Couple Charged with Distributing Obscene Materials - GoFuckYourself.com

Xenophage · 08-07-2003, 12:44 PM

http://kdka.com/local/local_story_219140728.html

MattO · 08-07-2003, 12:45 PM

the key is probably "through the mail" that's a no-no

cherrylula · 08-07-2003, 12:47 PM

Ouch.

"Obscenity is not protected speech under the First Amendment, she said."

Fucking fuckers, meanwhile priests are raping little boys.

foolio · 08-07-2003, 12:48 PM

WTF? Are we all going to jail now?

Fletch XXX · 08-07-2003, 12:49 PM

Names like 'Extreme' and Lizzie Borden, nah, youll never get attention to your parcel.

what kind of videos did they mail?

tell me its a BLUMPKIN flick.

detoxed · 08-07-2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MattO
the key is probably "through the mail" that's a no-no

A lot of porn companies that film their own content sell their videos on the members area of paysites.....

Xenophage · 08-07-2003, 12:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foolio
WTF? Are we all going to jail now?

If you do anything outside the box you are a target !

ALSO 2257 is going to be a KEY issue.

Fletch XXX · 08-07-2003, 12:51 PM

Oh poor litle Pittsburgh rape fan cant get his videos.

'Buchanan said lack of enforcement has led to the proliferation of violent and degrading images such as distributed by Extreme Associates. One of the videos depicts rape and murder, she said.'

more shit for the fire.

Spunky · 08-07-2003, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foolio
WTF? Are we all going to jail now?

No..just you

foolio · 08-07-2003, 12:51 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by LegendaryLars

If you do anything outside the box you are a target !

So what in porn is 'inside the box'?

digifan · 08-07-2003, 12:51 PM

Only if you sell stuff like this..
" One of the videos depicts rape and murder, she said:.

MattO · 08-07-2003, 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed

A lot of porn companies that film their own content sell their videos on the members area of paysites.....

from what I've seen if you're going to ship a physical package, use UPS or FedEx, and stay away from the US Mail

BradShaw · 08-07-2003, 12:52 PM

Did you see who was charged? Rob Black, he does crazy shit, max hardcore style.

foolio · 08-07-2003, 12:54 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by MattO

from what I've seen if you're going to ship a physical package, use UPS or FedEx, and stay away from the US Mail

whats the difference? In a legal way I mean.

KC · 08-07-2003, 12:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by detoxed

A lot of porn companies that film their own content sell their videos on the members area of paysites.....

Fedex, UPS, DHL are not controlled by postal inspectors... These guys need to keep their extreme stuff out of the US mail.

BlackCrayon · 08-07-2003, 12:56 PM

sounds like extreme's video "Forced Entry". basic premise is that these guys come into an unexpecting girls house, rape her and then kill her. one of the guys pretends to be Richard Ramierez or some shit. lame...

detoxed · 08-07-2003, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC

Fedex, UPS, DHL are not controlled by postal inspectors... These guys need to keep their extreme stuff out of the US mail.

true, but they need a warrant to open your packages through US Mail, you sign a waiver with Fedex and UPS to allow anyone to search your stuff.

foolio · 08-07-2003, 12:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by KC

Fedex, UPS, DHL are not controlled by postal inspectors... These guys need to keep their extreme stuff out of the US mail.

ah, ok. But still - mailing something is still mailing something right?

tony286 · 08-07-2003, 12:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foolio

whats the difference? In a legal way I mean.

My lawyer told me that also, one you are using the private company and the other one you are using a government agency. The law also states you cant use the US mail for this, there is no excuse to use the US mail other than laziness.

JohnW · 08-07-2003, 01:02 PM

It would do production companies a world of good to know exactly what is "inside the box" and what is "outside the box" with regards to the jurisdiction that their content is produced in. Too many people who want to produce content never do the research into what they can and cannot produce in the the area that they are producing it in.
What may be legal to produce in California may not be legal to produce in Nebraska.

Here in Canada, the Criminal Code spans coast to coast, and blankets the country, essentially making it easier to know what is legal and what isn't legal to produce, no matter where in Canada it's shot.

From what I understand, each State has it's own set of rules when it comes to sexually oriented productions, correct?

Bottom line is; Do your homework before you buy that digital camera and start snapping pics of your girlfriend/boyfriend...

