh yeah and now that?s a called a terrorist act "HACKING" That?s FEDERAL

Cyber Crimes. Bring it. There are many loop-holes to expose.

Did you know that music companies and the RIAA is legaly allowed to hack in your computer to find illegal music? It was made legal like 5 months ago... (only in the US)

FightThisPatent · 09-09-2003, 04:46 PM

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Originally posted by Carlos

Did you know that music companies and the RIAA is legaly allowed to hack in your computer to find illegal music? It was made legal like 5 months ago... (only in the US)

I don't think they passed that bill, it would be so wrong to allow a non-government entity to "knowingly engage in criminal activity" unless of course it was made a law.

It was in draft form about a year ago... http://news.com.com/2100-1023-939333.html?tag=cd_mh

you have a link to where they actually passed the bill?

NBDesign · 09-09-2003, 04:55 PM

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Originally posted by KMR Stitch
Shit, They are just trying to make a point.

Fuckers! I will swap files on IRC if they try sue me.

I will ask,
So you HACKED? into my account traced my ip? Logged my packets of my computer/network?

Ok, I will pay you 3k now I will counter sue for invasion of privacy
Breaking an entering oh yeah and now that?s a called a terrorist act "HACKING" That?s FEDERAL

Cyber Crimes. Bring it. There are many loop-holes to expose.

Good question... if you open your computer up for sharing... is that breaking and entering or invasion of privacy? If your sharing is off and they find a way into your computer and scan for the shit.. then yes... I would agree... but other than that... I really think that since you open the door, you cannot complain who enters.

Ic3m4nZ · 09-09-2003, 05:00 PM

RIAA are never going to get anything.

Final point.

quiet · 09-09-2003, 05:03 PM

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Originally posted by JSA Matt

It's cheaper?

ahahaha

NBDesign · 09-09-2003, 05:04 PM

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Originally posted by Carlos

Did you know that music companies and the RIAA is legaly allowed to hack in your computer to find illegal music? It was made legal like 5 months ago... (only in the US)

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A California congressman is preparing a bill that would let copyright owners, such as record labels or movie studios, launch high-tech attacks against file-swapping networks where their wares are traded.

Talk about unfair... what about the little guy?

I create internet based programming and have people rip me off left and right...

or howabout the adult content producer that has their stuff plastered all over the place? or their images and video stolen by members and posted in these P2P programs....

not fair they let one or two groups in without letting everyone that has legal copyrights do the same.

momo · 09-09-2003, 06:46 PM

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Originally posted by eroswebmaster

The whole concept went over your head eh?

In other words...He without sin cast the first stone.

I'm sure you're just this squeaky clean guy who NEVER does anything wrong.

momo · 09-09-2003, 06:49 PM

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Originally posted by Ic3m4nZ
RIAA are never going to get anything.

Final point.

probably, but they'll keep on suing and suing...

momo · 09-09-2003, 07:04 PM

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»?]Originally posted by sarah_webinc [/i]

and I had actually downloaded songs I knew I weren't meant to be free?

Well, after my ears were done ringing from the screaming (particuarly as my mother is a fairly high profile teacher in our community) and then she would try to help me but would still make me take the fall for something I knowingly did wrong. [/QUOTE]

where you that smart when you were 12 years old? i mean, would you have been smart enough to know that its not right to go on your computer and download a song for free? if your mom didn't tell you ahead of time not to do it, how would you have known it was wrong?

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SexxxyChat-T Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Las Vegas, NV Posts: 697	It's crazy that they are suing even a 12 year old girl... personally I use file sharing to find music I would never have heard of on the radio... If a band has more then 1 good song I usually go out and buy the CD (if it's reasonably priced... i can't afford more then 12-13 dollars for a cd, im still in college) Recently though with the price of CD's being 15-20 dollars, my choices have been limited. I can go buy a DVD movie for the price of a CD... and get special features! Fuck the RIAA, if they want to boost their CD revenues again then they need to bring the price of CD's down where people with regular salaries can afford them! __________________ Need more cowbell? Then offer SexxxyChat live webcam feeds to your customers! Make up to 35% of all sales, $30 on first purchase, or $10 per signup

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cluck Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: New Jersey Posts: 5,248	Music isn't porn and porn isn't music. Music is supposed to be art, not a product. A real artist just wants his art exposed to the people. If you say that people can't listen to your songs without buying them, you're saying that your music really isn't art. Fuck the recording industry and fuck all the "musicians" that are destroying the artistic creativity of a generation. If you wanna see the real effects of file sharing, look at bands like the white stripes, the strokes, etc. Also look at all the independant artists that have made big record deals lately. The people trying to manufacture and package music purely to make money are getting weeded out and real artists who've been playing music out of love for decades are finally getting what they deserve. What's next, museums suing art books and poster companies for duplicating great works? __________________ icq 279990726 www.mcdonalds.com <- great money making opportunity

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IntenseCash Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Colorado Posts: 2,421	Maybe the Mom was actually downloading the music and had her daughter take the blame so she could get away with it. Either way it is just ridiculous. Mark __________________ IntenseCash.com ~ Chuck \| ICQ: 444887112 Top converting sites: BrokeStraightBoys.com, CollegeDudes.com & CollegeBoyPhysicals.com

09-09-2003, 01:39 PM	#73
beemk CLICK HERE Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 20,829	i only use kazaa for hard to find songs. bring on the lawsuite. __________________ I host with Vacares

09-09-2003, 01:04 PM	#59
jollyperv Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NYC Posts: 3,927	...

