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Paul Markham · 08-31-2003, 01:38 PM

Found this on another board.

Quote:

The Frank Russell Company, which produces the Russell 2000 stock listing has removed Acacia from its Russell 2000 Index.

According to the Russell web site, " the Russell 2000 Index is a comprehensive representation of the investible U.S. small-capitalization equity market. Since its inception, the Russell 2000 Index has become the premier measure of small-capitalization stocks and is widely followed by U.S. fund managers."

(Does That Mean Acacia is no longer considered an "investible stock by Russells?)

This move confirms a report on CBS Market Watch, of May 28, 2003, written by Mike Tarsala that the company "burned thru $3-million dollars in the last quarter".

The company, according to the report, posted sales of $220,000 and a loss of $7-million"

The report said "future growth of the company depends on its ability to enforce 13-year old patents" which the company president admitted presents a "risk" to the company if the patents are challenged and invalidated.

You can read more here:
http://chat.ynotmasters.com/public/C...83&Site_ID=yno

Plus to make it even worse for them I think with my brothers help I may have found the "Prior Art" that will sink their ship.

Alan my youngest brother recently retired from Reuters, where he helped write the original program (his name is on their patent) did a search and found an article listing all the instances of prior art.

It was written by some one who claims he was employed as a principal scientist by one the pioneers of internet content delivery.

Sent it to www.impai.org for them to consider.

Are your reading this Mr. Ryan?

Nismo · 08-31-2003, 01:40 PM

Daymare · 08-31-2003, 02:07 PM

LOL, they are burning $1million a month and making $75,000 a month. Way to go Acacia.

SGS · 08-31-2003, 02:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Found this on another board.
Plus to make it even worse for them I think with my brothers help I may have found the "Prior Art" that will sink their ship.

Alan my youngest brother recently retired from Reuters, where he helped write the original program (his name is on their patent) did a search and found an article listing all the instances of prior art.

It was written by some one who claims he was employed as a principal scientist by one the pioneers of internet content delivery.

Sent it to www.impai.org for them to consider.

Are your reading this Mr. Ryan?

Good work!

Ketadream · 08-31-2003, 02:15 PM

There stock is up...

sexeducation · 08-31-2003, 02:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by charly
Found this on another board.
Plus to make it even worse for them I think with my brothers help I may have found the "Prior Art" that will sink their ship.

Alan my youngest brother recently retired from Reuters, where he helped write the original program (his name is on their patent) did a search and found an article listing all the instances of prior art.

It was written by some one who claims he was employed as a principal scientist by one the pioneers of internet content delivery.

Sent it to www.impai.org for them to consider.

Are your reading this Mr. Ryan?

kewl ...
good job

stocktrader23 · 08-31-2003, 02:23 PM

A is for Charly.

A4L

rooster · 08-31-2003, 02:24 PM

the stock might be temporarily up, but in time it will plummet hard. Their business model is completely flawed.

FightThisPatent · 08-31-2003, 02:54 PM

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Originally posted by rooster
the stock might be temporarily up, but in time it will plummet hard. Their business model is completely flawed.

They should just take their existing patents and focus them on teleportation.. would make more money

http://www.fighthepatent.com/Teleportation.html

Dirty F · 08-31-2003, 03:08 PM

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Originally posted by Ketadream
There stock is up...

THEIR stock is up

crockett · 08-31-2003, 03:42 PM

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Originally posted by FightThisPatent

They should just take their existing patents and focus them on teleportation.. would make more money

http://www.fighthepatent.com/Teleportation.html

haha that's screwed up... I guess they watched too much star trek.. btw did they file for that patent b4 the 1st Star Trek airing?

but anyway it seems Acacia lawyers are hard at work spending all their money...

jimmyf · 08-31-2003, 04:42 PM

Lawyers = big $$. They will crash and burn.

I think the whole company is a bunch of lawyers fucking scum of the earth.

ayj · 08-31-2003, 05:33 PM

So, a bunch of lawyers sitting on a $30m+ pile of cash, seen this one before, do they necessarily care if they win or not, all they have to do is keep on running the show and keeping on putting that cash into their personal pockets as wages / fees. Who are the major shareholders?

Not necessarily good news for the minnows they like to play with.

ayj

Scootermuze · 08-31-2003, 05:41 PM

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Originally posted by Ketadream
There stock is up...

