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lil2rich4u2 · 09-02-2003, 06:56 PM

id like to shoot content of non-nude women on boardwalks, street, whatever.

i did a quick search and see a nice bunch of tips on this and many point of views.

i also see lensman (who im sure knows what he is talking about) say the following:

Quote:

Originally posted by Lensman
If it was shot in public or with a bunch of cameras around, she has no case.

more here

i didnt want to bump the old thread, but id like some more info.

anyone have any links or news stories, anything that i can read about this stuff?

thanks.

detoxed · 09-02-2003, 07:00 PM

prank call a lawyer and find out

emthree · 09-02-2003, 07:08 PM

I belive it's legal, as far as using it for profit...I think there MAY be laws behind that to some extent.

ex: spring break, festivals, college partys

I've done public non nude shots in the past, mostly around one of the major Shopping AVE in my area.

However these shots were not done for profit, they were done mainly for a few laughs at the whoring sluts in my area.

I did honor people who requested to be removed etc...

DatingGold · 09-02-2003, 07:10 PM

The Enquirer does it all the time..

emthree · 09-02-2003, 07:41 PM

BTW There were both males/females

Just thought I had to clear that up

DarkBob · 09-02-2003, 07:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed
prank call a lawyer and find out

GeXus · 09-02-2003, 07:59 PM

You can shoot anything you want.. if its in a public place, you do not need concent from anyone.. You can take pictures, video, anything.

lil2rich4u2 · 09-02-2003, 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by GeXus
You can shoot anything you want.. if its in a public place, you do not need concent from anyone.. You can take pictures, video, anything.

yes i know i can SHOOT anything i want, my concern is with publishing and making money off of it lol

chowda · 09-02-2003, 09:28 PM

i guess if u defame them, that might be a problem..

"watch her walk into my lap and get fucked in the ass"

lol

SicChild · 09-02-2003, 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by chowda
i guess if u defame them, that might be a problem..

"watch her walk into my lap and get fucked in the ass"

lol

hahaha....i could see someone making a site like that

fiveyes · 09-02-2003, 09:59 PM

The main concerns are (1.) using the images commercially, (2.) where the pictures were taken, (3.) how the images were obtained, (4.) how they are presented and (5.) whether or not the subject might have an vested right to their image.

(1.) Commercial use of the image means using it to advertise or promote something. You are allowed to exploit an image by selling it or including within a publication that is sold, but you can't use images of people to get others to buy something without a signed release. Keep in mind that without a model's release, you are dealing with a subject.

(2.) The general rule is: If both you and the subject are on publicly accessable property, then you're in the clear. However, pictures taken in a night club that is recognizable within the shot may get you into trouble without a location release from the club.

(3.) Images that are obtained by "extaordinary means", such as hidden cameras or telescopic lenses, may get you into trouble. Generally, if the camera was in full view of the subject and it was obvious that you were taking a picture, then the result is publishable.

(4.) You cannot fictionalize or embellish the images in the publication. Images that are obtained this way are documentary in nature and can only be safely used as such. A model's release, among other things, usually states that the images can be fictionalized and, lacking that, you are required to either let the image speak for itself or be truthfull in your commentary.

(5.) Prominent people, such as politicians, movie stars and sports figures, have a vested right to the use of their image since their career or income could be affected by it. This shouldn't be a concern unless you've decided to become a papparazi, in which case you'd best learn the nuances from a master first.

lil2rich4u2 · 09-02-2003, 10:03 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fiveyes
(1.) Commercial use of the image means using it to advertise or promote something. You are allowed to exploit an image by selling it or including within a publication that is sold, but you can't use images of people to get others to buy something without a signed release. Keep in mind that without a model's release, you are dealing with a subject.

very nice post. the only one i still have questions on is #1.

this statement: "but you can't use images of people to get others to buy something without a signed release"

not sure exactly what that means. If i had a paysite with these pics in the tours, is that using them to make people buy? Seams as though it is.

Fletch XXX · 09-02-2003, 10:10 PM

This guy is the perfect type to be out taking pictures of people in public.

funny.

this fuck will be arrested for snapping pics of high school girls no doubt.

hes dumb enough to prank call people thinking unlisted numbers dont show up in caller ID, you think hes going to be able to protect himself in the public voyeur world?

hahaha

see you in jail richard the prank caller.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=169209

go post looking for preteen content under juicylinks name.

http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=169724

fiveyes · 09-02-2003, 10:13 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by lil2rich4u2

very nice post. the only one i still have questions on is #1.

this statement: "but you can't use images of people to get others to buy something without a signed release"

not sure exactly what that means. If i had a paysite with these pics in the tours, is that using them to make people buy? Seams as though it is.

Usage of the images in tours, galleries that promote paid sites and within banners is a big question that has yet to be decided within the courts. Some of the larger flashing sites use only paid models for this, just to avoid problems.

For sure, you can get into serious court battles by using the image of an unknowing subject within an infomercial or on the case cover of a video tape. Just ask GGW about that!

fiveyes · 09-02-2003, 10:23 PM

Oh, and as a side note on this subject: The only time you can ever get into trouble with this is by a specific complaint from a person who is identifiable within the image. In other words, let's say you did a site of pics of lowriders that showed thong (this is an actual niche, btw!). If you tour just had waist views of "just about anyone", you would never have a problem. But, as soon as you included a distinctive lower back tatoo, you'd be placing yourself at (possible) risk.

