How easy to get over 1% CBR - GoFuckYourself.com

DeadFidel · 08-16-2003, 03:49 AM

This is from one CCbill account from one of my pay sites @ $10 bucks a pop.

This year.

2,651 Sales
7 Refunds
53 Returned Checks
4 Chargebacks
_________________

=.015 Charge Back Ratio = Account closed, Funds withheld.

That's it and it's not negotiable.

sid · 08-16-2003, 04:03 AM

??

How do you get that to being 1% ??

goBigtime · 08-16-2003, 04:09 AM

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Originally posted by sid
??

How do you get that to being 1% ??

DeadFidel · 08-16-2003, 04:22 AM

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Originally posted by sid
??

How do you get that to being 1% ??

That was my point..the math does not work, but tech people are teling me that the calulations they use are very complex and use different variables, BUT they are not sure of what they are..I need to talk to accounting. They will not be in untill Moday. I got the mail Friday at 4:49PM. Anyone ever see the movie Office Space?
The "Bobs" advise to fire someone late on friday so they have time to simmer down and not do a postal!

goBigtime · 08-16-2003, 04:23 AM

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Originally posted by DeadFidel

That was my point..the math does not work, but tech people are teling me that the calulations they use are very complex and use different variables, BUT they are not sure of what they are..I need to talk to accounting. They will not be in untill Moday. I got the mail Friday at 4:49PM. Anyone ever see the movie Office Space?
The "Bobs" advise to fire someone late on friday so they have time to simmer down and not do a postal!

Oh shit...

I thought you were talking about a HYPOTHETICAL situation...

Are you saying that CCBILL has terminated your account with those numbers?

If that's the case then this really deserves another thread with their name in it......

Something like:

"CCBills math puts me over 1% & Terminates my account!"

We all have to be on the lookout for each other & how all this 1% chargeback rule gets executed.

Then again... it's very possible that they terminated your account for some other reason and you're not giving all the information here

sid · 08-16-2003, 04:28 AM

If ccbill is closing your account because of 4 CB's when u have done 2,651 Sales, they are insane...

But if you made 2.6 sales and had 4 charge backs I could understand it....

very complex calulations my ass....

goBigtime · 08-16-2003, 04:31 AM

If its true, start a new thread topic - this one is boring and doesn't accurately represent what has happend.

rowan · 08-16-2003, 04:32 AM

Did you do anything to suddenly stop new sales, like switch billers?

Filter · 08-16-2003, 04:33 AM

Since you haven't contacted them yet I think it's pretty strong to say it's "non negotiable"

goBigtime · 08-16-2003, 04:41 AM

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Originally posted by rowan
Did you do anything to suddenly stop new sales, like switch billers?

How do they measure chargebacks?

Monthly?

So basically you are trapped into using a processor once you start in order to protect your rebills? Ie.. high previous volume, low/no current volume = terminated?

VISA & MC need to get sued in a big class action.

Tipsy · 08-16-2003, 04:49 AM

Be interesting to hear the full story behind this.

rowan · 08-16-2003, 04:50 AM

From memory the chargebacks are counted over a 3 month period. I don't recall whether they stagger the stats to match up the chargebacks with the sales, or chargebacks are counted as the month they are initiated, rather than the month of the sale.

DeadFidel · 08-16-2003, 04:52 AM

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Originally posted by Filter
Since you haven't contacted them yet I think it's pretty strong to say it's "non negotiable"

Thanks for the concern, and I have tried to contact them, but sales and accounting are not around on weekends. These are stats right from my admin 5. The non-negotiable comment came from one of the 3 techs I spoke to this morning. I rather not raise hell at this point for a still have several profiable accounts with them. "Don't shoot the Captain, for the troops may rebel".

diesel · 08-16-2003, 05:04 AM

What is your website URL ?

DeadFidel · 08-16-2003, 05:37 AM

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Originally posted by diz
What is your website URL ?

If you read my last post, you'll undersatnd why I am posting the URL. Mark@CCbil- is always on here helping out with his companies problems. I just wrote him. I will update with explaination as forwared.

diesel · 08-16-2003, 05:40 AM

Yeah Mark is a great supporter ...

