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Resolute · 07-23-2003, 03:29 PM

What did you think ?

detoxed · 07-23-2003, 03:30 PM

They were not too enthusiastic when reading the questions

justsexxx · 07-23-2003, 03:31 PM

was okay IMO, but I didn't get one thing. WHat I understood from IBILL is that in stead of JOIN OUR SITE now button, you have to use IBILL logo/ccbill LOGO etc.(so clickable logo of ISPS to the joinpage)

But in the ccbill email it says, you don't have to change a thing...WHat's up with that?

Andre

MikeEP · 07-23-2003, 03:31 PM

came in like shit.....but still informative none the less. Hard to hear, but i think i got most of it.

socalcash · 07-23-2003, 03:31 PM

.85 is not too far from .1

interesting

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 03:31 PM

Highly controlled !! Would of liked to see " The Real" questions that would of been flooding in....

Do you think Ibills complyance dept will be able to process all the merchant changes by the 22nd of August - I think not !!

revbuddylove · 07-23-2003, 03:31 PM

can someone summerize? I tuned in a little late.

woodman · 07-23-2003, 03:32 PM

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Originally posted by socalcash
.85 is not too far from .1

interesting

What are the other processors numbers?

tony286 · 07-23-2003, 03:33 PM

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Originally posted by revbuddylove
can someone summerize? I tuned in a little late.

You can replay it on the site

NetRodent · 07-23-2003, 03:38 PM

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Originally posted by Resolute
Highly controlled !! Would of liked to see " The Real" questions that would of been flooding in....

The "real" questions were being read, one of mine was read and answered. The other two I asked later didn't seem to make it to them before the end of the webcast.

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodman

What are the other processors numbers?

Would be interesting to know

jennycards · 07-23-2003, 03:38 PM

To be honest: I can read myself. Don't need an iBill executive to do that for me. Very poor webcast for a publicly listed corporation.

iBill Communications · 07-23-2003, 03:39 PM

We'd like to thank you for taking the time to tune in. Unfortunately, were unable to answer all the questions that came in due to time constraints, and many good questions came in after we wrapped the webcast. We will give these questions our attention in the FAQ section of the website. This section of the site will be available tomorrow. The answers will appear in the MasterCard support section of our website.

iBill

NetRodent · 07-23-2003, 03:39 PM

quiet · 07-23-2003, 03:39 PM

i missed it. are they going to send out an email summary of exactly what needs to be done or do i have to watch it and take fucking notes?

NetRodent · 07-23-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by socalcash
.85 is not too far from .1

interesting

That's 0.85% and the MC rule is 1.0% by transactions or 2.5% by dollar value.

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 03:41 PM

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Originally posted by iBill Communications
We'd like to thank you for taking the time to tune in. Unfortunately, were unable to answer all the questions that came in due to time constraints, and many good questions came in after we wrapped the webcast. We will give these questions our attention in the FAQ section of the website. This section of the site will be available tomorrow. The answers will appear in the MasterCard support section of our website.

iBill

Its good to see that Ibills communication with the webmaster is finally improving !! These webcasts need to be more frequent and not as orchestrated..

Probono · 07-23-2003, 03:43 PM

They did not answer my question as to whether refunds + chargeback need to be under 1% (What Epoch has stated)

if I used an IPSP and did rebilling I would be terrified that if the IPSP exceeds 1% for 2 months I would not be able to rebill for one year!

Your business is truely in their hands now.

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Probono
They did not answer my question as to whether refunds + chargeback need to be under 1% (What Epoch has stated)

if I used an IPSP and did rebilling I would be terrified that if the IPSP exceeds 1% for 2 months I would not be able to rebill for one year!

Your business is truely in their hands now.

I would think the questions they answered were probabelly written by them, prior to the webcast

Dravyk · 07-23-2003, 03:49 PM

From this page: http://www.ibill.com/support/masterc.../mcCompFaq.cfm

"Client website can no longer contain any specific price points, client website can only contain a price teaser, such as ?as low as $19.95? "

... Say what???

Rich · 07-23-2003, 03:49 PM

Ibill has employees?

imageman · 07-23-2003, 03:50 PM

Fucking amazing waste of time, didnt answer any questions about chargebacks web 900 what these changes will do to cut down on charge backs.

Its all a fraud.

NetRodent · 07-23-2003, 03:50 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Probono
They did not answer my question as to whether refunds + chargeback need to be under 1% (What Epoch has stated)

if I used an IPSP and did rebilling I would be terrified that if the IPSP exceeds 1% for 2 months I would not be able to rebill for one year!

Your business is truely in their hands now.

I would assume that to be the case, I don't see why the rules would be different for iBill. The potential to lose rebilling for a year is very scary. I guess its time to do what MasterCard wants and get our own merchant account. Bleh!

NetRodent · 07-23-2003, 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dravyk
From this page: http://www.ibill.com/support/masterc.../mcCompFaq.cfm

"Client website can no longer contain any specific price points, client website can only contain a price teaser, such as ?as low as $19.95? "

... Say what???