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

Fletch XXX · 09-02-2003, 10:31 PM

Hey Rich where did you shoot those club pics at the bottom? nice stuff.

http://www.nyclubgirls.com/t1.html

Sausage · 09-02-2003, 10:36 PM

hahahaha.
This smells like another dodgy lil2rich scheme/scam to me.

lil2rich4u2 · 09-02-2003, 10:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fiveyes
Oh, and as a side note on this subject: The only time you can ever get into trouble with this is by a specific complaint from a person who is identifiable within the image. In other words, let's say you did a site of pics of lowriders that showed thong (this is an actual niche, btw!). If you tour just had waist views of "just about anyone", you would never have a problem. But, as soon as you included a distinctive lower back tatoo, you'd be placing yourself at (possible) risk.

I hope that clarifies it a bit.

it actually does, and makes alot of sense.

appreciate your time.

lil2rich4u2 · 09-02-2003, 10:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by fiveyes

Usage of the images in tours, galleries that promote paid sites and within banners is a big question that has yet to be decided within the courts. Some of the larger flashing sites use only paid models for this, just to avoid problems.

i was actually hoping to buy ALL my content from providers, but cant seem to find any around.

i guess i will have to do it myself, and maybe pay someone to do a custom shoot for my tours and such.

thanks again. very helpful

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fiveyes Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,680	The main concerns are (1.) using the images commercially, (2.) where the pictures were taken, (3.) how the images were obtained, (4.) how they are presented and (5.) whether or not the subject might have an vested right to their image. (1.) Commercial use of the image means using it to advertise or promote something. You are allowed to exploit an image by selling it or including within a publication that is sold, but you can't use images of people to get others to buy something without a signed release. Keep in mind that without a model's release, you are dealing with a subject. (2.) The general rule is: If both you and the subject are on publicly accessable property, then you're in the clear. However, pictures taken in a night club that is recognizable within the shot may get you into trouble without a location release from the club. (3.) Images that are obtained by "extaordinary means", such as hidden cameras or telescopic lenses, may get you into trouble. Generally, if the camera was in full view of the subject and it was obvious that you were taking a picture, then the result is publishable. (4.) You cannot fictionalize or embellish the images in the publication. Images that are obtained this way are documentary in nature and can only be safely used as such. A model's release, among other things, usually states that the images can be fictionalized and, lacking that, you are required to either let the image speak for itself or be truthfull in your commentary. (5.) Prominent people, such as politicians, movie stars and sports figures, have a vested right to the use of their image since their career or income could be affected by it. This shouldn't be a concern unless you've decided to become a papparazi, in which case you'd best learn the nuances from a master first. __________________ <CENTER><A HREF="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/" target="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/images/hob-logosmall.jpg" border="0"></A> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" SIZE="-1"><I>Mardi Gras, Spring Break, Wet-T, Night Club Action, UpSkirt, Oil Wrestling, Voyeur</I></FONT></CENTER>

09-02-2003, 10:10 PM	#13
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	This guy is the perfect type to be out taking pictures of people in public. funny. this fuck will be arrested for snapping pics of high school girls no doubt. hes dumb enough to prank call people thinking unlisted numbers dont show up in caller ID, you think hes going to be able to protect himself in the public voyeur world? hahaha see you in jail richard the prank caller. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=169209 go post looking for preteen content under juicylinks name. http://www.gofuckyourself.com/showth...hreadid=169724 __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

09-02-2003, 07:00 PM	#2
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emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	I belive it's legal, as far as using it for profit...I think there MAY be laws behind that to some extent. ex: spring break, festivals, college partys I've done public non nude shots in the past, mostly around one of the major Shopping AVE in my area. However these shots were not done for profit, they were done mainly for a few laughs at the whoring sluts in my area. I did honor people who requested to be removed etc...

09-02-2003, 07:41 PM	#5
emthree Dialer Kingpin Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: New York Posts: 10,816	BTW There were both males/females Just thought I had to clear that up

09-02-2003, 10:23 PM	#15
fiveyes Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: New Orleans Posts: 1,680	Oh, and as a side note on this subject: The only time you can ever get into trouble with this is by a specific complaint from a person who is identifiable within the image. In other words, let's say you did a site of pics of lowriders that showed thong (this is an actual niche, btw!). If you tour just had waist views of "just about anyone", you would never have a problem. But, as soon as you included a distinctive lower back tatoo, you'd be placing yourself at (possible) risk. I hope that clarifies it a bit. __________________ <CENTER><A HREF="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/" target="_blank"><IMG SRC="http://www.hot-off-bourbon.com/images/hob-logosmall.jpg" border="0"></A> <FONT face="Comic Sans MS" SIZE="-1"><I>Mardi Gras, Spring Break, Wet-T, Night Club Action, UpSkirt, Oil Wrestling, Voyeur</I></FONT></CENTER>

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Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Hey Rich where did you shoot those club pics at the bottom? nice stuff. http://www.nyclubgirls.com/t1.html __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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Sausage Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 3,012	hahahaha. This smells like another dodgy lil2rich scheme/scam to me.