OneHungLo · 08-16-2003, 06:11 AM

WTF???????????

Therre's gotta be more to it than this...bye bye ccbill if this is the case

OneHungLo · 08-16-2003, 06:34 AM

Is this the first case?? anyone else?

corvette · 08-16-2003, 08:05 AM

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Originally posted by DeadFidel
Thanks for the concern, and I have tried to contact them, but sales and accounting are not around on weekends.

sales should be around on the weekends, and pretty soon you will be able to handle accounting issues on weekends as well

?but im around on the weekends

Can you forward me your email? I had not gotten it yet

[email protected]

BVF · 08-16-2003, 08:09 AM

damn, they're really not playing.....

corvette · 08-16-2003, 08:14 AM

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Originally posted by BVF
damn, they're really not playing.....

for the record, bvf, I doubt that a high chargeback rate is the case here...

I have an idea of what this is about, but I would like to see the email first to confirm it

DutchTeenCash · 08-16-2003, 08:42 AM

the % is monthly just got off icq with corvett he said 2 cb we have on 750+ sales the last months is nuffin to worry about, something else must be wrong for sure.

DeadFidel · 08-16-2003, 08:54 AM

To Mark, (CCbill) just spoke with Justin in tech. (very helpfull) Clearly someone misread the Zero, 0.01 vs 0.1 Waitng for a call back to confirm.

corvette · 08-16-2003, 09:22 AM

Ok, im at the office now and had just spoken to Justin

this issue has nothing to do with chargebacks

expect a call back from him in a minute

directfiesta · 08-16-2003, 09:32 AM

Long intermission...

When do we have the sequel: running out of popcorn.

calm · 08-16-2003, 09:37 AM

Please do tell.

JamesK · 08-16-2003, 09:42 AM

sid · 08-16-2003, 10:06 AM

Head for the mountains.....

pamphage · 08-16-2003, 10:07 AM

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Originally posted by directfiesta
Long intermission...

When do we have the sequel: running out of popcorn.

bump

chupacabra · 08-16-2003, 10:22 AM

er... bump? such a tantalizing thread really deserves some sort of conclusion, or at least a tongue-in-cheek brush off..?

calm · 08-16-2003, 10:27 AM

come onnnnnnn

pamphage · 08-16-2003, 10:31 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
Ok, im at the office now and had just spoken to Justin

this issue has nothing to do with chargebacks

expect a call back from him in a minute

probably CP.

wargames · 08-16-2003, 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadFidel
This is from one CCbill account from one of my pay sites @ $10 bucks a pop.

This year.

2,651 Sales
7 Refunds
53 Returned Checks
4 Chargebacks
_________________

=.015 Charge Back Ratio = Account closed, Funds withheld.

That's it and it's not negotiable.

that sucks

lexr · 08-16-2003, 11:03 AM

By the way, mad respect for you CCBill folks working on weekends and responding to that dude.

One thing too.. isn't there supposed to be a 100 CB threshold or something where if you don't meet it monthly, then the 1% CB requirement doesn't apply? Or am I just dreaming stuff up?

DeadFidel · 08-16-2003, 11:13 AM

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Originally posted by calm
come onnnnnnn

http://www.pamphage.com

Sorry it's an artist's site...opps

Just_Dave · 08-16-2003, 11:21 AM

they will change it agian i think

Ray@TastyDollars · 08-16-2003, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
Ok, im at the office now and had just spoken to Justin

this issue has nothing to do with chargebacks

expect a call back from him in a minute

Bump

cherrylula · 08-16-2003, 11:51 AM

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Originally posted by DeadFidel

http://www.pamphage.com

Sorry it's an artist's site...opps

If thats the site in question, I clicked around and was at a globill sign up page pretty fast. Might wanna fix that

wheres the ccbill signup?