We mention our price in a lot of our advertising, this could be a real killer. Maybe its time to open a series of site whose names are the prices: 10bucksporn.com, 30bucksporn.com and 50bucksporn.com

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 03:55 PM

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Originally posted by NetRodent

We mention our price in a lot of our advertising, this could be a real killer. Maybe its time to open a series of site whose names are the prices: 10bucksporn.com, 30bucksporn.com and 50bucksporn.com

Go for it - not such a bad idea !

quiet · 07-23-2003, 03:57 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

I would assume that to be the case, I don't see why the rules would be different for iBill. The potential to lose rebilling for a year is very scary. I guess its time to do what MasterCard wants and get our own merchant account. Bleh!

so it is cb + refunds? that really sucks.

does anyone know the overall % of mastercard vs visa use in purchasing adult subscriptions?

i'm also wondering about rebills - it says if you aren't compliant by the 22nd, that you can no longer accept mastercard signs. but it doesn't say your mc rebills will be canned.

and i just love the shopping cart thing. NOT.

woodman · 07-23-2003, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

so it is cb + refunds? that really sucks.

does anyone know the overall % of mastercard vs visa use in purchasing adult subscriptions?

i'm also wondering about rebills - it says if you aren't compliant by the 22nd, that you can no longer accept mastercard signs. but it doesn't say your mc rebills will be canned.

my rep told me rebills are canned if you are not compliant.

shunga · 07-23-2003, 03:59 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Dravyk
From this page: http://www.ibill.com/support/masterc.../mcCompFaq.cfm

"Client website can no longer contain any specific price points, client website can only contain a price teaser, such as ?as low as $19.95? "

... Say what???

I think it's meant to reinforce that:

"iBill must be accurately identified by itself and all of its suppliers as the merchant"

This is a concern:

"iBill must permit and facilitate the purchase of multiple products (whether from one or multiple suppliers) in a single transaction"

Does that mean if a surfer signs up to four sites, it appears as a single transaction on his card? Therefore if he charges back, all four sales are lost?

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 04:02 PM

The Ibill system requires, when signing up for membership for you to go through a shopping mall.

So when I go to eat at Marios Pizza, and whip out the MC will I be presented with a full shopping experience? Or will I just buy my italian food and go home?

I'm not sure I need to see a full blown selection of products from Sears, JC Penney, Outback, Ling's Chinese Food, Pet World, and Stop And Shop when I buy Italian food.

It also requires one extra click than CC bill that one extra click could cost them a signifient amount of money over a year..

woodman · 07-23-2003, 04:05 PM

doesn't it only require the consumer to go through the mall if the choose continue shopping? I thought he said if they check out they are taken right to the pay page.

??

quiet · 07-23-2003, 04:06 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by shunga
This is a concern:

"iBill must permit and facilitate the purchase of multiple products (whether from one or multiple suppliers) in a single transaction"

Does that mean if a surfer signs up to four sites, it appears as a single transaction on his card? Therefore if he charges back, all four sales are lost?

excellent point!!

so if someone has a shit site that they also signup to (via this laughable shopcart), and the customer wants to cb that site, we would be included even though we have nothing to do with the second site - since both sites appear as a single lump charge?

jesus.

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 04:07 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by woodman
doesn't it only require the consumer to go through the mall if the choose continue shopping? I thought he said if they check out they are taken right to the pay page.

??

Did I miss this, can someone confirm this to be true..

HardProfits · 07-23-2003, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet

excellent point!!

so if someone has a shit site that they also signup to (via this laughable shopcart), and the customer wants to cb that site, we would be included even though we have nothing to do with the second site - since both sites appear as a single lump charge?

jesus.

These are all just issues that each and every IPSP must adhere to

iBill doesnt want this as much as you do

MasterCard wants it, and demands it to be so

quiet · 07-23-2003, 04:09 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Resolute

Did I miss this, can someone confirm this to be true..

i believe so. it says something like, 'would you like to continue shopping'

here is a run through of a purchase:

http://www.ibill.com/support/mastercard/Portal.swf

woodman · 07-23-2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Resolute

Did I miss this, can someone confirm this to be true..

http://www.webcastgroup.com/slidesh...ages/Slide6.gif

This is where I got it. The checkout button takes you right to the pay page and from what was said the continue shopping option is just an option...does not look mandatory

quiet · 07-23-2003, 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by HardProfits

These are all just issues that each and every IPSP must adhere to

iBill doesnt want this as much as you do

MasterCard wants it, and demands it to be so

and? i think we all know this.

NetRodent · 07-23-2003, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by quiet
does anyone know the overall % of mastercard vs visa use in purchasing adult subscriptions?

I've heard that overall usage (not just adult online) Mastercard is around 22%, Visa 70% and Discover/Amex/other is 8%.

quiet · 07-23-2003, 04:14 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

I've heard that overall usage (not just adult online) Mastercard is around 22%, Visa 70% and Discover/Amex/other is 8%.

hmm

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 04:17 PM

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Originally posted by quiet

hmm

Really that huge !

HardProfits · 07-23-2003, 04:21 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

I've heard that overall usage (not just adult online) Mastercard is around 22%, Visa 70% and Discover/Amex/other is 8%.

