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'Things were better in the bad old days'

December 11 2002 at 04:35PM

By Andrew Quinn

Most South Africans, both black and white, believe the country was better run under apartheid and say unemployment and crime are the government's top challenges, according to two new polls released this week.

The polls, part of the "Afrobarometer" series of public opinion surveys, found South Africans had generally positive assessments of how their country was governed, and were growing increasingly optimistic about the future.

But they also revealed a growing sense of "apartheid nostalgia" as South Africa grapples with high crime rates, increasing corruption and rising joblessness following the end of white rule in 1994.

'They moan and grumble about all its faults'
"It's not that they want to return to apartheid, but in retrospect it was a time when trains ran on time," said poll director Robert Mattes on Wednesday.

"It was a harsh, repressive, but seemingly efficient government."

Overall, the polls showed that about 60 percent of South Africans felt the country was better run under apartheid, ...................

http://www.iol.co.za/index.php?news...29B216&set_id=1

Got to agree with Gutterboy on this one!

Sounds like you want to see this happening??? :uhoh

Yes, as I hope it will prove a good example for the West. Perhaps those in Europe can learn from South Africa's example, and realise that Black's cannot manage a first world country! Upon realising, perhaps Europeans will secure their own future by restricting immigration.

If blacks, arabs, and hispanics take rule of the West (which is predicted to happen within 100 years - 50 years in America and Britian) it will be the end of Western Civilisation as we know it. You have to ask yourself; do you think it is a good idea for Europeans to become a minority in Europe? I don't!

Some of it has had a negative impact on US "soft power" and some has had a positive effect on US "soft power". There is cooperation between the US and many countries both informally and formally on terrorism. The US is the leader in anti-terrorism efforts in the world.

Like anything else political, such things will have both negative and positive effects and different people will interpret them as such. It is no surprise that you can find some things negative according to the Wide World of Webby. No doubt an al-Qaeda member would point out some negatives also.

But hell, one point from Webby is like receiving a pardon in the state of Texas. I'll take it and wear it with glowing pride. I must have done something right today to deserve such an honor. :winkwink:

For some of you that probably don't know much about history, it's the U-S and U-K that created alot of problems in Africa, in one way atleast when they redrew a lot of borders, putting traditional enemies into the same border and into a unified nation when there should have been several seperate sovereign states, but i'm sure you really don't give a shit about that :-)

You're slacking, slackologist. ;-)

It was European powers that carved up Africa.

The 19th century colonial powers in Africa included Britian, France, Belgium, Holland, Portugal, Italy, Germany, and Spain. Before World War II, there were hardly any independent states in Africa at all. They were all colonies.

Yes it is the White mans fault the Black man cannot succeed. Never forget that!

What will it take? The failure of Zimbabwe was not enough, so how about the failure of South Africa? Will that make you realise? Or perhaps it will take the fall of Amerika, once they have taken control, to make you realise?

I only hope enough people will realise before it is to late. If European nations (like the trend is suggestion) start becoming Islamic, and African majorities, the Great Depression might start looking like a holiday.

heheh.. I know.. but the state those areas were left in was not helpful just the same.

In a way the US is the world's police. Protect and serve America's interest. We watch all the bullshit on the tube that has this nation sooooo fucking brainwashed, all the lies and mind games.
We act if it's in our interests not if it's the right thing to do.

As for the bullshit in Africa, what do you expect, its a nation that has been raped and exploited all through history while the world just stood by and did nothing. Yeah we see "W' over there lately, the media once again is painting a pretty humanitarian picture of him, I guess to save face from the Iraq blunder, but we know there's more to it, but we don't want to think it. He's the President of the United States and he's always right. Wake up people, free your mind you're trapped in the Matrix.

Great post 404, " we, us, them" it's the shit programming the media pushes that has most individuals in this country fucked up mentally. America may be the greatest country from a military and economic standpoint, but what about as a people. The only time I see Americans considering themselves as Americans, not Asian American, African American or whatever is when we're scared or at war.

I saw the documentary Bowling for Columbine yesterday. Things that make you go hmmmm .......

amp, put down the crackpipe. america IS the worlds police, and Gee Dubya is our mayor!

Dear impotent, the US is not interested in the dopey things YOU are interested in.
We don't give a fuck about the people of Afghanistan OR Iraq, we just mouth the words to make the silly little countries you live in go along with what we want.
We decided for our own defense, that it was time to conquer both countries. Mission accomplished.
sorry you don't like it but no one gives a fuck what you like.:winkwink:
kinda like the rest of your life.

I was going to rip your post apart piece by piece but it was easier to just point out 2 of your thoughts in the same post and laugh.

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So where's the humor in my post sweetheart? You seem to be the only one laughing.

I can answer that. Because you mention "brainwashed" and "lies" and then mention Bowling for Columbine which is created by Michael Moore who is as partisan as Rush Limbaugh. There is faux footage in the "documentary" which will probably fool a lot of people. Some might even call that "lies".

guilty :)

don't assume someone doesn't have the time to spell it out for you. someone always does. :winkwink:

gotcha sweetheart :)

I have a lot of respect for the US soldiers who put their lives on the line when their country asked them to.. I have 0 fucking respect for the government that needlessly throws those valiant soldiers lives away on things that aren't their concern in the first place. It's like a busybody mother in law.

Respect for soldiers and not for the government. Then you are very similar to most American citizens in that respect. Since the 1950's respect for almost all government institutions in the US has decreased. The military is one exception. The postal service is another. It is actually the 1950s that were high in government trust more than that people trust the government less now. Trust in government institutions was very low during the founding of the country and still very low in the late 1800's (Gilded Age).