But, when you're producing stuff like this guy, you're asking for it no matter where you are.
=)

funkmaster · 08-07-2003, 01:08 PM

... the website is still up !!

Va2k · 08-07-2003, 01:13 PM

this is one main reason i use fedex and ups and i dont normaly sell vidoe tapes or dvds screw that
TOM

Xenophage · 08-07-2003, 01:55 PM

HWat about single model softcore videos.

or do you feel this is still asking for trouble ?

Carrie · 08-07-2003, 02:14 PM

It's still sending pornographic material across state lines, no matter whether it's softcore solo or hardcore boy/girl.

KRL · 08-07-2003, 02:21 PM

If you know the kinds of extremely over the edge videos Zicari produces its no wonder he's got legal problems up the ass now.

Plus he takes the GFY attitude to law enforcement which is just plain stupid.

But I will say one thing, if he doesn't get successfully prosecuted on obscenity charges, we can all rest easy, because those type of videos are as far as you can go short of producing snuff films.

Carrie · 08-07-2003, 02:24 PM

Yeppers, when they say their shit was extreme, they MEANT it.
They were asking for trouble with that stuff and they got it, full on.
But like KRL said, it will definitely set a precedent and will be one to watch. If it fails, many sites will be using it as a defense - if it goes through, it will encourage state attorneys to go after milder targets.

Elli · 08-07-2003, 02:24 PM

Is this the same event?

http://www.xtremeprowrestling.com/he.../52182338.html

Probono · 08-07-2003, 02:26 PM

Somehow rape and snuff might be considered extreme and maybe even obscene but consider this a harbinger.

To J. Ashxxxxxt a bare breast on a statue of justice was obscene. Under his concept of community standards we all need to be a bit wary.

Mutt · 08-07-2003, 02:26 PM

no loss if Rob Black, Khan Tusion, Max Hardcore et al go down - they drag the whole industry through the mud. We're in the erotica business - they are in the human degradation business.

KRL · 08-07-2003, 02:30 PM

Good point. Don't know how many folks here have seen a Max Hardcore movie, but that stuff is just waiting to be nailed next in line after Extreme.

theharvman · 08-07-2003, 02:30 PM

I shoot all the time and my stuff sells with out ever having to "depict rape and murder" Those pople should be behind bars! See Ya!

KC · 08-07-2003, 02:33 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by foolio

ah, ok. But still - mailing something is still mailing something right?

I'm no attorney.. But obviously since the Post Office is a Federal agency, there are specific laws outlining every aspect of the agency.

Title 39 of the US Code covers the US Postal Service.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/39/

And Section 18 - 1461 covers Mailing Obscene or crime-inciting matter.

http://www4.law.cornell.edu/uscode/18/1461.html

If you mail content through the US Postal System, check with an attorney to see if FedEx or UPS would allow you to transport your content without taking as much risk.

funkmaster · 08-07-2003, 02:35 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Probono
Somehow rape and snuff might be considered extreme and maybe even obscene but consider this a harbinger.

... wtf ?

clubsexy · 08-07-2003, 02:43 PM

Rob Black makes some pretty hardcore, border line stuff. I saw this movie where a van full of masked guys ran down a chick in a wheel chair and gang raped her.

It was obviously not really rape, but it was meant to look like it. Another scene in the movie showed two burglers come in, masked, tie a woman up and throw her into the pool, killing her.

It was all erotic and whatever, I think the movie was called "Miscreants" or something.

Good luck to them really

TampaJim · 08-07-2003, 02:55 PM

Hardcore Pornography is considered obscene in many areas. I run a lagre adult mail order company that only distributes soft core videos. I have had many oppurtunities to carry hard core products, but by doing so, the morality of these products would fall under the jurisdiction of every little county and state law where these videos end up. Solo girl/ softcore videos are not considered obscene in very many places. There are, however, several states where purchasers of even these products must be 21: AL, MS, NE, & WV.

