Why you think they shave ?! - GoFuckYourself.com

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 03:28 AM

I want to complete a post by another man that posted about sponsors shaving..
Well.. i don't say they shave or they don't, nor give names.. i just wonder..

If they shave, what are the reasons ?

Are they greedy ?!
The money they get after paying the affiliates webmasters are not enough to pay the bills and make some profit too ?!
Any other reason ?!

4Pics · 08-22-2003, 03:31 AM

I dont think most shave, if ARS shaved you damn sure would have heard about it. The amount of webmasters who do test signups someone would have caught them by now.

The ones who shave just want x% more profit or they need to make up for chargebacks due to shitty cookie cutter sites.

I've never been able to prove anyone shaves but have always suspected certain programs.

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 03:39 AM

That is not fair...
Some of webmasters are happy with few hundreds bucks a month, and some with even less... And they shave to make not 100k but 500k... or i dont know, more or less, depending of the sponsor..

TDF · 08-22-2003, 03:39 AM

we dont shave, although i shave and trim once a week

4Pics · 08-22-2003, 03:40 AM

What isn't fair?

Umm Life is not fair either, do you bitch about that too?

ldinternet · 08-22-2003, 03:41 AM

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 03:42 AM

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Originally posted by 4Pics
What isn't fair?

Umm Life is not fair either, do you bitch about that too?

Sometime...

I Am The Walrus · 08-22-2003, 03:42 AM

Everyone shaves in some form or another.

Some sponsors have openly admitted to shaving in the past.

Others shave by having shitty stats systems others by having deliberately crappy designed sites.

from a 'statistical' standpoint i wont send traffic to ANY sponsor that has more than a 5-10% variance between MY traffic figures and THEIR stats system.

5-10% can be put down to a shit stats package.
15-20% can be put down to a REALLY SHITTY stats package.
25-30% can be put down to shaving - only dropped 4 sponsors in 2 years.

spooky181 · 08-22-2003, 03:42 AM

Can the affiliate programs that use 3rd party processors shave? or is just the ones that set up thier own programs.

Spooky

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4Pics · 08-22-2003, 03:46 AM

Any program can shave, them using a third party doesn't mean shit. They somehow thing it's impossibe but whoever says that is full of it.

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 03:46 AM

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Originally posted by spooky181
[B]Can the affiliate programs that use 3rd party processors shave? or is just the ones that set up thier own programs.

Anyone can shave.. there are many ways, and some are almost "legit"
Example. Some sponsor say that only traffic from certain countries will be counted.. so you will be paied only for that traffic...
The rest is redirected to dialer.. wich they make money from.. but you dont' get a dime.

ControlThy · 08-22-2003, 03:51 AM

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Originally posted by 4Pics
Any program can shave, them using a third party doesn't mean shit. They somehow thing it's impossibe but whoever says that is full of it.

Sure, if the third-party is actually owned by the program operator or you paid them a large sum of money to throw away their integrity.

ControlThy · 08-22-2003, 03:52 AM

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Originally posted by elmejor

Anyone can shave.. there are many ways, and some are almost "legit"
Example. Some sponsor say that only traffic from certain countries will be counted.. so you will be paied only for that traffic...
The rest is redirected to dialer.. wich they make money from.. but you dont' get a dime.

That is why people should ALWAYS read the terms and conditions.

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 03:53 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

Sure, if the third-party is actually owned by the program operator or you paid them a large sum of money to throw away their intergrity.

INTEGRITY. What a big word... i bet that the most honest webmasters in this business are the poorest ones same time..

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 03:55 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

That is why people should ALWAYS read the terms and conditions.

Only that is not allways in the terms !!

ControlThy · 08-22-2003, 04:02 AM

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Originally posted by elmejor

Only that is not allways in the terms !!

That would be illegal.

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 04:05 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

That would be illegal.

Wanna bet ?! I can prouve that.
That sponsor is even advertising on GFY...

ControlThy · 08-22-2003, 04:10 AM

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Originally posted by elmejor

Wanna bet ?! I can prouve that.
That sponsor is even advertising on GFY...

It still is against the law

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 04:13 AM

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Originally posted by ControlThy

It still is against the law

Yes.. and the conclusion is that.. THEY DON'T GIVE A FUCK !

elmejor · 08-22-2003, 04:15 AM

Oh.. and by the way.. i belive that shaving is not legal also.. even if might not be mentioned in any law... but if some1 could ever prove that some ponsor is shaving.. i belive can sue it .. for stealing or for smth else..

ControlThy · 08-22-2003, 04:26 AM

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Originally posted by elmejor
Oh.. and by the way.. i belive that shaving is not legal also.. even if might not be mentioned in any law... but if some1 could ever prove that some ponsor is shaving.. i belive can sue it .. for stealing or for smth else..

Well I do remember a sponsor being caught, they were shaving over 40% and were exposed on this board.

08-22-2003, 03:28 AM	#1
elmejor Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 262	Why you think they shave ?! I want to complete a post by another man that posted about sponsors shaving.. Well.. i don't say they shave or they don't, nor give names.. i just wonder.. If they shave, what are the reasons ? Are they greedy ?! The money they get after paying the affiliates webmasters are not enough to pay the bills and make some profit too ?! Any other reason ?!

08-22-2003, 03:39 AM	#4
TDF Triple OG nigga on GFY Industry Role: Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: in the BP4L family compound Posts: 27,296	we dont shave, although i shave and trim once a week __________________ Sig heil

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08-22-2003, 03:31 AM	#2
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	I dont think most shave, if ARS shaved you damn sure would have heard about it. The amount of webmasters who do test signups someone would have caught them by now. The ones who shave just want x% more profit or they need to make up for chargebacks due to shitty cookie cutter sites. I've never been able to prove anyone shaves but have always suspected certain programs.

08-22-2003, 03:40 AM	#5
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	What isn't fair? Umm Life is not fair either, do you bitch about that too?

08-22-2003, 03:42 AM	#8
I Am The Walrus Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2003 Posts: 1,000	Everyone shaves in some form or another. Some sponsors have openly admitted to shaving in the past. Others shave by having shitty stats systems others by having deliberately crappy designed sites. from a 'statistical' standpoint i wont send traffic to ANY sponsor that has more than a 5-10% variance between MY traffic figures and THEIR stats system. 5-10% can be put down to a shit stats package. 15-20% can be put down to a REALLY SHITTY stats package. 25-30% can be put down to shaving - only dropped 4 sponsors in 2 years.

08-22-2003, 03:42 AM	#9
spooky181 Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: back of beyond Posts: 2,951	Can the affiliate programs that use 3rd party processors shave? or is just the ones that set up thier own programs. Spooky www.CheatingXXXWife.com/extremecash/index.html

08-22-2003, 03:46 AM	#10
4Pics Confirmed User Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2001 Posts: 7,952	Any program can shave, them using a third party doesn't mean shit. They somehow thing it's impossibe but whoever says that is full of it.

08-22-2003, 04:15 AM	#20
elmejor Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 262	Oh.. and by the way.. i belive that shaving is not legal also.. even if might not be mentioned in any law... but if some1 could ever prove that some ponsor is shaving.. i belive can sue it .. for stealing or for smth else..