Powerful nations have always acted thus. Why do you expect the US to act differently?

100 Bitches:glugglug

That is got to be one of the MOST ridiculous things I have ever read! What the hell does colour have to do with it?

Have to agree with you there.

What the hell does colour have to do with a 100m sprint? Yet Blacks always win, don't they!

Perhaps it is because White's are oppressed, or perhaps it is because race, as well as culture, defines a fair degree of ones character/ability?

Blacks can catch a football and win a race, White's can effectively maintain a higher degree of civilisation. Racist? No, Proven fact? Yes!

Riiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight! You sir are in need some serious edumacation! That or half decent cable!

lol, I guess you are right. I am sorry for using my brain, and I promise to use CBS in the future to find out what I should be thinking.

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Then explain the Arabs. Dominated science and were militarily powerful for 1000 years. What happened?

What happened to Europeans in that time?

Such differences are more explainable by successful cultural paradigms than race.

You might have a point about sprinting but even that is subject to intense debate.

Well your not using it anyway....where are these cold hard/scientific facts coming from? You seem to be pulling them out of your ass!

As for cable, it was meant so that you could watch a sprint race from time to time and see that "blacks" don't always win.

As you will notice when comparing racial differences I chose Negroes rather than Arabs.

I believe that Arab culture/religion is largely the reason to their failure, despite their wealth, in todays world. I state that Arabs could not lead the West because todays Arabs are a result of such culture.

On the other hand, I honestly do not believe Negroes have the capability to control an advanced nation by themselves.

Zimbabwe was handed to them on a plate, as was South Africa, and today Zimbabwe ... (no need to explain) and South Africa is well and truely on the slide.

I see you do not disagree with me when it comes to Black superiority, but when it comes to Whites being superior to Blacks in certain regards ...

Simple.. in the most generous estimation, the average negro IQ is a full standard deviation (around 15pts) below the average white IQ. Not only that, but if you look at the distribution curve for negro IQ's, you find not a curve, but a sort of lump, with the flattest portion towards the high end.

In English that means that not only do blacks have a lower IQ, they are *far* less likely by proportion to break the average and enter the high IQ realms (120+) than Jews, Asians, and caucasians.

That is just American blacks by the way... and they average 25% white blood. Some studies on African negroes show that their average IQ is even lower.. down near 80pts, which is barely above the legal US definition of retarded.

Quick, name your favorite African philosopher!

I didn't think so.

Now you know why.

Huh? Arabs are caucasoid.

I have read many scientific facts which state such things as Blacks arms being longer (the reason they are good boxers), and various other things regarding Brain size, etc.

If I wanted to waste my time finding, and posting them to a bunch of people whose opinions will not change I would. However, I do not wish to waste such time finding such things again.

This is not a sign of weakness, just a sign of tiredness - it is 2AM, perhaps some I will make a thread some other time.

*EDIT: READ GUTTERBOYS POST*

Sure, at a local meet a White kid might come out on top, but have you ever watched an Olympic final?

And you get your information from what? The monthly KKK meetings?

Please do a search for African philosopher's and you will find that there are plenty.

lol, thanks for spending the time to reply with the relevent information.

Use some of your own advice and do a search for African IQs.

They are suffocating in religious ignorance. Mixing religion and rule will halt progress.

2003 + religion = selfinflicted hardship.

I haven't read the entire thread so I apologise if this has been asked before.

Amp, as a Veteran of the US military, how do you feel about the USA's involvement in foreign conflicts of recent years? I don't mean the recent Afghanistan/Al-Queda stuff, but other stuff like Bosnia, Serbia, etc. Why has the US gone marching into conflicts not in direct (or even indirect) endangerment of the USA itself? Do you feel intervention like this (including Vietnam and Korea really) is justified?

Only wondering what a Gulf Veteran like yourself feels about this.

Really? So tell me.. what were black Africans contributions during the time of Plato, Aristotle, Descartes, Kant, Hegel.. and any other great phillosopher (or great military leader, linguist, astronomer, inventor, scientist etc. ) you can name? Zip. Zilch. Nada.

Assuming, as you contend, that black Aficans did produce philosophers, why were they too stupid to invent a written language in which to codify their discoveries? Why has the entirety of sub-saharan Africa been void of written language from the beginning of time.. until the white man showed them how?

It is true that some negroes who have been brought over from Africa and immersed in white culture have been able to benefit from the white mans largesse. They have recieved modern medical care, clean water, language, history, and mathematical instruction, decent jobs -- things all invented by white people. But they, by far, are the exception.

Whine all you want, call me a racist, KKK lunatic all you want, but the judgement of history is as clear on this subject as it possibly can be. To wit: the negro, left to it own devices, cannot govern itself or invent anything worthwhile.

All you need to do to confirm this is look at the "history" of sub-saharan Africa.

While we're on this subject, answer me one more question: Why do you think American afro-centrist "scholars" have tried so desperately to appropriate Egyptian culture & history as their own?

Its because -- beyond cannibalism, huts made of shit, and marathon running -- the negroid has no culture or history of its own to be proud of.

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So true!!

You seem like a smart, descent bloke, so if you ever feel like a chat , you can catch me on ICQ: 344709237!

Did I say otherwise?

And what were the contributions in Germany or England during the times of Plato and Aristotle?

The Chinese would have thought the same thing of Europeans in the 1300s. The Europeans caught up.

Different cultures can be ahead or behind others technologically/culturally at different times without it saying anything about the people themselves.