The reason that Rob Black is having to go to court in Pittsburgh and justify the morality of his brand of pornography is simply greed. There are a couple of very good adult mail order companies out there that distribute even cutting edge pornographic video tapes. These companies take all the risk, and ask for a cut of the profit in return. Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, Max Hardcore, and many others go this route. They share their profits with a smart mailorder company and keep out of Mississippi/Utah/Pittsburgh courtrooms.

tony286 · 08-07-2003, 03:06 PM

In the box or out of the box, here is the barometer I use. I picture myself sitting in front of the jury and they pop my video in. What will the look on the jurors faces ? Regular sucking and fucking or girl girl or solo girl people might not like it but they wont be shocked. Raping someone or making her throwup on your dick that is shocking. They are going to go after people they have a good chance of winning, mike and mary fucking on bed is a so what for the most part especially when you can see people almost fucking on real sex on hbo. You can buy a penthouse at borders with people fucking and its graphic, every little pop star is half naked grinding covered in sweat. Most are pretty numb to that. Want to make the extreme stuff, you make the bucks but you are asking for trouble.

John3 · 08-07-2003, 03:25 PM

I'm more interested in the downloading on the internet part of this case . . .

As long as they prosecute obscenity on the local level the internet is a mighty small place.

tony286 · 08-07-2003, 03:29 PM

Robert Zicari and Janet Romano, both of Northridge, and their company, Extreme Associates, were indicted for allegedly distributing three videos to the Pittsburgh area through the mail and over the Internet, U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said Thursday.

Its the using the US mail that got them, they threw in the net for effect. There are probably 100's if not 1000's of hard core sites in PA, if they were going after the net they didnt have to go to CA.

Mr.Fiction · 08-07-2003, 03:36 PM

Anti-American bullshit, busting some guy for a fictional movie where no one was hurt.

tony286 · 08-07-2003, 03:39 PM

Just read another article and it said :

Buchanan said the prosecution "is not ... about limiting personal sexual conduct. This is not a case about banning sexually explicit materials."

Authorities won't go after producers of mainstream pornography or even customers of companies such as Extreme Associates, she said.

The extreme stuff makes easy wins and it has been going alittle too far it is time to reel it back in alittle .

Mr.Fiction · 08-07-2003, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404

The extreme stuff makes easy wins and it has been going alittle too far it is time to reel it back in alittle .

Bullshit. It's not "easy wins". Max Hardcore did not lose his recent case.

You may not agree with what Max is doing, but assuming no one is actually being hurt, he's an American and he has the right to free speech.

tony286 · 08-07-2003, 03:47 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Mr.Fiction

Bullshit. It's not "easy wins". Max Hardcore did not lose his recent case.

You may not agree with what Max is doing, but assuming no one is actually being hurt, he's an American and he has the right to free speech.

If I am correct Max didnt win his case, he is being retired isnt he. Also Max was proscuted in CA lets see in PA or WI , he would be dealing with anal sex from a whole new position lol. Abusing woman on video is not free speech.

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Mr.Fiction · 08-07-2003, 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404

Abusing woman on video is not free speech.

They are pretending to ambush women and that had better be free speech or every mainstream movie that has a scene like that would be illegal.

The Dirty Harry movies with Clint Eastwood have violent rape and murder in them. Should they be illegal too?

What about pretending to murder someone in a mainstream movie, should that be illegal?

ibs · 08-07-2003, 03:51 PM

yeah what about that jodie foster movie where she fucked those guys and then cried rape later

huh what about that

what about mickey rourke he rapes some chick in every movie he is in almost every movie any way

tony286 · 08-07-2003, 03:54 PM

I am sorry I know two models that went to LA to shoot porn and basically got intimated into a extreme type of scene. Being told you will never work again, you wasted our time. They are new and dont know any better so they did it and it wasnt pleasant at all . One never did porn again because it was so bad. In a main stream movie that doesnt happen. In fact in the nightline interview Lizzy said the models dont know whats going to happen and they get pretty shook up but I take them shopping afterwards to make it up to them. That never happens on a Dirty Harry set.

ibs · 08-07-2003, 04:06 PM

and marilyn monroe is dead now isn't she?

I am sorry to hear about the two girls having a hard time but that is not the way it always goes with every pornographer

I am sure there is plenty of cock sucking and assorted sexual acts done by all top female stars on the way to the top

which is not possible to be a true statement also

tony286 · 08-07-2003, 06:37 PM

I have to post a retraction it wasnt nightline it was frontline their american porn show (which if you havent watched is very good
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ ) and this what she said:

NARRATOR: Today they're shooting the box cover for Lizzie's new feature.