09-09-2003, 01:37 PM	#71
Sarah_Jayne Now with more Jayne Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Los Angeles Posts: 40,077	when I ws 12 if I had gone into a music shop and slipped a tape into my pocket without paying my mother would have marched me down herself to the store and had me charged.

09-09-2003, 01:47 PM	#75
Buff GFY Assassin Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 2,993	Fuck her. She lives in public housing, let her fry. They can afford a computer and internet access and a $30/month subscription to Kazaa, but they have to mooch rent off me? Wrong answer.

09-09-2003, 01:59 PM	#76
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	I'm sure this will set precedent so as the next time some kid steals something like your car, shoots the kid next door, or even steals a candy bar, not to mention trash your paint job, that the Police will just turn them loose. Sorry Eros, now you have TWO that have NO songs on their systems (And I searched our whole network too, nadda) In fact only one of our systems has a sound card with speakers. lol We buy it or don't bother with it. Momo, did you upgrade your heap yet? We have that 5th parking space out back just waiting for your bicycle or car. WHatever it is you have. Go comisserate with jayxxx that ONLY had some dope, got popped and then wrote an accusing page about the crooked cops that did it, while fully knowing the cops WERE crooked. (and he expected NO retaliation? Can we say DUH) He needs the support from such law abiding citizens. how would she have reacted if you had been sued by the RIAA? Mine would have brought me snacks while I served my time just like she did my brother when HE crossed the law. __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

09-09-2003, 02:13 PM	#80
Bill8 Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 1,901	Didn't the RIAA say they were only going after people who were _providing_ songs for download when they first annouced these lawsuits? I'm certain that several articles I read emphasized that point. Downloaders were being ignored in the first round of suits, only 'uploaders' needed to worry.

09-09-2003, 02:23 PM	#83
sperbonzo I'd rather be on my boat. Industry Role: Join Date: May 2003 Location: Miami, FL Posts: 9,748	I don't have a burner or an MP3 player, and when I want music, I buy it. I was a recording engineer in LA/NY through the mid/late 80s and I've watched what my friends in the industry (engineers, producers, execs, and artists), have gone through with the napster stuff. There are a LOT of bands that don't get picked up for a second album for a number of reasons, but one of them is definitely that sales go way down when the artist gets popular on the internet. If you all think that the record companies all make millions all the time, try signing a band, advancing the money to cut the album, then promote them, then try to create a video and get a buzz going so that you get rotation. 90% of the time....even if you have a GREAT ear for A&R, you will lose your ass! After all that, watch while somebody downloads all your work and risk for free, and tells you that it is their right to do so. I don't know what the answer is, but if an artist doesn't want to give their music away for free, then it is their right to charge for it.

09-09-2003, 02:37 PM	#87
grogan So Fucking Banned Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: CHICAGO Posts: 2,284	Listining to "Baby one more time" without paying????? She should get the fucking chair!!!!

09-09-2003, 02:48 PM	#88
Gemini Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: o-HI-o Posts: 7,183	Sooo! Fight the patent is no better than her nemisis Acacia!! lmfao rotfl Steals with her right and yaps out the left side of her mouth. I wondered when this would come out. I always did have a kind of wonder from her other posts to when she switched nicks. Helmy should shut you down, HARD. No difference. Acacia at least is up front about it instead of hiding on a p2p anon program. ;-)p Eros, if I even THOUGHT of breaking the law, I'd have alot worse waiting for me when I got home than the cops would dole out. lol We have NO mp3's and don't want them. Don't have a player either. Or a dvd burner. We have a cd burner on a system thats on about once every 6 months. So don't act like EVERYone steals. We don't. And nope, no concept went over MY head like you ask Donovan. Gosh, next time I'm short at the store, I'll just slip a 12 pack in my bag, after all, the breweries make way more than most of us! Right? I'm sure that defense will keep me from the 90 days thieves get here every day. __________________ <center><a target="_blank" href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac"><img border="0" src="http://216.130.172.224/gfy/gsig.gif" width="490" height="100"></a><br><a href="http://dev.datedollars.com/index.php?s=signup&aid=535&cfg=aac" target="_blank"><b><font face="Arial"><font color="#FF99FF"> Buy me away from Slavedriver Smokey!<br>It's May Sig Sweeps!<font></b></center>

09-09-2003, 05:00 PM	#95
Ic3m4nZ Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Montreal! Posts: 6,285	RIAA are never going to get anything. Final point.

09-09-2003, 07:04 PM	#100
momo Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Western Hemisphere Posts: 245	?µ\ »?]Originally posted by sarah_webinc [/i] and I had actually downloaded songs I knew I weren't meant to be free? Well, after my ears were done ringing from the screaming (particuarly as my mother is a fairly high profile teacher in our community) and then she would try to help me but would still make me take the fall for something I knowingly did wrong. [/QUOTE] where you that smart when you were 12 years old? i mean, would you have been smart enough to know that its not right to go on your computer and download a song for free? if your mom didn't tell you ahead of time not to do it, how would you have known it was wrong?