BossHawg

With the title said...I DONT think that is a good sign IMO

CECash uses Jettis, FlyntDigital uses Jettis, and I have heard no word from WEG if they are lowering payouts, but they also DO use Jettis...

Almost all sponsors using Epoch have announced some sort of payout change as will myself in the coming weeks...still running numbers but should have an announcement soon!

My point being if Jettis continues to allow anything goes over the next month or two, I have concerns that when October rolls around shit may not be pretty for them in terms of chargebacks due to the possible influx in business the above programs may get in the next few months...

Any other thoughts on the notion that almost ALL sponsors who have jettis at primary are sticking to their payout levels or raising them? could lead to a cb problem down the road IMO

Just to be clear I am not bashing Jettis...Just concerned...I use Jettis some as well and their stats area is by far the best amongst all processors..

fantasyman

Bosshawg you are unbelievable with your concern. You are bashing Jettis in this self serving post. It's folks like you that caused the problems Epoch has.

Remember the program you opened last month, the one that had a Free Trial sign up with two radial buttons already clicked off for cross sales and then a third forced cross sale with no diclosure?

If you don't remember I'll jog your memory http://gofuckyourself.com/showthread...ght=bossha wg

I told you in that thread that you can't charge a consumer 4 times for $160 and expect your processing to not have extreme problems.

Now you come here and show concern for Jettis. Jettis is doing just fine because they would never allow anyone to use the billing methods that you, yourself have employed along with many others. It's programs like yours that have caused these changes in Epoch'sprocessing.

Snake Doctor

Hmmmm....FM processes with Jettis.....Fm said yesterday that CE processes offshore so the 1% rule doesn't apply to them.

I'm guessing Jettis is settling offshore and under the guidelines of VISA international and not VISA USA, so their clients only have to be under 2.5%??

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Interesting information both ways.

By the looks of things Jettis has a firm strategy for dealing with the new Visa regulations, in addition CE Cash, Hustler (and I assume Cash Quest, Vivid and Max Cash) are taking a different strategy in dealing with their programs and keeping them competitive.

Those are pretty innovative companies, and these regulations weren't the "shock." Everyone's behavior would lead a casual observer to believe.

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BradShaw

CE is using Jettis? Bad sign. Look back over history.


If anyone can break the tradition of processors that CE uses going tits up, it is Ken though.

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BRISK

Yup, could be a good one.

Let the smack talkin begin!

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Mike AI

Jettis has always done a great job, since day one. I am their biggest fan!

However I am troubled that they have taken CE's account. I hope Jettis is maintaing the integrity of their product, not selling out for the quick buck, and not damaging their business.

I guess I will have to try and set up a meeting and find out first hand what is going on.

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This will be interesting...

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BossHawg

FM...You keep claiming I am part of the problem, but look at the other program you are BACKING up porndollar.com..You hype them in EVERY newsletter you send out bla bla bla

Go to THEIR join page:
http://hardsucked.com/cgi-bin/join.cgi?p=&wm=
just click "See The Movies Now"

Both cross sales pre-checked
* Cherry Drops - 30 Minute Preview - There is NO CHARGE for the initial 30 minute preview.After the preview, you will receive a 1 day trial membership for only $9.95 (unless cancelled). After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.
* Club Whip - 30 Minute Free Preview - There is NO CHARGE for the initial 30 minute preview.After the preview, you will receive a 1 day trial membership for only $9.95 (unless cancelled). After 1 day, Membership renews automatically at $39.95 every 1 month.

They give the customer 30 minutes to cancel or else be billed $20..but NO that aint part of the problem...

And in your previous thread with me I was sick of dealing with you..BUT you kep claming no diclosure BUT if you clicked the button to continue you would HAVE seen FULL disclosure, etc.. You would NOT have been billed by simply clicking the button..

You must feel threatened by me..you come in all threads I post in..

I was posting a concern that was all..and a valid one at that!!

You used WSB for a while, a good time back and look where WSB is!

SleazyDream

every once in a while I get this disgusting feeling all over and find myself agreeing with brad shaw. Thank God it doesn't happen too often..........

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TheFLY

Maybe you had a gay moment.

BradShaw

Lets just hope Ron (oops ron no longer owns ce, uh right) did not take a cc database with him from processor to processor like the good ole days.