LIZZIE BORDEN: A girl being kidnapped, being forced to have sex against her will.

NARRATOR: Lizzie's newest film breaks many of even porn's taboos.

LIZZIE BORDEN: Being butchered at the end, and spit on. She's being degraded.

NARRATOR: The actress, Veronica Caine, apparently doesn't know exactly what she's in for.

ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Just go with the flow, all right? Let happen what's going to happen.

LIZZIE BORDEN: She's, like, one of my best friends.

INTERVIEWER: And you're about to put her through-

LIZZIE BORDEN: Hell.

INTERVIEWER: Why?

LIZZIE BORDEN: She knows me. She's my best friend. I know she can take it. And at the end, I give her a hug. I take her out to dinner. We go shopping.

directfiesta · 08-07-2003, 07:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by tony404
That never happens on a Dirty Harry set.

Nope, just on the casting couch...

TheSaint · 08-07-2003, 09:24 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by TampaJim
These companies take all the risk, and ask for a cut of the profit in return. Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, Max Hardcore, and many others go this route. They share their profits with a smart mailorder company and keep out of Mississippi/Utah/Pittsburgh courtrooms.

Who are these companies? (he asks, with an eye on a few dozen dvds waiting to be shipped...)

08-07-2003, 12:44 PM	#1
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	Couple Charged with Distributing Obscene Materials http://kdka.com/local/local_story_219140728.html

08-07-2003, 12:48 PM	#4
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08-07-2003, 12:49 PM	#5
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Names like 'Extreme' and Lizzie Borden, nah, youll never get attention to your parcel. what kind of videos did they mail? tell me its a BLUMPKIN flick. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

08-07-2003, 12:51 PM	#8
Fletch XXX GFY HALL OF FAME DAMMIT!!! Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: that 504 Posts: 60,840	Oh poor litle Pittsburgh rape fan cant get his videos. 'Buchanan said lack of enforcement has led to the proliferation of violent and degrading images such as distributed by Extreme Associates. One of the videos depicts rape and murder, she said.' more shit for the fire. __________________ Want an Android App for your tube, membership, or free site? Need banners or promo material? Hit us up (ICQ Fletch: 148841377) or email me fletchxxx at gmail.com - recent work - About me

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digifan The Profiler Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ICQ 76281726 and I'm female Posts: 14,618	Only if you sell stuff like this.. " One of the videos depicts rape and murder, she said:. __________________ [email protected] Webair Rocks

08-07-2003, 12:45 PM	#2
MattO The O is for Oohhh Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: AUSTIN TEJAS Posts: 10,861	the key is probably "through the mail" that's a no-no

08-07-2003, 12:47 PM	#3
cherrylula lol Industry Role: Join Date: Jan 2002 Posts: 15,969	Ouch. "Obscenity is not protected speech under the First Amendment, she said." Fucking fuckers, meanwhile priests are raping little boys.

08-07-2003, 12:52 PM	#13
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BlackCrayon Too lazy to set a custom title Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Ottawa Posts: 19,631	sounds like extreme's video "Forced Entry". basic premise is that these guys come into an unexpecting girls house, rape her and then kill her. one of the guys pretends to be Richard Ramierez or some shit. lame... __________________ you don't know you're wearing a leash if you sit by the peg all day..

08-07-2003, 01:02 PM	#20
JohnW Confirmed User Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: under your bed Posts: 642	It would do production companies a world of good to know exactly what is "inside the box" and what is "outside the box" with regards to the jurisdiction that their content is produced in. Too many people who want to produce content never do the research into what they can and cannot produce in the the area that they are producing it in. What may be legal to produce in California may not be legal to produce in Nebraska. Here in Canada, the Criminal Code spans coast to coast, and blankets the country, essentially making it easier to know what is legal and what isn't legal to produce, no matter where in Canada it's shot. From what I understand, each State has it's own set of rules when it comes to sexually oriented productions, correct? Bottom line is; Do your homework before you buy that digital camera and start snapping pics of your girlfriend/boyfriend... But, when you're producing stuff like this guy, you're asking for it no matter where you are. =)

08-07-2003, 01:08 PM	#21
funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	... the website is still up !!