I will second that hmmm.

NETbilling · 07-23-2003, 04:27 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

I would assume that to be the case, I don't see why the rules would be different for iBill. The potential to lose rebilling for a year is very scary. I guess its time to do what MasterCard wants and get our own merchant account. Bleh!

Feel free to contact Netbilling to get that merchant account started. There will be no shopping mall and you can surely specify your prices on your sites and advertising as well as display the Mastercard logo. Netbilling can handle all of your customer service, check processing and fraud scrubbing as well.

Interested?

Toll Free within the US: (888)357-8166
Outside the US: (661)252-2456

Thank you, Mitch Farber

NetRodent · 07-23-2003, 04:29 PM

Speak of the devil. I was just going to post that it was about time for Mitch to be making the rounds.

We may be in contact with you again shortly. There really seems to be less and less reason to use an IPSP these days.

Kimmykim · 07-23-2003, 04:31 PM

Each processor was allowed to create a solution within a set of guidelines so they will not all be identical.

At this point I would think the solution to the problem is obvious.

Pre-qualify your traffic and send them to the best processor for a certain type of transaction.

Kimmykim · 07-23-2003, 04:32 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent

I've heard that overall usage (not just adult online) Mastercard is around 22%, Visa 70% and Discover/Amex/other is 8%.

Mastercard gains ground daily with US clients since it is now holds the rank of most new cards issued daily with the brand logo.

Dawgy · 07-23-2003, 04:34 PM

Quote:

From this page: http://www.ibill.com/support/master...q/mcCompFaq.cfm

"Client website can no longer contain any specific price points, client website can only contain a price teaser, such as ?as low as $19.95? "

what the hell... so we aren't supposed to tell people the price of the memberships? doesnt telling the price HELP conversions & HELP reduce chargebacks, etc?

and why does ibill say this, but not ccbill?

Resolute · 07-23-2003, 04:36 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim

Mastercard gains ground daily with US clients since it is now holds the rank of most new cards issued daily with the brand logo.

Interesting I would of thought it was Visa

Dravyk · 07-23-2003, 04:43 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Kimmykim
Pre-qualify your traffic and send them to the best processor for a certain type of transaction.

Exactly. Prequalify! Which is why iBill saying "client website can no longer contain any specific price points" seems a rather moronic and regressive requirement to demand.

Kimmykim · 07-23-2003, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by Resolute

Interesting I would of thought it was Visa

Used to be until Citibank went MC after their contract with Visa was up.

NETbilling · 07-23-2003, 04:55 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by NetRodent
Speak of the devil. I was just going to post that it was about time for Mitch to be making the rounds.

We may be in contact with you again shortly. There really seems to be less and less reason to use an IPSP these days.

Here I am: :-) Contact us whenver you are ready.

Kimmy is correct about Mastercard branding. They have made a huge martketing effort over the past few years and are gaining good market share.

Mitch

funkmaster · 07-23-2003, 04:57 PM

I count 12 different nicks in this thread, I am amazed that ibill still has that many clients ...

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Probono Confirmed User Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Under the Rainbow Posts: 2,731	They did not answer my question as to whether refunds + chargeback need to be under 1% (What Epoch has stated) if I used an IPSP and did rebilling I would be terrified that if the IPSP exceeds 1% for 2 months I would not be able to rebill for one year! Your business is truely in their hands now.

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Dravyk Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Yo, Philly! Posts: 1,202	From this page: http://www.ibill.com/support/masterc.../mcCompFaq.cfm "Client website can no longer contain any specific price points, client website can only contain a price teaser, such as ?as low as $19.95? " ... Say what??? __________________ All Of 'Em

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Rich So Fucking Banned Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 11,486	Ibill has employees?

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imageman Confirmed User Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,938	Fucking amazing waste of time, didnt answer any questions about chargebacks web 900 what these changes will do to cut down on charge backs. Its all a fraud.

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Resolute Confirmed User Join Date: Feb 2003 Posts: 1,143	The Ibill system requires, when signing up for membership for you to go through a shopping mall. So when I go to eat at Marios Pizza, and whip out the MC will I be presented with a full shopping experience? Or will I just buy my italian food and go home? I'm not sure I need to see a full blown selection of products from Sears, JC Penney, Outback, Ling's Chinese Food, Pet World, and Stop And Shop when I buy Italian food. It also requires one extra click than CC bill that one extra click could cost them a signifient amount of money over a year.. __________________ [email protected] ICQ 325624405

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woodman Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 433	doesn't it only require the consumer to go through the mall if the choose continue shopping? I thought he said if they check out they are taken right to the pay page. ??

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NetRodent Confirmed User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: In the walls of your house. Posts: 3,985	Speak of the devil. I was just going to post that it was about time for Mitch to be making the rounds. We may be in contact with you again shortly. There really seems to be less and less reason to use an IPSP these days. __________________ "Every normal man must be tempted, at times, to spit on his hands, hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats." --H.L. Mencken

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funkmaster So Fucking Banned Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: shell beach Posts: 7,938	I count 12 different nicks in this thread, I am amazed that ibill still has that many clients ...