Is it true that Ron is named on a short Visa list of individuals that are not allowed to process with Visa due to past extreme CB issues?

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BossHawg

FM...HawgsCash and LoverCash have only been around a solid 8 months since I started pushing them HARD but if you think in those 8 months I caused all these problems you give me WAY TOO much credit. I am a small fish in this game...

Also I saw after our last big piss I noticed the cross sale gone:
http://www.mainentrypoint.com/cgi-bi...bererotica.com
If it was so UP FRONT and honest as you noted in the previous thread, why remove it?

MikeAI...dont get me wrong..I like Jettis...I would think though with the current VISA changes, Jettis would make some type of changes or limitations on billing practices...but maybe they are way under 1% and can continue doing business as usual..

Also ALL companies are talking about $39.95 being too much monthly, so lowering them to $29.95...while FM has his price point at $49.95..that monthly price cant be good for chargebacks IMO!

Mike AI

BH I am on the same page with this. One of the things I always liked about Jettis is they were the most conservative processor. Which is something I thought would help them be around for a long time.

Ken and Kjell are very smart people, and they have never steered me wrong.

I hope to meet with them next week and find out what is going on, what their outlook is on the industry, billing models, etc....

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That solution went tits up, NEXT. Ron lines them up at the door, as a favor to the owner.

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Sausage

I loved Jettis and CCbill before I ran my own program. Now I only use Jettis, and things are going great ! Don't know what the beef is with them, but we do fucking awesome with Jettis !

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bignosejimmy

Anyone remember DMR? I lost a good $30,000/month in rebills with their site when all that shit went down

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I lost close to what you did with DMR. I still have their Christmas photos of the staff they sent to me.

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The problems really are:

1) Free CrossBills
2) Free Crossbills already checked off
3) Automatic Crossbilling without ability to not be crossbilled (A lot of AVSes do this)
4) Rebill info in small print below the submit button.

Get rid of those, and free trials would still be at all processors. Let the surfer know they will be rebilled at the top of the screen. Don't put it below the submit button.
ZoiNk

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thefreakybeaver

does dollarmachine and gigacash also use jettis as their main processor? Just curious

BradShaw

gigacash is with epoch I believe, they use same model we do. Python is with Epoch, and others as well. I suspect they will move back to merhant account game shortly. David is probobly in some 3rd world country now meeting with banks;-)

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And dollarmachine and gigacash only pay what we are lowering to. So its just smoke and mirrors that they arent lowering..

easyfun

Why did DMR go down? Ask CE. The main reason was CE's Free trial - Which wasn't a free trial at all - You signed up for a free trial but was charged for a month right away - .
Dmr paid the price for CE's ethics.
Even yesterday, CE admitted a trial of (X) was billed at 49 Bucks.
For hell's sake - A trial costing free or X should reflect free or X on the consumers' cc statement.
Fuck all webmasters who want to screw the system - And several are really showing their ugly faces now - All you are doing is fucking the customer, and putting him off joining other sites after leaving yours - Because the consumer now believes every site is a complete fucking scam!

Close all free trials now!
Get this fucking industry regulated right now!
If not -
Visa will FUCK you in the end - Hopefully sooner rather than later.

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Hell Yes. Wrote that loss off long ago. Fucking selling webmasters snake oil bs at the end.

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spooky181

Do any of the big sponsors use Verotel to process their transactions?

Thanks Spooky

easyfun

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BlackCrayon

is there something wrong with verotel? i don't know of any big sponsors who use them, but its probably better that way...

Ambergirl

Wow, I haven't heard "DMR" in a long time. They were my first and main processor for years ("mine" meaning my own sites...not WQ's or Hustler's) - and we did very well with them.

Luckily, I started weeding my business away from DMR a good year before they went under so I didn't have to experience any big losses.

Those of us that have been in the industry for a while and keep our ears to the ground know that you can project, fairly accurately, what's coming down the line.

It was really sad too because so many people lost their shirts...and personally, I really liked the DMR crew.

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SunTzu

Only the biggest... Well either Verotel or WSB.

Jon2

This is interesting

Jon

pimplink

Huh? Gigacash pays $42.... unless this has changed?

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fantasyman

This is far from the truth. DMR was the company that handled the free trial wrong because they didn't know how to do a pre-auth, CE had no input in the matter.