08-07-2003, 01:13 PM	#22
Va2k I’m still alive barley. Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Va Posts: 10,060	this is one main reason i use fedex and ups and i dont normaly sell vidoe tapes or dvds screw that TOM __________________

08-07-2003, 01:55 PM	#23
Xenophage Registered User Industry Role: Join Date: Oct 2001 Posts: 12,122	HWat about single model softcore videos. or do you feel this is still asking for trouble ?

08-07-2003, 02:14 PM	#24
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	It's still sending pornographic material across state lines, no matter whether it's softcore solo or hardcore boy/girl.

08-07-2003, 02:21 PM	#25
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	If you know the kinds of extremely over the edge videos Zicari produces its no wonder he's got legal problems up the ass now. Plus he takes the GFY attitude to law enforcement which is just plain stupid. But I will say one thing, if he doesn't get successfully prosecuted on obscenity charges, we can all rest easy, because those type of videos are as far as you can go short of producing snuff films. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

08-07-2003, 02:24 PM	#26
Carrie Confirmed User Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Virgin - nee Posts: 3,162	Yeppers, when they say their shit was extreme, they MEANT it. They were asking for trouble with that stuff and they got it, full on. But like KRL said, it will definitely set a precedent and will be one to watch. If it fails, many sites will be using it as a defense - if it goes through, it will encourage state attorneys to go after milder targets.

08-07-2003, 02:24 PM	#27
Elli Reach for those stars! Industry Role: Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 17,991	Is this the same event? http://www.xtremeprowrestling.com/he.../52182338.html __________________ email: [email protected]

08-07-2003, 02:26 PM	#28
Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	Somehow rape and snuff might be considered extreme and maybe even obscene but consider this a harbinger. To J. Ashxxxxxt a bare breast on a statue of justice was obscene. Under his concept of community standards we all need to be a bit wary.

08-07-2003, 02:26 PM	#29
Mutt Too lazy to set a custom title Industry Role: Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 34,431	no loss if Rob Black, Khan Tusion, Max Hardcore et al go down - they drag the whole industry through the mud. We're in the erotica business - they are in the human degradation business. __________________ I moved my sites to Vacares Hosting. I've saved money, my hair is thicker, lost some weight too! Thanks Sly!

08-07-2003, 02:30 PM	#30
KRL Entrepreneur Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 31,429	Good point. Don't know how many folks here have seen a Max Hardcore movie, but that stuff is just waiting to be nailed next in line after Extreme. __________________ If you would like to develop your domains, you can lease inexpensive foreign labor from the leaders in the field at iWebmasters.com TO LOWER YOUR COSTS AND INCREASE YOUR PRODUCTION! * * * * * * * * * * * * Domains Adult News KRL's Newsletter Biz Tips Just Listed Domains

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08-07-2003, 02:43 PM	#34
clubsexy Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Anaheim, CA Posts: 1,630	Rob Black makes some pretty hardcore, border line stuff. I saw this movie where a van full of masked guys ran down a chick in a wheel chair and gang raped her. It was obviously not really rape, but it was meant to look like it. Another scene in the movie showed two burglers come in, masked, tie a woman up and throw her into the pool, killing her. It was all erotic and whatever, I think the movie was called "Miscreants" or something. Good luck to them really __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

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TampaJim Confirmed User Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Tampa, FL Posts: 207	Hardcore Pornography is considered obscene in many areas. I run a lagre adult mail order company that only distributes soft core videos. I have had many oppurtunities to carry hard core products, but by doing so, the morality of these products would fall under the jurisdiction of every little county and state law where these videos end up. Solo girl/ softcore videos are not considered obscene in very many places. There are, however, several states where purchasers of even these products must be 21: AL, MS, NE, & WV. The reason that Rob Black is having to go to court in Pittsburgh and justify the morality of his brand of pornography is simply greed. There are a couple of very good adult mail order companies out there that distribute even cutting edge pornographic video tapes. These companies take all the risk, and ask for a cut of the profit in return. Evil Angel, Elegant Angel, Max Hardcore, and many others go this route. They share their profits with a smart mailorder company and keep out of Mississippi/Utah/Pittsburgh courtrooms. __________________ SIG TOO BIG! Maximum 120x60 button and no more than 3 text lines of DEFAULT SIZE and COLOR. Unless your sig is for a GFY top banner sponsor, then you may use a 624x80 instead of a 120x60.

