They are one and the same at the end of the day, let's not forget.

they are adult friendly! just click on shopping directory->erotic

and yes, I'm receiving $ thru moneybookers!

Thanks flashfreak :)

Ah, now the truth is revealed. ;)

My Visa card sends me checks every quarter. I can use them and I get charged nothing as long as my bill is paid in full each month, if I don't pay it off and use those checks.... a charge will show up, but they do come in handy in a bind.

am I missing smth? YES, I'm using them... so what's wrong with it?
I understand you're pissed off now.. but relax.. it's sunday morning

??damn... cost of microchipping animals here in UK

(we had our kitten done last week)

= £15 ($24)


$150 sounds expensive :mad:

You really are stuborn!

At the end of the day, I do not have sexual regulations with my girlfriend but sexual relations .

Quite different in my opinion .....

And talking about truth revealed, come on now....

PS: I did use Paypal, don't use Epassport, Stormpay or Moneybrokers or any similar system. I have no interest in promoting or bashing any of them, contrary to you.

Step back, take a look in the mirror and tell me if you really think you have what it takes to piss me off. ;)

Now look under the bed and see if your sense of humor is hiding beneath it, since apparently my sarcasm escaped with it.

Of course I am stubborn and I've never hidden anything... ok maybe that one time when I was in high school but I really did think it was a salami, the guy was Italian ;)

At the end of the day in this business, just following the regulations will get you nowhere with the cc companies if you do not have the right relationship with them. Why would you not want to be more than just compliant but to have them approve of your system?

I like epassporte - been using it for a few months right now and only had a small glitch or two that got worked out right away.

Up here in Toronto I can withdraw $500.00 Canadian per day - that has to do with the atm machines not epassporte.

The only problems I see are the reluctance of every retail outlet I have tried so far to accept the electron card as a regular debit card, the debit machines never have a credit card option - always savings or chequing only - but I imagine that this will change with time. Another problem is that of many online companies still not accepting the virtual visa card - such companies as pay pal and many adult sites - also I cannot send money by Wester Union online due to the fact that the card has not been issued locally.

Those small problems aside I have to say I dont mind in the least being charged 1.99 to have my account loaded every week and having the opportunity to withdraw funds from anywhere I wish.

And as far as charging consumers - well I guess that's the price of doing business, if you can find something cheaper that you have confidence in - go for it.

If you could only make the actually electron card a little better, such as having the numbers raised - they rub of very easily and I'm thinking that I might have trouble at the atm one day because the magnetic strip is starting to get erased.

Paypal won't allow the Virtual Visa to load unfortunately, it goes against what little fraud control they do have :( I wish it were otherwise but there's nothing we can do on our side to make it work, we've tried and it's just not going to happen anytime soon. Of course I don't blame them, there's no point in helping the competition at the end of the day.

One of the things we have realized is that in areas such as Canada, where the PIN transaction for debit isn't a standard like it is in the US, we have issues, since that basically relegates the use of the card to the ATM only. I'll have some things to announce in the coming weeks regarding this situation I believe, and you should really like it.

There are countless things to work out in any system and without feedback nothing ever changes. Some of you guys think that I mind (or the rest of the staff minds) your criticisms but really it's just the opposite. Of course things aren't always going to go the way you want, heck they don't always go the way I want... but I'd rather get a chance to see what's in your minds and perhaps debate it a bit, than never hear anything bad or critical :)

Thanks KK - alwways good to hear something good is coming down the line - still for me the best way I have used to get paid.

it's all about the fees... some are decent, some are outrageous (otherwise this thread wouldn't exist).

same service different fees...nothing less, nothing more...

Great. I can't use your moneybookers. There's no way for a finn to withdraw money.

Wait a minute, that would mean it wasn't the same service?

You are 100% correct.

are you sure? how did you figure it?

International Bank transfer, withdraw funds Eur 1.80
International USD, EUR, GBP cheques : Eur 3,5

cheers
FF

Epassporte doesn't suck.

Actually, I was rather diappointed by them a few weeks ago because they made a complete mess out of my application for an electron card :) I won't go into details but I am sure it was a unique situation :)

However, they sorted it our pretty soon thanks to KK and Marc.

Don't forget that it's a new service that has just started and I am sure that we are yet to see it grow and become better.

:thumbsup they're new! lets pay their fees to see them growing...

100 dollah fees!

101 for you baby ;)

All I can say is that ePassporte has a really cool ad running right now with a really hot chick in it!

:winkwink:

I love it when u talk durttty after darkie ;)))

Hey it's broad daylight here ;)

Don't like them - don't use them - don't pay their fees.

It's that simple :)

But I'm sure more and more people will get an account with Epassporte. They have simple procedures, they have the Epoch muscles behind them and they DO have the desire to suit the needs of anyone out there who needs money transfered to another person.

I like epassporte and just received my electron card on Friday :thumbsup

Hot and smart, the perfect combination for a lady :Graucho

i'm waiting for my electron too. :Graucho

I still do not understand though. I have to go to the trouble of verifying my account with these services - epassport, stormpay or any of the rest of them - so that they know that it is a valid account and I am not trying to commit fraud. Why in the hell am I getting charged such an outrageous amount to transfer money from my bank account to load my accounts with these companies.

That would be like sending a payment in on your Visa card and having to add 10% to your payment total just for sending a payment.

And just out of curiosity. If I put say $500 in my account with any of these companies and it sits there a month or two. Does the company that I have the account with draw interest on that?

I can understand charging me to transfer that money into my bank account (which paypal didn't) and I can understand a charge at an ATM and I can understand a charge on the merchant end for receiving payment (as it would be if you used a card in any store) but I for one am not going to use a service that charges me to put my money in an account.

If moneybookers does not charge me to put money in an account then I would definately go for that type of service over any others. I for one though will continue to use my paypal account.

currently I can use my electron card for atm withdrawls but not purchases..

moneybookers, upload money:
- international bank transfer - FREE
- visa, mc : 3%
- e-gold - FREE

withdraw money:
- international bank transfer - EUR 1.8
- USD, EUR, GBR cheque - EUR 3.5
- e-gold - 4%

send money:
1% up to EUR 0.5

receive money:
FREE

...just make sure you can actually withdraw money from your moneybookers account. I, for example, can't.:2 cents:

I did it few times.
I can in Romania and you can't in Finland? I doubt it..

Um hello sweetie, sorry to bring you up to 2002, but Paypal doesnt do adult and galleries don't click thru at 30-40%...

Loading commercial accounts, which imo is the BEST place for money to initiate its trip thru the system costs the sponsor the amount of the wire transfer. Period.

There's no listed method of receiving payment. There's the finnish flag, sending money fees.. but no method of receiving.

at least there are no taxes.

?
Where I live you pay taxes on everything you earn :(

According to their site "ALL Countries" can upload cash via Visa, Mastercard, bank transfer or e-gold and "ALL Countries" can witdraw cash via bank transfer, cheque or e-gold. Look here at the top of the table:

http://www.moneybookers.com/app/help.pl?s=fees

Finland is a country isn't it? :winkwink:

Why isnt' there a method listed next to the finnish flag then?