Once CE got away from DMR and wrote their own sign up engine the Free Trial was handled properly. DMR cost CE $2.1 dollars - we had to pay them that much for them to release our database.

I find it funny how people have such convenient memory lapses, but say what you will, we're used to folks who compete with us spinning these stories.

The bottomline is we're not making any changes to our programs and yes we're even looking at raising our Webmaster payouts, and yes we're trying to get more business. I can't believe Webmaster have a problem with making more money. Just shows you can never make everyone happy, but from what we are seeing in business increase in the last few days, some Webmasters really appreciate it.

It's funny how folks who were paying out up to $70 a sign up are now faulting us when we try to take advantage of the current events in the industry.

CECash is trying to increase it's business, is there something wrong with that?

CECash has been around since the beginning ansd isn't going anywhere but up.

We have paid Webmasters 100's of millions of dollars, but I guess that doesn't count for anything.

Have a great weekend everyone!!

Rich

In case anyone hasn't read this, here's a bit of what the FTC has to say about Ron Levi and CE:


"10. Respondents' Internet sites instruct consumers to participate in the "free" membership offer by "clicking" hypertext links that state "100% Free Membership Click Here!" or "Next." Consumers who click on the hypertext links are taken to registration screens. The registration screens instruct consumers to provide identifying information and a credit card number to verify that they are of legal age to access and view adult images, prompt consumers to select a user name and password for access to the online programs, and provide details about the terms and conditions of the free membership. The registration screens associated with Respondents' Internet sites contain statements that include, but are not limited to:

You are joining us for 1 Week Membership - Free!!!

* * *

By clicking on the submit button, you are agreeing to the following:

I have read and agree to the TERMS and CONDITIONS of Membership.

* * *

Free trial membership renews at monthly rates unless canceled within 7 days;

and

Complete this form to become a member of CyberErotica.

You are joining us for 1 Week Membership -- FREE! If you choose to remain a member beyond the Trial period, your membership will renew at $34.95/month until cancelled.

11. Through the means described in Paragraphs 9 and 10, Respondents have represented, expressly or by implication, that they will not charge membership fees to consumers who cancel their free trial memberships within seven days of providing credit or debit card information and agreeing to participate in the free trial membership offers.

12. In truth and in fact, Respondents have:

a. immediately charged consumers' credit or debit cards for one month's membership fee effective as of the date that the consumers first provided credit or debit card information and agreed to participate in the free trial membership offers; and

b. in numerous instances, charged monthly membership fees to consumers who canceled within seven days of agreeing to participate in the free trial membership offers. "



So FM, you seem to show up in his posts and bitch about what he's doing all the time. You're saying BossHawg's cross bills caused this entire problem?

TheJimmy

zactly....


the pot calling the kettle what?


hmmm....




good pissing post though to get some free advert exposure to their programs

on that

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the one with the highest payout that I can actualy get signups with will get my traffic, and I dont care who they process with

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Hardcore J

Until their processor goes tits up and you don't get paid.

RRRED

My icq has been lit up like a Xmas tree regarding Jettis. Ken and/or Kjell will make a statement soon but in the meantime if you want more info about using Jettis as your processor, I'd be glad to hook you up with the right people over there that can answer all of your questions.


OH and FYI, Kjell and his lovely wife gave birth to their first child yesterday. A healthy baby boy. Congratulations Kjell!

Jon2

Totally off topic...

But your title intrigues me...

And your location

Jon

Mike AI

RRRed make sure you pass on congradulations to Kjell and his wife!

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I love Jettis

I love Ken

I felt I should make that clear..


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Will do, Mike! Sooooo are you going to be reproducing anytime soon?

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I have been doing a lot of practice lately....

Seriously Katie is still 21, we want to enjoy not having family responsibilities right now. Though I am ready whenever she is...

I told her I do not want to be an old man chasing kids around ( you know, like Kjell! haha )

So maybe 3-4 years from now...

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Jettis is golden nothing but good things to say about them! Congrats on the new baby jettis crew

Pornkings

I don't understand why you think surfers are idiots if they know how to charge back I'm sure they would know how to read fine print.

everyone knows that nothing is free in life.

Just about everything you purchase has fine print.

the bottom line is surfers know how to get it free. and they know they can charge back and not be liable for it.

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