08-07-2003, 03:06 PM	#36
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	In the box or out of the box, here is the barometer I use. I picture myself sitting in front of the jury and they pop my video in. What will the look on the jurors faces ? Regular sucking and fucking or girl girl or solo girl people might not like it but they wont be shocked. Raping someone or making her throwup on your dick that is shocking. They are going to go after people they have a good chance of winning, mike and mary fucking on bed is a so what for the most part especially when you can see people almost fucking on real sex on hbo. You can buy a penthouse at borders with people fucking and its graphic, every little pop star is half naked grinding covered in sweat. Most are pretty numb to that. Want to make the extreme stuff, you make the bucks but you are asking for trouble.

08-07-2003, 03:25 PM	#37
John3 Confirmed User Join Date: May 2003 Location: Austin Posts: 1,214	I'm more interested in the downloading on the internet part of this case . . . As long as they prosecute obscenity on the local level the internet is a mighty small place. __________________ Hook 'em.

08-07-2003, 03:29 PM	#38
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Robert Zicari and Janet Romano, both of Northridge, and their company, Extreme Associates, were indicted for allegedly distributing three videos to the Pittsburgh area through the mail and over the Internet, U.S. Attorney Mary Beth Buchanan said Thursday. Its the using the US mail that got them, they threw in the net for effect. There are probably 100's if not 1000's of hard core sites in PA, if they were going after the net they didnt have to go to CA.

08-07-2003, 03:36 PM	#39
Mr.Fiction Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Free Speech Land Posts: 9,484	Anti-American bullshit, busting some guy for a fictional movie where no one was hurt. __________________ Don't be lazy, protect free speech: ACLU \| Free Speech Coalition \| EFF \| IMPA

08-07-2003, 03:39 PM	#40
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	Just read another article and it said : Buchanan said the prosecution "is not ... about limiting personal sexual conduct. This is not a case about banning sexually explicit materials." Authorities won't go after producers of mainstream pornography or even customers of companies such as Extreme Associates, she said. The extreme stuff makes easy wins and it has been going alittle too far it is time to reel it back in alittle .

08-07-2003, 03:48 PM	#43
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08-07-2003, 03:51 PM	#45
ibs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: yahoo id internetbroadcasting Posts: 277	yeah what about that jodie foster movie where she fucked those guys and then cried rape later huh what about that what about mickey rourke he rapes some chick in every movie he is in almost every movie any way __________________ ibs

08-07-2003, 03:54 PM	#46
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I am sorry I know two models that went to LA to shoot porn and basically got intimated into a extreme type of scene. Being told you will never work again, you wasted our time. They are new and dont know any better so they did it and it wasnt pleasant at all . One never did porn again because it was so bad. In a main stream movie that doesnt happen. In fact in the nightline interview Lizzy said the models dont know whats going to happen and they get pretty shook up but I take them shopping afterwards to make it up to them. That never happens on a Dirty Harry set.

08-07-2003, 04:06 PM	#47
ibs Confirmed User Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: yahoo id internetbroadcasting Posts: 277	and marilyn monroe is dead now isn't she? I am sorry to hear about the two girls having a hard time but that is not the way it always goes with every pornographer I am sure there is plenty of cock sucking and assorted sexual acts done by all top female stars on the way to the top which is not possible to be a true statement also __________________ ibs

08-07-2003, 06:37 PM	#48
tony286 lurker Industry Role: Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: atlanta Posts: 57,021	I have to post a retraction it wasnt nightline it was frontline their american porn show (which if you havent watched is very good http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/pages/frontline/shows/porn/ ) and this what she said: NARRATOR: Today they're shooting the box cover for Lizzie's new feature. LIZZIE BORDEN: A girl being kidnapped, being forced to have sex against her will. NARRATOR: Lizzie's newest film breaks many of even porn's taboos. LIZZIE BORDEN: Being butchered at the end, and spit on. She's being degraded. NARRATOR: The actress, Veronica Caine, apparently doesn't know exactly what she's in for. ASSISTANT DIRECTOR: Just go with the flow, all right? Let happen what's going to happen. LIZZIE BORDEN: She's, like, one of my best friends. INTERVIEWER: And you're about to put her through- LIZZIE BORDEN: Hell. INTERVIEWER: Why? LIZZIE BORDEN: She knows me. She's my best friend. I know she can take it. And at the end, I give her a hug. I take her out to dinner. We go shopping.