Their stock is up because of the daytraders holding out for a little jump.. then when they all dump it, you'll probably see a sub-penny stock...

fiveyes · 08-31-2003, 05:42 PM

That poor scientist from InterVU probably wishes he never wrote that back in January because of all the people that have contacted him about his 17 page document! Unfortunately, most of his references are from 1992, considerably past the time of the intitial filing of he Acacia patent(s).

Encourage your brother to keep searching though, charly. The more we have looking, the more likely we'll come up with something...

Paul Markham · 08-31-2003, 10:18 PM

I should have read all the links, just read the main one and thought the guy would have done a better job.

But the http://www.fighthepatent.com/Teleportation.html is a strange twist, are they looking forward to standing up in court and explaining this?

But this is not the way the "Patent" business works. You do not want to go to court and risk losing, you want to extort money from small guys and never have to justify it in a court of law. Or at least get £25 mil before you get to court and Sony stop the gravy train.

VirtuMike · 09-01-2003, 04:27 AM

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Originally posted by Battuss

THEIR stock is up

HAHAHA you know you're in trouble when the Dutch guy is correcting the American's English.

Rock on Battuss!

FightThisPatent · 09-01-2003, 07:07 AM

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Originally posted by charly

But the http://www.fighthepatent.com/Teleportation.html is a strange twist, are they looking forward to standing up in court and explaining this?

The article is satirical in making the interpretation of Acacia claiming patent on Teleportation. Inbetween the humor lies these points:

1) patents are sometimes written very broadly and slip by the USPTO

2) patents can be interpreted by the patent holder to mean whatever they think it means

3) patent holders sue companies to try and enforce their interpretations

4) patents can be invalidated by finding prior art, and by explaining to the judge and jury that the patent is not feasible, or possible.

While Acacia really doesn't claim teleportation (atlease I hope they don't), the article does show actual language that they used, that could allow you to interpret that they claim teleporation.

It's the same kind of language that they are interpretting to think they own the downloading/streaming of audio/video files from a (web) server.

Another satirical piece is about USA Video, another company that websites should be concerned about since they are suing MovieLink for the downloading of videos. (SightSound should also be mentioned here as well for similar claims).

http://www.FightThePatent.com/interview.html

Fight The Patent!

FightThisPatent · 09-01-2003, 07:49 AM

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Originally posted by crockett

haha that's screwed up... I guess they watched too much star trek.. btw did they file for that patent b4 the 1st Star Trek airing?

The first Star Trek episode (not counting the pilot) aired on Sept 8, 1966 at 8:30pm on NBC, title was "The Man Trap" (according to a Trekkie site)

I hope you enjoyed my fictional story, but as it is said, the truth is stranger than fiction:

http://www.cnn.com/2002/WORLD/asiapc...aust.startrek/

Fletch XXX · 09-01-2003, 08:00 AM

Gene Roddenberry was a genius and anyone who is familiar with him and his work would know.

Star Trek may have been a SCI Fi show but NASA and Physicists were always on board to make sure things were at least scientifically correct.

Everything in Star Trek is <i>theoretically</i> possible.

The problem is, since Star Trek merely suggests 'Teleportation' and doesnt give any tangible existence to the technology involved in making it reality, they hold no patent.

You can sit around thinking up ideas all day long, if you dont do anything with them, they arent worth anything.

This is why patents have to have diagrams showing how exactly things work.

You could draw a teleportation device, but no one would have a clue how to draw one that would actually work ;)

An idea is just an idea until it becomes tangible, thenm it becomes something.

Star Trek is nothing more than a histoical recount of man. Its all taken from history books pretty much. With a twist and some sci fi help, things change and the new story is born, but its basically about ship sailing and new lands ;)

Most people dont even see it or understand it. Its very similar to how cmuch Joseph Campbell (Power Of Mythology) had to do with Lucas doing Star Wars and Raiders Of The Lost Ark,(both are packed with religious and historical references)

Serge_Oprano · 09-01-2003, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by Ketadream
There stock is up...

really?

wasn't yahoo at $350 too?
;-)))

stock prices ain't mean shit

FightThisPatent · 09-01-2003, 08:06 AM

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Originally posted by Fletch XXX
Gene Roddenberry was a genius

[geek on]

Gene Roddenberry rules! (or i should say ruled, since he passed away??)

I attended a Creations Star Trek convention (two of them actually) in the 80's where Gene was the guest speaker. Totally rocked.

[/geek off]

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