JamesK · 08-16-2003, 11:54 AM

that site is so fucking confusing

corvette · 08-16-2003, 12:22 PM

It is ridiculous to think that I would be at liberty to discuss or reveal any of our client information to anybody, let alone on a public message board

There is a 100 chargeback minimum for sponsored merchants, as mentioned here

pamphage · 08-16-2003, 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by DeadFidel

http://www.pamphage.com

Sorry it's an artist's site...opps

lol. touche!

pamphage · 08-16-2003, 12:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by corvett
[B]It is ridiculous to think that I would be at liberty to discuss or reveal any of our client information to anybody, let alone on a public message board

don't think anyone expected you to. i think we were hoping deadfidel would fill us in himself.

directfiesta · 08-16-2003, 01:06 PM

I hate it when I fall asleep during a movie and don't see the end....

KCat · 08-16-2003, 02:20 PM

Is that really the site? What's with the Paypal sign up? He's just asking for trouble.

08-16-2003, 03:49 AM	#1
DeadFidel Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: This was my wife circa 2002 Posts: 6,760	How easy to get over 1% CBR This is from one CCbill account from one of my pay sites @ $10 bucks a pop. This year. 2,651 Sales 7 Refunds 53 Returned Checks 4 Chargebacks _________________ =.015 Charge Back Ratio = Account closed, Funds withheld. That's it and it's not negotiable.

08-16-2003, 04:33 AM	#9
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sid Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 105	?? How do you get that to being 1% ??

08-16-2003, 04:28 AM	#6
sid Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 105	If ccbill is closing your account because of 4 CB's when u have done 2,651 Sales, they are insane... But if you made 2.6 sales and had 4 charge backs I could understand it.... very complex calulations my ass....

08-16-2003, 04:31 AM	#7
goBigtime Confirmed User Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 7,761	If its true, start a new thread topic - this one is boring and doesn't accurately represent what has happend.

08-16-2003, 04:32 AM	#8
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	Did you do anything to suddenly stop new sales, like switch billers?

08-16-2003, 04:50 AM	#12
rowan Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 17,393	From memory the chargebacks are counted over a 3 month period. I don't recall whether they stagger the stats to match up the chargebacks with the sales, or chargebacks are counted as the month they are initiated, rather than the month of the sale.

08-16-2003, 05:04 AM	#14
diesel Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 1,097	What is your website URL ?

08-16-2003, 05:40 AM	#16
diesel Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Amsterdam Posts: 1,097	Yeah Mark is a great supporter ...

08-16-2003, 06:11 AM	#17
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	WTF??????????? Therre's gotta be more to it than this...bye bye ccbill if this is the case

08-16-2003, 06:34 AM	#18
OneHungLo So Fucking Banned Industry Role: Join Date: May 2001 Location: Your mom's front hole Posts: 40,906	Is this the first case?? anyone else?

08-16-2003, 08:54 AM	#23
DeadFidel Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: This was my wife circa 2002 Posts: 6,760	To Mark, (CCbill) just spoke with Justin in tech. (very helpfull) Clearly someone misread the Zero, 0.01 vs 0.1 Waitng for a call back to confirm.

08-16-2003, 09:22 AM	#24
corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	Ok, im at the office now and had just spoken to Justin this issue has nothing to do with chargebacks expect a call back from him in a minute __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

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sid Confirmed User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 105	Head for the mountains.....

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08-16-2003, 11:03 AM	#34
lexr Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Tempe, AZ Posts: 428	By the way, mad respect for you CCBill folks working on weekends and responding to that dude. One thing too.. isn't there supposed to be a 100 CB threshold or something where if you don't meet it monthly, then the 1% CB requirement doesn't apply? Or am I just dreaming stuff up?

08-16-2003, 11:21 AM	#36
Just_Dave Its almost time Industry Role: Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 13,009	they will change it agian i think

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corvette Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: scottsdale Posts: 7,880	It is ridiculous to think that I would be at liberty to discuss or reveal any of our client information to anybody, let alone on a public message board There is a 100 chargeback minimum for sponsored merchants, as mentioned here __________________ If you need a good company for check writing services, then check out checkissuing, and for webhosting, check out Phoenix NAP

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